1. #6001
    Quote Originally Posted by Belize View Post
    So what the fuck is Garland doing with all this?

    How the fuck has the DOJ not stepped in and forcefully removed literal, actual traitors from their cushy government positions. It's about high time these GOP shitfucks need to be put on trial.
    DOJ investigations are separate, but Garland is getting transcripts from the committee. I'm equally frustrated he's done nothing but...there is some possible merit to the argument that the committee could investigate avenues the DOJ would have found very challenging to go down, allowing them to focus on their investigation with the expectation that information uncovered by this committee could be included in their investigation as additional evidence or give them a much easier time of pursuing new avenues.

    We'll just have to see if the "long-game" that Democrats appear to be playing here pays off.

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    https://thehill.com/homenews/house/3...e-upside-down/

    Moss appeared before the Jan. 6 committee and fought back tears as she talked about how the harassment campaign against her upended her life in the weeks after the 2020 election.

    “It’s turned my life upside down. I no longer give out my business card. I don’t transfer calls. I don’t want anyone knowing my name,” Moss testified at Tuesday’s hearing. “I don’t go anywhere with my mom. I don’t go to the grocery store at all. I haven’t been anywhere at all. I’ve gained about 60 pounds.”

    “I don’t do nothing anymore. I don’t want to go anywhere. I second guess everything I do. It’s affected my life in a major way. In every way. All because of lies,” Moss continued.
    Shaye Freeman Moss, a GA election worker who was singled out with her mother, Ruby Freeman, by Rudy Giuliani over baseless claims that they were passing a USB-stick used to alter votes. It was a breath mint.

    The abuse and harassment that she has faced since then is pretty vile and disgusting. And her mother as well -

    Moss’s mother, Ruby Freeman, told the committee in private testimony aired Tuesday that her life had changed as well. She was conscious of using her full name and concerned about who might hear if she were out at the grocery store.

    Do you know how it feels to have the President of the United States target you?” Freeman said in her deposition. “The president of the United States is supposed to represent every American, not to target one.
    Just another reminder of the real harm being caused by these anti-democratic, unhinged authoritarian nutters in the Republican party.

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    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/p...uest?_amp=true

    Republican National Committee Chairwoman Ronna McDaniel confirmed that former President Donald Trump was involved in lawyer John Eastman's fake elector scheme.

    During a brief excerpt from her deposition played during the Jan. 6 committee hearing Tuesday, McDaniel explained that Trump called her and put her in touch with Eastman, who then engaged with the RNC about the scheme over the following months.

    "He turned the call over to Mr. Eastman, who then proceeded to talk about the importance of the RNC helping the campaign gather these contingent electors in case any of these legal challenges that were ongoing changed the result of any of the states. I think more, just helping them reach out and assemble them," she said. "My understanding is the campaign did take the lead, and we just were helping them in that — in that role."
    Trump was involved directly. This comes from a very pro-Trump source.

  2. #6002
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Send authoritarian, anti-Democratic fucks like Ron Johnson to prison. Glad Pence's legal team was at least smart enough not to fuck with all this transparently illegal shit.
    If nothing else, its been a revealing contrast of republicans that kept to oath and law, and others that by any definition have betrayed both and should be considered traitors.

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    I searched Moss' name and have not seen the testimony but did Trump publicly out her in a tweet. I read Giuliani outed her and the crazy woman attorney I read. Plus Giuliani using analogy of passing USB or votes around like dealing coke to paraphrase is a nice race baiting touch. If memory serves me correct I remember Trump outing a public citizen. Maybe it was in Michigan, Detroit specifically.

    Well, another of incredibly effin unbelievable for a sitting President, a former President or any politician to public out and accuse a US private citizen for intimidation and harm. Yet, this is normal now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paranoid Android View Post
    I searched Moss' name and have not seen the testimony but did Trump publicly out her in a tweet. I read Giuliani outed her and the crazy woman attorney I read. Plus Giuliani using analogy of passing USB or votes around like dealing coke to paraphrase is a nice race baiting touch. If memory serves me correct I remember Trump outing a public citizen. Maybe it was in Michigan, Detroit specifically.

