Capitol Insurrection / rebellion thread

[draynay]

Expect more sentencings soon.



I was under the impression that the main benefit of a Constitutionally-provided jury of your peers was to sucker one in twelve people to finding you not guilty, on the grounds of emotion and pleading for mercy. A bench trial seems like a really good way to be convicted when you're objectively guilty.

Just need one doofus who thinks 12 Angry Men is how things are supposed to work.

[Edge-]

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/jus...cing-rcna93170

A federal judge nominated by former President Donald Trump gave a “break” Friday to a man who used bear spray during the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol, saying he did not deserve the prison sentence requested by prosecutors.

U.S. District Judge Trevor McFadden sentenced Tyler Bensch, who pleaded guilty to two misdemeanor counts in connection with the riot, to two years of probation and 60 days home incarceration. Prosecutors had requested nine months in federal prison.

“You participated in a national embarrassment,” McFadden said before imposing the sentence. “You came ready for trouble.”

But, he added, Bensch's involvement was “pretty minor” when compared to others, while noting that his age was a mitigating factor. Bensch was 19 years old on Jan. 6, 2021.

“I am giving you this break because of your age” at the time and a lack of criminal history, McFadden said. “This doesn’t need to define you or your life.”

Damn man, what a sympathetic judge.

Cooper went on to say that Bensch hopes to start a career in law enforcement, adding that it's "not beyond the realm of possibility" that he could do so even with his misdemeanors. Bensch is currently working for a pool cleaning company, and the conditions of his sentence will allow him to leave his home for employment during his 60 days of home detention.

Yeah this is absolutely the last kind of person you want in any position of authority, much less in one where they are armed and can terrorize local populations.

[Breccia]

Kyle Fitzsimons, worst Hunter in the game, convicted of 11 charges and gets 7 years in prison.

He threw a bow at the police.

Threw.

A bow.

Of the seven felonies he was convicted of, five were for attacking the police, including, yes, what is likely the first conviction for "throwing your bow at someone" in the USA for like a century. It was an orgy of violence, to quote the judge, and he plead out.

Threw. A bow. Only the best people.

[postman1782]

Kyle Fitzsimons, worst Hunter in the game, convicted of 11 charges and gets 7 years in prison.

He threw a bow at the police.

Threw.

A bow.

Of the seven felonies he was convicted of, five were for attacking the police, including, yes, what is likely the first conviction for "throwing your bow at someone" in the USA for like a century. It was an orgy of violence, to quote the judge, and he plead out.

Threw. A bow. Only the best people.

He couldn't bring a firearm, so he went with a bow. Unless a bow is counted as a firearm.

Just googled it, it is not considered a firearm, so a felon can legally own a bow.
https://www.deerhuntingguide.net/can...olent%20crimes.

[Masark]

Kyle Fitzsimons, worst Hunter in the game, convicted of 11 charges and gets 7 years in prison.

He threw a bow at the police.

Threw.

A bow.

Of the seven felonies he was convicted of, five were for attacking the police, including, yes, what is likely the first conviction for "throwing your bow at someone" in the USA for like a century. It was an orgy of violence, to quote the judge, and he plead out.

Threw. A bow. Only the best people.

What else are you supposed to do if you've used up your last stack of arrows in the middle of the raid?

[gondrin]

What else are you supposed to do if you've used up your last stack of arrows in the middle of the raid?

You do what every other hunter does, feign death and wait for the raid to end.

[Drutt]

Seems to be a trend where many of the rioters who pled guilty and made outward shows of remorse are now walking it back and reverting to old ways. Probably not a surprise to most, really.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-66169914

[Edge-]

Seems to be a trend where many of the rioters who pled guilty and made outward shows of remorse are now walking it back and reverting to old ways. Probably not a surprise to most, really.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-66169914

our courts continue to be unable to deal with bad faith conservatism

this goes back to the 40's when the US charged like 25 people with being nazis trying to overthrow the us government and otherwise engaging in sedition and their tactic was to shit up the entire proceeding the whole time. constant loud interruptions during court, defense attorneys filing constant pointless objections and motions to gum up the works, folks just not showing up to court at all etc.

the same tactics from the far right are present today in the courtroom because we never deal with the issues of far right extremism back in the day when we had the chance, or even earlier after the civil war

just gonna be bad faith extremism all the way down. I particularly like that one dude that supposedly made a bait dating account for judy hopps on the conservative dating app and started getting blown up with messages including from some guy who was upset that the troll called jan 6 a "coup" and that the insurrectionists didn't kill people

this is why I continue to lament when the courts give defendants the benefit of the doubt or treat them as acting in good faith, because we know the act wouldn't last

[postman1782]

Seems to be a trend where many of the rioters who pled guilty and made outward shows of remorse are now walking it back and reverting to old ways. Probably not a surprise to most, really.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-66169914

I hope he tries, and they retry the case, and he serves the full 20 years he was looking at for it. Instead of the 41 months which he only served 27 months for.

