Capitol Insurrection / rebellion thread

[Kathranis]

Have they ever...? I don't think you have a strong grasp on humans or even primates if you believe that... as nice as it would be if it was true.

Sociopathy is a far rarer trait than empathy. The world is in the wretched state it is today because those few sociopaths have too often been allowed to take the reins and dictate the organization of our society and economy.

[Xyonai]

Sociopathy is a far rarer trait than empathy. The world is in the wretched state it is today because those few sociopaths have too often been allowed to take the reins and dictate the organization of our society and economy.

Yeah for real. Humans are a social and communal species, probably as much as if not more-so than our direct relatives, and our higher brain functions have allowed us to express these social adaptations in much stronger ways.

The notion that empathy is some uncommon marvel of human invention is laughable, and anyone proudly proclaiming such a thing probably hasn't owned a cat or a dog. Or has a very poor social circle if they have one at all.

[Cthulhu 2020]

I think any economic system in a pure form isn't sustainable until we reach a point that resource scarcity doesn't exist

Go google how much food is thrown out or wasted in the US. You could even half the number you find on google to account for all the food that isn't just grocery store shrink (like restaurant waste) and it would still be an utterly massive number.

Go google how many homeless people there are. Then google how many vacant houses there are in the US. Now go do some research on how concentrated housing ownership is among the wealthy elite. Homelessness is a product of capitalism.

We could feed and house every homeless and hungry person in the US ten times over and still have waste. But we don't. Because giving out food for free that's being thrown in the garbage would "upset everyone who's paying for food". We could house every single homeless person in an apartment or home all to themselves and have 90% of the vacant housing still be vacant, but having someone live in vacant properties would decrease the value for the owners of said empty properties.

Capitalism is the cause of suffering and death around the world. People die every day because they can't get the bare essentials. For as much as capitalists say that deaths under socialism are directly caused by socialism, they certainly seem ready to blame the individual when they can't live under capitalism. "It's not capitalism's fault they died, they just didn't work hard enough!" And yet if the system fails them, is that not ultimately the system's fault?

Anyway, this is ultimately a discussion about the capitol insurrection, where the right tried to stop the peaceful transition of power and overthrown our government as we know it. The right commits far more violence against people. They shed no tears for the countless lives lost to right wing terrorism, but will talk about a single Little Caesar's being burned down 10 years later as if it's some kind of tragedy committed by the left that cannot be reconciled at all. It's dumb. And it's also clear that there is no compromise or reconciliation with the right when their positions are absolute in nature. "Do as we want and you get nothing, or you're not compromising!" That's not compromise. That's capitulation.

[Breccia]

New Footage from Jan 6th is being trickled out by right wing sources, so it looks like Tucker's started dishing out the stuff he got from MacCarthy to his buddies.

Meaningless without the entire footage, at least, to anyone reasonable. It doesn't matter how much footage we see of people not breaking the law.

[Xyonai]

Meaningless without the entire footage, at least, to anyone reasonable. It doesn't matter how much footage we see of people not breaking the law.

As I said in the initial point: If this one's the damning 'zinger' they wanted to start the leaks with then I'm guessing the rest are rather pedestrian or do very little to reinforce their victim complexes. Over the next week or so we'll probaby be drip fed every instance where an officer gave a rioter the stink eye and will be told, while they clutch their pearls, how these lawfully abiding ragamuffins were being abused and mistreated by police officers.

All without a hint or shred of irony given how these same troglodytes covered the 2020 Police Brutality protests.

[Breccia]

You'll never guess who was surprised to learn that Speaker McCarthy had handed over a trove of Jan. 6 footage to Tucker Carlson.

UPDATE: this won't just be an unsupervised handing over of VHS tapes.

"Who uses VHS tapes?"

FOX News caters to old people afraid of change. I'm surprised they don't broadcast in black and white. (re-watches FOX News) Mostly white.

Footage from the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol will be subject to a security review before clips are handed to Fox News host Tucker Carlson to broadcast, according to Rep. Barry Lourdermilk (R-Ga.), chair of the House Administration Subcommittee on Oversight.