    Well, another of incredibly effin unbelievable for a sitting President, a former President or any politician to public out and accuse a US private citizen for intimidation and harm. Yet, this is normal now.
    https://www.reuters.com/investigates...reats-georgia/

    Trump’s lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, falsely claimed that video footage showed the women engaging in “surreptitious illegal activity” and acting suspiciously, like drug dealers “passing out dope.” In early January, Trump himself singled out Freeman, by name, 18 times in a now-famous call in which he pressed Georgia officials to alter the state’s results. He called the 62-year-old temp worker a “professional vote scammer,” a “hustler” and a “known political operative” who “stuffed the ballot boxes.”
    He complained to Raffensperger, and that call was made public. Which apparently, the harassment was pretty immediate and she was the victim (and her mother) of both online/telephone threats and even people showing up at her home.

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    I wonder if these people committed "insurrection" too...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hammerfest View Post
    I wonder if these people committed "insurrection" too...
    Which one of them stormed the Capitol building as part of a riot? Can you give me some timestamps?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Which one of them stormed the Capitol building as part of a riot? Can you give me some timestamps?
    insurrection
    noun
    an act or instance of rising in revolt, rebellion, or resistance against civil authority or an established government.

    https://www.dictionary.com/browse/insurrection

    There's enough here to make the argument successfully that Martin Sheen and his ilk could have been accused of insurrection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hammerfest View Post

    There's enough here to make the argument successfully that Martin Sheen and his ilk could have been accused of insurrection.
    then do it, coward. stop posting on a gaming forum about it if you're so sure. I'm sure a Trump appointed Judge would love to hear it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hammerfest View Post
    insurrection
    noun
    an act or instance of rising in revolt, rebellion, or resistance against civil authority or an established government.

    https://www.dictionary.com/browse/insurrection

    There's enough here to make the argument successfully that Martin Sheen and his ilk could have been accused of insurrection.
    You might have memory holed that bolded word.

    Also, why do you hate freedom of speech and the First Amendment?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Also, why do you hate freedom of speech and the First Amendment?
    That's interesting because I was wondering the same thing about you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hammerfest View Post
    That's interesting because I was wondering the same thing about you.
    Invading federal property with the intent to murder those within, or telling people to do that, or colluding to break the law to overturn an election you know you lost are not examples of free speech.
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    Kaleredar is right...
    Words to live by.

  12. #6012
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    sip
    I'm really sorry to burst your bubble but I've said this ages ago.

    This DoJ will absolutely not bring charges on any elected Republican. Neither for the January Coup nor for anything else for that matter.

    There is no long game here.

    Matt Gaetz is not going to prison not matter how many children he has sex with. Trump is untouchable and could murder and rape the corpse of someone on national TV and wouldn't be prosecuted.

    Idiots like Bannon and Guiliani don't count. But even those are likely to walk.

    The Democratic establishment in DC is absolutely useless. Nothing will come of these hearings. It's a waste of time.

    Come November the GOP will take Congress and proceed to impeach Biden once every 2 weeks for everything from breathing to falling off his bycicle. There will be no future judicial appointments and they will use their legislative powers to neuter and defund the DoJ, the FBI, DHS and possibly even the DoD.

    Like honestly. Do you guys live on the same planet I'm living on? I've said all this literally years ago, while everyone was fantasizing about how Garland is going to go get Gaetz, MTG etc.

    Lol guys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hammerfest View Post
    insurrection
    noun
    an act or instance of rising in revolt, rebellion, or resistance against civil authority or an established government.

    https://www.dictionary.com/browse/insurrection

    There's enough here to make the argument successfully that Martin Sheen and his ilk could have been accused of insurrection.
    Why are you using the wrong definitional source for the term you're discussing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mihalik View Post
    I'm really sorry to burst your bubble but I've said this ages ago.

    This DoJ will absolutely not bring charges on any elected Republican. Neither for the January Coup nor for anything else for that matter.

    There is no long game here.

    Matt Gaetz is not going to prison not matter how many children he has sex with. Trump is untouchable and could murder and rape the corpse of someone on national TV and wouldn't be prosecuted.

    Idiots like Bannon and Guiliani don't count. But even those are likely to walk.

    The Democratic establishment in DC is absolutely useless. Nothing will come of these hearings. It's a waste of time.

    Come November the GOP will take Congress and proceed to impeach Biden once every 2 weeks for everything from breathing to falling off his bycicle. There will be no future judicial appointments and they will use their legislative powers to neuter and defund the DoJ, the FBI, DHS and possibly even the DoD.

    Like honestly. Do you guys live on the same planet I'm living on? I've said all this literally years ago, while everyone was fantasizing about how Garland is going to go get Gaetz, MTG etc.

