Capitol Insurrection / rebellion thread

[Breccia]

I 'member when there were folks talking about how "sedition" was hyperbole and there was nothing going to happen and this was all a nothingberder.

Somehow, I doubt they'll rush back to defend Florida, Florida, Texas and Arizona men here. Also worth noting: they were found guilty of obstruction of justice, or more accurately, obstructing Congress from certifying the vote -- that's just as illegal. And while sedition might be a very rare charge, probably why it took the jury 3 days, obstruction was a slam dunk. They 100% planned to be there to block the vote and there's objective proof.

We won't be seeing them for a while. Well, they could appeal, and lose that too.

[Edge-]

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/pol...ower-rcna68904

"We delivered a peaceful transition on January 6, 2021, exactly as our Constitution requires," Pompeo, a potential 2024 presidential candidate, told Sky News.

I think Pompeo lost some brain mass with the rest of that weight he dropped in preparation for his presidential bid.

Just another reminder of how deeply dishonest Republicans are. People died that day because of the lies told by Republicans and those in Trump's orbit, including Pompeo.

[postman1782]

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/pol...ower-rcna68904



I think Pompeo lost some brain mass with the rest of that weight he dropped in preparation for his presidential bid.

Just another reminder of how deeply dishonest Republicans are. People died that day because of the lies told by Republicans and those in Trump's orbit, including Pompeo.

Guess he should ask the morons that have been getting some big time in prison if they had a peaceful transition on Jan 6th. Especially that pussy ass traitor that got 68 months this week while crying in court after he sprayed 15 cops with worse than bear mace.

[Edge-]

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/0...guilt-00081113

A Jan. 6 defendant’s boast in an interview this week that he had no regrets about his role in the Capitol riot — just days after he acknowledged his guilt in a federal courtroom — may upend the man’s efforts to resolve the criminal case against him.

U.S. District Court Judge Amit Mehta issued an order Friday instructing defendant Thomas Adams Jr. and prosecutors why the guilty findings the judge entered on Tuesday following a brief, “stipulated” bench trial should not be overturned in light of Adams’ comments to a reporter the following day.

“I wouldn’t change anything I did,” Adams told the State Journal-Register Wednesday outside his home in Springfield, Ill. “I didn’t do anything. I still to this day, even though I had to admit guilt (in the stipulation), don’t feel like I did what the charge is.”

In a brief order Friday morning, Mehta gave both sides one week to explain “why the court should not vacate Defendant’s convictions of guilt in light of his post-stipulated trial statements” included in the article. The judge also attached a copy of the news report.

Sounds like judge are tired of rioters and insurrectionists lying to them in court repeatedly after pleading guilty to receive lesser sentences and claiming they feel very, very, very badly about it.

I'm still of the opinion the vast majority of these folks are being treated with kid gloves by our legal system, but whatever. I guess you can show up to overturn an election and aim to assassinate members of Congress and the Vice President and it's all fine.

[Cthulhu 2020]

Convicted Jan 6th rioter is caught on camera peeking on women in tanning beds.

https://deadstate.org/jan-6-rioter-b...medium=twitter

You know, I'm starting to understand why these people hate the government and insist there's government overreach. I imagine those types of emotions and feelings are prevalent among people who broke the law and are facing the consequences of their actions.

[Edge-]

Convicted Jan 6th rioter is caught on camera peeking on women in tanning beds.

https://deadstate.org/jan-6-rioter-b...medium=twitter

You know, I'm starting to understand why these people hate the government and insist there's government overreach. I imagine those types of emotions and feelings are prevalent among people who broke the law and are facing the consequences of their actions.

That's a really weird followup crime and makes me wonder if this isn't his first time doing that. Or maybe doing 30 days of hard time turned him into a career criminal.

Either way, man that's gonna be awkward for his family. Already dealing with him and his son being capitol rioters and now dad's probably going back to jail for a bit for being a peeping tom.

Honestly disappointed his name isn't Tom, because it would make this joke so much easier.

[Edge-]

https://theintercept.com/2023/02/06/...6-marines-nsa/

A MARINE CHARGED with taking part in the January 6 insurrection at the U.S. Capitol was transferred into a highly sensitive intelligence assignment at the headquarters of the National Security Agency after the violent attempt to overturn the 2020 election results, Marine Corps officials have acknowledged. The Marine confessed to his role in the Capitol riot last summer during a security clearance interview, but was not charged until last month.

Following his alleged participation in the 2021 insurrection, Sgt. Joshua Abate, a special communication signals analyst, was assigned to the Marine Cryptologic Support Battalion, which acts as a liaison between the Marines and the NSA at Fort Meade. The transfer into the liaison unit after the Capitol riot placed Abate inside one of the most sensitive facilities in the entire U.S. government.

So does security even matter? Does access to classified information matter? Does taking it home with you matter? Are there consequences for partaking in a violent insurrection and attempt to overturn an election?

The answers to all these questions, at least if you're a conservative white dude, or at the very least a white dude, apaprently largely seems to be: Not really, also not really, usually not, and apparently not for quite some time.