Lourdermilk said that his panel is working with the sergeant-at-arms and Capitol Police to make sure that none of the footage released will pose security risks.

“It’s basically controlled access to be able to view tapes. Can’t record, can’t take anything with you. Then they will request any particular clips that – that they may need, and then we’ll make sure that there’s nothing sensitive, nothing classified – you know, escape routes,” Loudermilk said Tuesday in response to a question from The Hill.

"Oh, so other networks are getting it, too?"

No.

EDIT: Scalise says they will get it "eventually" and refused to answer any other questions. As far as I'm concerned, that's a "no" until proven otherwise.

"...they do understand that's part of the problem, right?"

They won't admit that, no. Also:

Carlson had said on his show last week that his producers had “unfettered” access to some 44,000 hours of security footage from the day of the riot and that producers had already started combing through the footage.

So one of the two is lying. It's restricted, or it's not.

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Another trial, another guilty finding for an insurrectionist. Must be a day that ends in justice.

Bruno Cua was convicted of multiple felonies, including "posting on social media before the attack that he was going to interfere with the election" and "admitting on social media after the attack that he was there to commit violence and would do it again". Oh, and going door to door demanding that lawmakers come out, and he attacked some police officers.

Cua, who is 20, could get up to 8 years for being a terrorist and up to 20 more for being a violent terrorist. He could end up sentenced to more years in jail than he's spent alive.

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Surprising nobody, House Administration Committee calls for giving the footage handed to Tucker Carlson also to the Jan 6th defendants.

"Everyone accused of a crime in this country deserves due process, which includes access to evidence which may be used to prove their guilt or innocence," the chair really said.

"We want the defendants to cherry pick pictures of themselves somehow inside the Capitol when they shouldn't be there, but to pick and choose frames in which they weren't being violent, so they can convince a jury that they were basically a heavily-armed tour group," is basically what he said.

Simply put, this is an attempt in the mainstream Republican view that the people who entered the closed Capitol, forcing the election results to be delayed, to handwave the fact that simply being caught in the act of terrorism isn't enough for the Republican Party to assume guilt.

In a court of law, there needs to be some kind of proof of guilt already. Having access to the footage to point to frames of video the insurrectionists weren't in doesn't help either party. If they were arrested inside the building, or video'd inside the building, they're objectively guilty. The footage of other, unrelated acts means nothing.

[gondrin]

UPDATE: this won't just be an unsupervised handing over of VHS tapes.

"Who uses VHS tapes?"

FOX News caters to old people afraid of change. I'm surprised they don't broadcast in black and white. (re-watches FOX News) Mostly white.



"Oh, so other networks are getting it, too?"

No.

EDIT: Scalise says they will get it "eventually" and refused to answer any other questions. As far as I'm concerned, that's a "no" until proven otherwise.

"...they do understand that's part of the problem, right?"

They won't admit that, no. Also:



So one of the two is lying. It's restricted, or it's not.

Well, one of those people are habitual liars so I'll put my money on Tucker being the liar here.

Surprising nobody, House Administration Committee calls for giving the footage handed to Tucker Carlson also to the Jan 6th defendants.

"Everyone accused of a crime in this country deserves due process, which includes access to evidence which may be used to prove their guilt or innocence," the chair really said.

"We want the defendants to cherry pick pictures of themselves somehow inside the Capitol when they shouldn't be there, but to pick and choose frames in which they weren't being violent, so they can convince a jury that they were basically a heavily-armed tour group," is basically what he said.

Simply put, this is an attempt in the mainstream Republican view that the people who entered the closed Capitol, forcing the election results to be delayed, to handwave the fact that simply being caught in the act of terrorism isn't enough for the Republican Party to assume guilt.

In a court of law, there needs to be some kind of proof of guilt already. Having access to the footage to point to frames of video the insurrectionists weren't in doesn't help either party. If they were arrested inside the building, or video'd inside the building, they're objectively guilty. The footage of other, unrelated acts means nothing.