    Lol guys.
    We'll see - and don't worry, I share your pessimism for any kind of jail time falling on any GOP elected person.

    That being said, the Jan 6 Committee hearing conclusions being held live is...interesting. It's almost like a precursor to charges being filed, with the goal of gaining more public support.

    But yeah, when the GQP takes over the House in 2023, we're all in for the full circus - they will impeach Biden for anything and everything. I mean, Pence was just quoted as saying that the most dishonest president he's ever encountered is...Biden.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mihalik View Post
    I'm really sorry to burst your bubble but I've said this ages ago.

    This DoJ will absolutely not bring charges on any elected Republican. Neither for the January Coup nor for anything else for that matter.

    There is no long game here.

    Matt Gaetz is not going to prison not matter how many children he has sex with. Trump is untouchable and could murder and rape the corpse of someone on national TV and wouldn't be prosecuted.

    Idiots like Bannon and Guiliani don't count. But even those are likely to walk.

    The Democratic establishment in DC is absolutely useless. Nothing will come of these hearings. It's a waste of time.

    Come November the GOP will take Congress and proceed to impeach Biden once every 2 weeks for everything from breathing to falling off his bycicle. There will be no future judicial appointments and they will use their legislative powers to neuter and defund the DoJ, the FBI, DHS and possibly even the DoD.

    Like honestly. Do you guys live on the same planet I'm living on? I've said all this literally years ago, while everyone was fantasizing about how Garland is going to go get Gaetz, MTG etc.

    Lol guys.
    /thread tbh

  15. #6015
    [QUOTE=Hammerfest;53812804]I wonder if these people committed "insurrection" too...

    They did not. I could easily make the case how obvious they didn't but you believe the earth is flat so I'll just leave it at they did not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hammerfest View Post
    insurrection
    noun
    an act or instance of rising in revolt, rebellion, or resistance against civil authority or an established government.

    https://www.dictionary.com/browse/insurrection

    There's enough here to make the argument successfully that Martin Sheen and his ilk could have been accused of insurrection.
    No, there is not. Not by a wide chasm. The very idea that you'd even consider it demonstrates your intentional malice and intolerance. This is the same motivations that were behind the Night of the Long Knives. Literally the same attitude and motivation.

    You knew yourself this was a bullshit argument. You just don't care. You want to silence critical voices, no matter how you achieve that goal. That's it.


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    Fox anchor: Jan. 6 witnesses outlining ‘huge, stunning, clear’ lack of voter fraud evidence

    Fox News anchor Martha MacCallum on Tuesday said that witnesses testifying before the House select committee investigating the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol are laying out a “huge, stunning and clear moment” showing a lack of evidence to support former President Trump’s claims of an unfair election in 2020.

    MacCallum said Democrats on the committee are likely to use division among Republicans about whether to believe Trump’s claims about the election as a political tool in the coming midterm and presidential contests.

    “It will be extremely useful in coming campaigns, especially the presidential, when you look back at what we have in terms of the Mike Pence part of all of this,” MacCallum said. “So it is a political discussion. It is very compelling and the lack of evidence is the huge stunning clear moment here where these people are saying look I supported you, please give me something to work with, and it simply doesn’t materialize.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hammerfest View Post
    I wonder if these people committed "insurrection" too...

    I have an answer for you, no it isn't. Jesus fucking christ, are you fucking ignorant on purpose? Did they try to overthrow democracy when they lost?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hammerfest View Post
    insurrection
    noun
    an act or instance of rising in revolt, rebellion, or resistance against civil authority or an established government.

    https://www.dictionary.com/browse/insurrection

    There's enough here to make the argument successfully that Martin Sheen and his ilk could have been accused of insurrection.
    How are they resisting civil authority? A majority of states (including most red states) don't have faithless Elector laws. The duly appointed Electors have it within their power to vote differently than what the state popular vote indicates.

    What the people in the video are not doing is trying to find a way to ignore the duly appointed Electors and foist off a panel of fake Electors as legitimate in an attempt to circumvent the established election process.

    You have no argument here.


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  20. #6020
    @Breccia You know it's pretty bad when you have one of the so called "legal experts" from the National Review saying that Trump is unfit to serve as president, and that he "may have committed a crime". Same with one of the so called "legal experts" from Trump's impeachments, Johnathan Turley.

    https://www.mediaite.com/tv/fox-news...ty-of-a-crime/

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