Two other Marines charged with entering the Capitol alongside Abate on January 6 were also given sensitive new intelligence assignments within the Marine Corps after the insurrection, according to statements from the Corps. Sgt. Dodge Dale Hellonen was assigned to the 3rd Marine Raider Support Battalion, which provides intelligence support to the Marine Forces Special Operations Command at Camp LeJeune, North Carolina. And Cpl. Micah Coomer was assigned to the Marines 1st Radio Battalion, which provides signals intelligence and electronic warfare support for the Marine Expeditionary Force based in Camp Pendleton, California. Like Abate, Hellonen and Coomer are highly trained in communications and signals intelligence.

Eyo do we to investigate Marine Corps leadership or something for potential ties to right wing extremists? Or is this just like, the usual level of potentially dangerous incompetence?

Because I've had more than a few friends join the military and need clearances, including some pretty fucking high level ones. Anything like, "Has your friend participated in political violence?" would have resulted in them being denied if the answer had been yes.

So like...what do?

[postman1782]

https://theintercept.com/2023/02/06/...6-marines-nsa/



So does security even matter? Does access to classified information matter? Does taking it home with you matter? Are there consequences for partaking in a violent insurrection and attempt to overturn an election?

The answers to all these questions, at least if you're a conservative white dude, or at the very least a white dude, apaprently largely seems to be: Not really, also not really, usually not, and apparently not for quite some time.



Eyo do we to investigate Marine Corps leadership or something for potential ties to right wing extremists? Or is this just like, the usual level of potentially dangerous incompetence?

Because I've had more than a few friends join the military and need clearances, including some pretty fucking high level ones. Anything like, "Has your friend participated in political violence?" would have resulted in them being denied if the answer had been yes.

So like...what do?

With people knowing he committed a crime, they could have blackmailed him. He should have lost his clearance when he admitted to it.

[Edge-]

So conservatives are LOSING THEIR GOD DAMNED MINDS because activists in Oklahoma peacefully entered and are "occupying" the state Capitol building.

It's no different than January 6, 2021!

Except for the fact that nobody is breaking down doors or windows. Or forcing entry. Or destroying barriers. Or assaulting law enforcement with hockey sticks and American flags. Or crushing them in the door. Or building gallows and explicitly stating their intent to hang members of the State House or Lt. Governor.

Or really doing anything beyond showing up to a public space and sitting around for a peaceful protest.\

Republicans and conservatives are so fucking desperate to make it seem like they're not the only violent extremists, when in reality they're the only violent extremists.

[Edge-]

https://www.oklahoman.com/story/news...l/69886044007/

"It was no big deal. It wasn't like they tore anything up or broke into the Capitol or anything like that," Stitt said Tuesday when asked about the protest on a national radio show.

Stitt said there were no arrests and the protestors had a permit to be on the second floor.

At one point, the crowd moved to the fourth floor where they began shouting, but Stitt said state troopers asked them to quiet down while lawmakers gathered nearby. The crowd complied, Stitt said.

"There was never any danger for the citizens of Oklahoma or the Capitol," Stitt said.

Just a reminder of how Republican lie.

And what a peaceful protest "occupying" a Capitol building looks like. And what complying with law enforcement looks like.

[Breccia]

More sentences to announce!



This man is Kevin Seefield, of...Delaware, huh, okay...and if you have anything important to say to him, take your time. He's not going anywhere for three years.

Photographs of Seefried walking through the Capitol with his Confederate flag quickly became some of the most well-known images from the Jan. 6 assault. Seefried brought the flag “as a symbol of protest, but had not considered the logic of those who see the flag as a symbol of American racism,” his lawyers wrote in their sentencing memorandum filed last week.

“Now that photos of him with the flag have become iconic symbols of the horror of January 6, Mr. Seefried completely understands the harm he has caused,” they wrote, adding that Seefried is aware that “the community and even history, may view him as a racist.”

Seefried was the first rioter in the building to interact with U.S. Capitol Police Officer Eugene Goodman, who led Seefried and other rioters away from the entrance to the Senate chamber, prosecutors said. Goodman had ordered Seefried to leave the building. In response, Seefried asked Goodman where the members of Congress were and “jabbed the base of the flagpole at him,” prosecutors said.

“You can shoot me man, but we’re coming in,” Seefried told Goodman, according to prosecutors.

Personally, I think hitting a police officer with a wood and/or metal stick while you're breaking and entering should be more than three years, but part of that is because of this:

Leslie Bethea sentenced to six years, but not for assaulting an on-duty police officer with a weapon whose stats are in every D&D manual ever printed. No, she got COVID relief funds and spent them on plastic surgery and a stay at Trump's hotel.

Bethea, 30, is accused of submitting false information and forged financial records to the U.S. government while applying for a loan under the Payroll Protection Program, which she did ultimately receive although she did not qualify for it. The PPP, a small business loan program backed by the U.S. Treasury that was developed to support struggling companies in the wake of the pandemic, granted Bethea $20,805, according to the Justice Department — an amount based on her allegedly faulty application.