Well, when it comes to evidence, the flip side of it is that both parties have a right to it and can use it equally. If the Jan 6th insurrectionists get to use it, so do the prosecution and while the insurrectionists will try and cherry pick scenes or stills that shows them in a "good" light, the prosecution will most definitely show them being violent or otherwise breaking the law.

That guy might want to rethink that strategy.

[Edge-]

As seen at CPAC.

Cute pepe doll.

The "outside scoop" would be terrible since the whole point of the "inside scoop" is you're getting information you can't get from the "outside"

The number of veterans arrested for their participation seems fairly irrelevant, but whatever.

Are they also selling honey? I'm confused by those apparent jars of honey.

Their banner is gramatically incorrect and should probably read, "J6ERS, POLITICAL PRISONERS AND LOST LOVED ONES; YOU ARE NOT ALONE!"

rofl

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https://apnews.com/article/jan-6-cap...f6d4fd80ee283f

The FBI is searching for a Florida woman who was supposed to stand trial Monday on charges stemming from the Jan. 6, 2021, Capitol attack as well as another riot defendant who has also gone missing, officials said.

A federal judge in Washington issued bench warrants for the arrest of Olivia Pollock and Joseph Hutchinson III last week after the court was notified that they had tampered with or removed the ankle monitors that track their location, said Joe Boland, a supervisory special agent with the FBI’s Lakeland, Florida office.

Boland said the FBI has recovered one of the defendants’ ankle monitors after they removed it, but declined to say whether it was Pollock’s or Hutchinson’s. As of Monday afternoon, the FBI had not located either of them, he said.

Two insurrectionists are on the lamb.

Really weird move given that they would likely face a slap on the wrist as most of the other insurrectionists have. Now they're gonna have additional charges tacked on.

If you're not willing to potentially go to prison for violating the law in the name of your firmly held beliefs, they're not firmly held beliefs.

[jonnysensible]

Two insurrectionists are on the lamb.

what are they welsh?

[Edge-]

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/tucker-c...re-sightseers/

Predictably, Tucker Carlson is using his access to the January 6 footage to attempt to rewrite history and convince folks there wasn't a violent, mass-riot in an attempt to overthrow the election results like we all watched unfold live on TV and from the hundreds of social media accounts livestreaming the violence that day.

It was a peaceful crowd of sightseers with just a few "hooligans" in the mix.

Boy, I can't wait for his take on the summer of racial justice and police protests. I'm sure he'll have a similarly enlightened take on those!

[Breccia]

It was a peaceful crowd of sightseers with just a few "hooligans" in the mix.

Literally everyone saw this coming. Until the entire footage is released, the fact that some scenes don't have crimes is irrelevant.

I see he tried to say it was not organized, we have multiple convictions that say he's lying.

I see he said it was "mostly peaceful" which is the dumbest thing I've seen all weekend and I graded tests all weekend. (My students are taking Calc II, so even the bad students are smarter than Carlson's statements) By saying "mostly peaceful" you're admitting parts weren't.

Carlson seems to be continuing to "I'm not saying, but I'm saying" push that the literaly lynch mob Trump formed was let into the building by Deep State members. Funny that he says he has no evidence when he's literally the only person outside the government with all the footage. If he had evidence, he'd have presented it by now. He didn't, so he doesn't. Also I can't help but notice that basically no people, could be literally no people, arrested for breaking in said "the feds let me in".

In other words, it's just another Twitter files. Carlson has nothing, but will preach to the insane choir pretending he does for money. Maybe the Capitol Police etc. should sue for defamation. I can think of one point six billion reasons to do that.

[Edge-]

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/brian-s...6-2021-attack/

In a statement provided to CBS News, Sicknick's family said they are "outraged at the ongoing attack" by Fox News and accused Carlson of cherry-picking footage from the Jan. 6 riot that "supports his delusional views that" it was peaceful.

"Every time the pain of that day seems to have ebbed a bit, organizations like Fox rip our wounds wide open again and we are frankly sick of it," the Sicknick family said.