[DarkTZeratul]

I hope he tries, and they retry the case, and he serves the full 20 years he was looking at for it. Instead of the 41 months which he only served 27 months for.

Unfortunately, re-trying someone simply because they're not sorry they did it would be grossly unconstitutional.

[postman1782]

Unfortunately, re-trying someone simply because they're not sorry they did it would be grossly unconstitutional.

To be honest, we should start allowing them to try to recant their guilty pleas, and make them serve the time if they get convicted.

[Poopymonster]

To be honest, we should start allowing them to try to recant their guilty pleas, and make them serve the time if they get convicted.

How much were they NOT charged with in exchange for a guilty plea that may have included showing remorse?
Wow, that remorse is gone.
Wow, those unfiled charges aren't.

[postman1782]

How much were they NOT charged with in exchange for a guilty plea that may have included showing remorse?
Wow, that remorse is gone.
Wow, those unfiled charges aren't.

He was looking at 20 years in prison, they knocked it down to 41 months.

[jonnysensible]

the smart thing was probably making sure the were in the can past the next election

[Paranoid Android]

NEWS: Attorney General
dananessel
announces forgery and conspiracy charges against Michigan's 16 fake Trump electors.

They include then-
MIGOP
co-chair
MeshawnMaddock
and Kathy Berden, Michigan's Republican national committeewoman.

Story coming soon at http://detroitnews.com



Look at the ages. All boomers, maybe a few Gen X'ers.

[Shadowferal]

According to a news release from Nessel's office, each defendant has been charged with:

• One count of count of Conspiracy to Commit Forgery, a 14-year felony.

• Two counts of Forgery, a 14-year felony.

• One count of Conspiracy to Commit Uttering and Publishing, a 14-year felony.

• One count of Uttering and Publishing, a 14-year felony.

• One count of Conspiracy to Commit Election Law Forgery, a 5-year felony.

• Two counts of Election Law Forgery, a 5-year felony.

[Poopymonster]

According to a news release from Nessel's office, each defendant has been charged with:

• One count of count of Conspiracy to Commit Forgery, a 14-year felony.

• Two counts of Forgery, a 14-year felony.

• One count of Conspiracy to Commit Uttering and Publishing, a 14-year felony.

• One count of Uttering and Publishing, a 14-year felony.

• One count of Conspiracy to Commit Election Law Forgery, a 5-year felony.

• Two counts of Election Law Forgery, a 5-year felony.

As someone who spent their late single digits, all my teenage years, and a few of my 20s in Michigan, a large Tongan man said it best.

[Breccia]

Conspiracy conspiracy, felony felony

Not only, as @Edge- keeps reminding us, are Republicans the ones who keep committing election fraud, this right here is the first case of mass election fraud, as it would flip an entire state without the votes for it. And, yep, Trump supporters.

We know a federal case is brewing, and we know whatever these people say in court under oath can be used. If this turns out to be a Michigan-only group of traitors, well, at least they'll have been caught and tried. If they start saying "Giuliani put us up to this" it gets worse for Trump. If they say "Giuliani put us up to this, and we can prove it" Trump should fucking panic. If he's convicted of conspiring to overthrow the country, he will be 14th'd out of the running, loses the ability to pardon himself, and if this happens too late, the Republicans lose the election because front-runner Trump will be disqualified, and nobody else will pardon him, either.

It might actually be worse if he's only arrested but not convicted. If he's ratted out by his fellow co-conspirators, classic conservatives and independents will not be able to pretend Biden is hosting a partisan witch hunt. But Trump will still be on the ticket, and Biden wins.

If this was a vast Trump-led conspiracy, Trump will know that, and needs to plan accordingly. If any other Republican knows that Trump led this conspiracy, this is their opening to sever the tie between the Republican Party and Trump's insurrection-based cult, before 2024 is gone.

[Dontrike]

NEWS: Attorney General
dananessel
announces forgery and conspiracy charges against Michigan's 16 fake Trump electors.

They include then-
MIGOP
co-chair
MeshawnMaddock
and Kathy Berden, Michigan's Republican national committeewoman.

Story coming soon at http://detroitnews.com

[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F1WFghvXoA4YNWu?format=png&name=medium[/IG]

Look at the ages. All boomers, maybe a few Gen X'ers.

I wish I could find the article again, one of them was like "What evidence do they have?" The thing you signed, duh.

[Breccia]

Former Trump appointee found guilty in Jan. 6 attack on police

U.S. District Judge Trevor McFadden convicted Federico Klein, Trump-appointed State Department official who also worked on Trump's 2016 campaign, after prosecutors alleged surveillance showed him trying to breach a police line to enter a Capitol tunnel with a mob of rioters.

"Hey, you know that cop you're assaulting has a body cam, right?"
"Nah, those things are never on."

The Trump-appointed judge convicted Klein, who was 42 years old at the time of his arrest in March 2021, without a jury of 12 counts — including assaulting, resisting or impeding officers.

Sentencing for being found guilty 12 times is scheduled for Nov 3.