Prosecutors alleged in a criminal complaint that Bethea's PPP loan application incorrectly stated that she had earned $99,835 in 2019, included fraudulent tax documents that aimed to substantiate that number, and claimed that she had not been convicted of fraud offenses at any time during the previous five years. However, the complaint notes that Bethea was in prison in Tennessee for the duration of the year 2019, and entered a mandatory period of supervised release in October 2020 that required her to submit legitimate monthly reports to her supervising probation officer.

Yep. The proof that she was guilty of a crime, was that she was in prison for another crime. I don't think even Trump's gone that far.

[Edge-]

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/mike-...b0255caaee4c3c

Former Vice President Mike Pence is reportedly planning to fight a grand jury subpoena from the Justice Department that would require him to testify about former President Donald Trump’s role in the Jan. 6, 2021, riot at the U.S. Capitol.

Sources familiar with Pence’s plans offered details Tuesday to Politico, NBC News and The New York Times, saying Pence plans to argue that the vice president’s duties as president of the Senate protect him from such legal scrutiny, and that he intends to cite the U.S. Constitution’s “speech or debate clause.”

Once more, a reminder that no Republican is actually interested in justice or the rule of law, only protecting their own asses and their belief that they still have a bright political career ahead of them.

[Breccia]

Proud Boys leaders ask DOJ to help subpoena Trump

Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

An attorney for one of the leading members of the right-wing Proud Boys group said on Thursday that they need assistance from the Justice Department to subpoena former President Trump in their ongoing seditious conspiracy trial, according to multiple reports.

Norm Pattis, the attorney for Proud Boys member Joseph Biggs, said in court on Thursday that they need the government’s assistance to serve the subpoena due to the presence of Secret Service, according to the Washington Post.

“At all times relevant, Trump was president of the United States, and it’s the government’s obligation to produce him,” Pattis said, per the Post.

“Donald Trump called on patriots to stop the steal,” he added, according to NBC News. “We’re calling on Donald Trump to take the stand.”

There are two options here.

One, they know Trump will fight a subpoena and they'll point to Trump's empty chair and say "we can't get a fair trial because the DOJ won't produce Trump" when they know full well it's Trump's fault for not showing up, hoping to abuse the system. This feels like when two different defendants to the same crime insist on different trials so each can blame the other and get reasonable doubt.

Or two, they're panicking and are ready to turn on Trump to save themselves.

Biggs is one of five Proud Boys on trial for seditious conspiracy related to their actions during the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the Capitol. Attorneys for the five defendants have previously argued that Trump bears responsibility for the Jan. 6 riot, pointing to several of the former president’s public statements.

I do not know if that professed belief is genuine, or if they're just trying to not go to jail by blaming a third party who would rather die than go under oath for Jan 6th and therefore won't appear and therefore the Proud Boys can pretend they have a valid defense.

Both options signal desperation. These fuckers are going to jail, and they know it.

[postman1782]

Proud Boys leaders ask DOJ to help subpoena Trump

Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee



There are two options here.

One, they know Trump will fight a subpoena and they'll point to Trump's empty chair and say "we can't get a fair trial because the DOJ won't produce Trump" when they know full well it's Trump's fault for not showing up, hoping to abuse the system. This feels like when two different defendants to the same crime insist on different trials so each can blame the other and get reasonable doubt.

Or two, they're panicking and are ready to turn on Trump to save themselves.



I do not know if that professed belief is genuine, or if they're just trying to not go to jail by blaming a third party who would rather die than go under oath for Jan 6th and therefore won't appear and therefore the Proud Boys can pretend they have a valid defense.

Both options signal desperation. These fuckers are going to jail, and they know it.

They really want Trump to go to prison for perjury?

[Breccia]

They really want Trump to go to prison for perjury?

I mean, it is either poorly thought out, or they feel betrayed and therefore "yes, they do".

But Trump won't testify and the judge won't make him. I still suspect the Proud Boys know that and can accuse Trump on the stand of being the mastermind, since Trump won't refute it in the courtroom.

[postman1782]

I mean, it is either poorly thought out, or they feel betrayed and therefore "yes, they do".

But Trump won't testify and the judge won't make him. I still suspect the Proud Boys know that and can accuse Trump on the stand of being the mastermind, since Trump won't refute it in the courtroom.

I hope they try. Because we already have their 1776 plan, that shows they planned the insurrection. Hope they enjoy prison for a long ass time.

[Resurgo]

What in the world are they trying to do here?

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/3...lance-footage/

[postman1782]

What in the world are they trying to do here?

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/3...lance-footage/

Trying to rile up the base with some sort of out of context clip like they always do?

[Edge-]

What in the world are they trying to do here?

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/3...lance-footage/

Exactly what one does when one hands a trove of footage over to a propagandist: Have them use it to create propaganda.

[Cthulhu 2020]

Can't wait for the cherry picked footage to hit social media and every right wing groyper to start going "SEE IT WASN'T A RIOT" after they've watched the most tame footage.