They accused Fox News of doing the bidding of former President Donald Trump and "his sycophant followers," while ignoring the damage done to families of U.S. Capitol Police and Metropolitan Police officers who were harmed on Jan. 6 by the violent mob of Trump's supporters who breached the building in an attempt to thwart the transfer of presidential power.

"FOX has shown time and time again that they are little more than the propaganda arm of the Republican Party and like Pravda, will do whatever they are told to keep the hatred and the lies flowing while suppressing anything resembling the truth," the family said. "Fox does this not for any sense of morality as they have none, but for the quest for every penny of advertising money they can get from those who buy airtime from them."

The family of officer Sicknick is fairly displeased with Tucker Carlson attempting to whitewash the attack on law enforcement and the Capitol building on Jan. 6.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/07/polit...ary-6-footage/

US Capitol Police Chief Tom Manger on Tuesday ripped into Fox News host Tucker Carlson over his commentary about footage from the January 6, 2021, insurrection that he aired Monday night, saying the host “cherry-picked” from the footage to present “offensive” and “misleading” conclusions about the attack.

“Last night an opinion program aired commentary that was filled with offensive and misleading conclusions about the January 6 attack,” Manger wrote in an internal department memo obtained by CNN, adding that Carlson’s show didn’t reach out to the police department “to provide accurate context.”

“The program conveniently cherry-picked from the calmer moments of our 41,000 hours of video. The commentary fails to provide context about the chaos and violence that happened before or during these less tense moments,” Manger said.

And so is the current Capitol Police Chief.

I thought Tucker was a "Back the Blue" guy? Why is he being all anti-cop here?

Still wondering when conservatives will start expressing outrage that Fox News was given preferential treatment by the United States House of Representatives and why they did not treat all media outlets equally. Giving a media outlet an exclusive like this sure raises some big concerns about the media outlets agency and whether or not they are acting as a de-facto propaganda arm of the political party in control of the House.

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https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/con...peac-rcna73764

“I think it’s bullshit,” Tillis told reporters in the Capitol.

“I was here. I was down there and I saw maybe a few tourists, a few people who got caught up in things,” he added. “But when you see police barricades breached, when you see police officers assaulted, all of that ... if you were just a tourist you should’ve probably lined up at the visitors’ center and came in on an orderly basis.”

...

Republican Sen. Kevin Cramer, a North Dakota conservative, said he was in the Capitol on Jan. 6 and firmly rejected Carlson's portrayal of that day as “some rowdy peaceful protest of Boy Scouts.”

“I think that breaking through glass windows and doors to get into the United States Capitol against the borders of police is a crime. I think particularly when you come into the chambers, when you start opening the members' desks, when you stand up in their balcony — to somehow put that in the same category as you know, permitted peaceful protest is just a lie,” Cramer said.

“I think it doesn’t do any good for the narrative,” he added.

On his show Monday night, Carlson said that while there were a few bad apples, most of the Jan. 6 rioters were peaceful and calling them “sightseers,” not “insurrectionists.”

“The footage does not show an insurrection or a riot in progress,” he said. “Instead it shows police escorting people through the building."

Asked if Speaker Kevin McCarthy made a mistake by giving thousands of hours of Jan. 6 footage exclusively to Carlson, Cramer said the speaker could have given it to “all sources equally,” rather than “one who is particularly good at conservative entertainment.”

Sen. Mitt Romney, R-Utah, said it’s “really sad to see Tucker Carlson go off the rails like that,” saying that he’s “joining a range of shock jocks that are disappointing America and feeding falsehoods.”

“The American people saw what happened on Jan. 6." Romney told reporters. "They’ve seen the people that got injured, they saw the damage to the building. You can’t hide the truth by selectively picking a few minutes out of tapes and saying this is what went on. It’s so absurd. It’s nonsense.”

“It’s a very dangerous thing to do, to suggest that attacking the Capitol of the United States is in any way acceptable and it’s anything other than a serious crime, against democracy and against our country," Romney said. "And people saw that it was violent and destructive and should never happen again. But trying to normalize that behavior is dangerous and disgusting.”

Sen. Mike Rounds, R-S.D., also rejected Carlson’s comments that the day was peaceful.

“I was there on Jan. 6. I saw what happened. I saw the aftermath. There was violence on Jan. 6,” Rounds told reporters.

“I think the footage that’s available should be made available to all networks and everybody should be able to see for themselves just what kind of chaos we had on that day.”

The top Republican on the Judiciary Committee, Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., said the Jan. 6 committee should be investigated, including why the panel did not focus much on the bombs that were planted at the Democratic National Committee and Republican National Committee headquarters the night before the Capitol attack. But, he stated: "We don't want to whitewash January the sixth."

"I think the Jan. 6 committee had a partisan view of things and I'd like to know more about what happened that day and the day before," Graham added. "But I'm not interested in whitewashing the Covid lab theory, and I'm not interested in whitewashing Jan. 6."

And even a number of Republican Senators are fairly displeased with Tuckers attempt to downplay the fact that people stormed the Capitol building with the intent to capture and/or kill many of these members of Congress, even Republicans.

I do wonder if this is causing more rifts between House and Senate Republicans, what with House Republicans continuing to be more inclined to side with the insurrectionist mob that came for the heads and to overturn an election and all.

[Drutt]

I do wonder if this is causing more rifts between House and Senate Republicans, what with House Republicans continuing to be more inclined to side with the insurrectionist mob that came for the heads and to overturn an election and all.

Seems inevitable to me . Most Senators will have to cling to a veneer of respectability, since they campaign in the whole of their state and the "safe district" aspect that has gotten so many lunatics into the House of Representatives is seriously watered down. That has to cause friction sooner or later if the loonies continue to agitate.

[gondrin]

Well, Tucker Carlson is the literal Baghdad Bob of Fox News so it is no surprise in what he is doing.

[Edge-]

Well, Tucker Carlson is the literal Baghdad Bob of Fox News so it is no surprise in what he is doing.

People actually believe Tucker though, which is the fuckin problem : /

[zEmini]

People need to start calling their cable provider and tell them they are canceling cable because of fox news. This needs to trend.

[Edge-]

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/...ence-of-jan-6/

“With regard to the presentation on Fox News last night, I want to associate myself entirely with the opinion of the chief of the Capitol police about what happened on Jan. 6,” McConnell told reporters Tuesday, holding up a copy of the police chief’s statement.

McConnell said “my concern is how it was depicted” on Carlson’s highly rated show.

“Clearly the chief of the Capitol Police, in my view, correctly described what most of us witnessed firsthand on Jan. 6,” he said.

“It was a mistake, in my view, [for] Fox News to depict this in a way completely at variance with what our chief law enforcement official here at the Capitol” described, McConnell said.

Manger, the police chief, said the commentary in Carlson’s show “was filled with offensive and misleading conclusions about the Jan. 6 attack.”

Add Mitch McConnell.

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https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1633021151197954048

Count Elon Musk amongst the Tucker Carlson fans who think that he had a huge get with his exclusive!

And also, for some reason, thinks that special committees have the authority to send anyone to prison. But who knows, maybe he's an expert on government and we never knew this weither.

[postman1782]

People actually believe Tucker though, which is the fuckin problem : /

What is really funny, is watching these Republican senators and congressman shit all over him because its bullshit.

[Edge-]

What is really funny, is watching these Republican senators and congressman shit all over him because its bullshit.

Just Senators so far. Don't think I've seen anything from House Republicans. And in the Senate it's largely the crowd you'd expect, save maybe Graham (who isn't that surprising, he's gonna be ready to bend with whatever direction the wind blows). Nothing from the likes of Rubio or Scott or Cruz, which is similarly expected.

[Cthulhu 2020]

41,000 hours of footage, Tucker showed maybe a couple of minutes of total footage of random capitol police milling about aimlessly.

MAGA sphere on twitter: SEE IT WAS COMPLETELY PEACEFUL, I'M TOTALLY GOING TO BELIEVE THIS ENTIRELY CHERRY PICKED NARRATIVE.