Capitol Insurrection / rebellion thread

[postman1782]

https://apnews.com/article/donald-tr...74eccd69141f8d

They agreed that Biden won, and that they won't be electors in 2024. But they don't admit guilt or liability. Even though they basically did. Now, where are the criminal charges?

[zorkuus]

https://apnews.com/article/donald-tr...74eccd69141f8d

They agreed that Biden won, and that they won't be electors in 2024. But they don't admit guilt or liability. Even though they basically did. Now, where are the criminal charges?

Justice moves slow and incompetent when it comes to certain people in america. Or not at all (this is most often the case).

[Breccia]

Now, where are the criminal charges?

As I linked earlier, part of the deal was they agreed to help the DoJ. They fail to do so, the settlement is out.

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Alan Hostetter, former decent human being turned Jan 6th terrorist, found guilty and sentenced to eleven years.

After representing himself at his trial earlier this year, Alan Hostetter was convicted of conspiring to obstruct Congress' certification of Joe Biden's electoral victory, bringing a hatchet onto Capitol grounds, and disorderly conduct. While Hostetter joined the mob on the steps of the Capitol, he stopped short of entering the building and did not assault police officers during the riot.

"This defendant's conduct was terrorism," said Assistant U.S. Attorney Anthony Mariano, who argued that Hostetter's lengthy career in law enforcement meant he should have known better.

"Through his words and deeds on Jan. 6, Alan Hostetter was a terrorist," Mariano said. "Nothing he did was patriotic."

"Surely he just had one bad day, not knowing what he was getting into?"

No.

After the COVID-19 pandemic hit in early 2020, Hostetter began leading protests against what he viewed as tyrannical government overreach, and spoke in terms of violent anti-government revolution. He founded a nonprofit called the American Phoenix Project to support his protest efforts, and gained traction in Southern California's right-wing political scene, standing out with his signature trilby hat and goatee. Hostetter appeared at events with Republican politicians and partnered with the law firm of a prominent Republican attorney, Harmeet Dhillon, to challenge California's COVID-19 policies in court.

Throughout his case, Hostetter has appeared to endorse a wide range of baseless conspiracy theories while arguing that he is the target of a longstanding government plot.

At times, he has referenced the pro-Trump QAnon conspiracy alongside claims about the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, the assassination of President John F. Kennedy, the firing of Tucker Carlson from Fox News and the Freemasons.

"Okay, that's bad, but if that's the worst of it--"

No.

After the 2020 election, Hostetter and his group turned their focus to rejecting Biden's electoral victory.

"Trump must be inaugurated on January 20th, and he must be allowed to finish this historic job of cleaning out the corruption in the cesspool known as Washington, D.C.," Hostetter said in a speech in Huntington Beach, Calif. in Dec. 2020. "The enemies and traitors of America, both foreign and domestic, must be held accountable. And they will. There must be long prison terms, while execution is the just punishment for the ringleaders of this coup."

Prosecutors say that Hostetter then "spent weeks rallying others, collecting weapons, and planning an attack on the U.S. Capitol on the day that the peaceful transfer of power was meant to take place."

"...uh...but--"

No.

Hostetter denied wrongdoing and gave a lengthy conspiratorial rant claiming that the Capitol riot was the result of a "false flag" attack engineered by the federal government. "I have full faith and confidence the truth will come out and when it does it will shock people," Hostetter told the court. He also praised Republican presidential candidate Vivek Ramaswamy for saying at Wednesday's GOP primary debate that the Jan. 6 riot "now does look like it was an inside job."

At one point in his remarks to the court, Hostetter endorsed a baseless fringe theory that the fatal shooting of Ashli Babbitt, who was killed by a police officer while attempting to breach a locked door in the Capitol, was "staged." "She wasn't actually killed that day," Hostetter said.

Remember, Trump, Greene, and other leading figures in the Republican Party have been defending Hostetter and his kind. Bear in mind, if I came here posting these ideas as if they were my own, I would be kicked off. And yet, they are defended by the heads of the Republican Party. Yes, that was Ramaswamy from literally last night, yes Trump still says he won.

[Myradin]

Technically speaking the coup was an inside job. Trump, the current president at the time, and numerous republicans seem to have been rather involved with it.

[gondrin]

Headline in the article is a bit misleading as the Supreme Court has only agreed to hear the case.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...ceecd8b9&ei=12

Supreme Court Gives Capitol Rioters a Major Win

The Supreme Court has agreed to hear one of the cases challenging the Justice Department's interpretation of the "obstruction of an official proceeding" charge in what has been seen as a win for January 6, 2021, Capitol riot defendants.

The court granted certiorari for Fischer v. United States on Wednesday, taking up Joseph Fischer's appeal on the felony charge. The obstruction charge at the center of the Fischer case is the same one deployed against hundreds of defendants allegedly involved in the attack on the Capitol, including former President Donald Trump.

Fischer is one of three January 6 defendants who filed a petition with the Supreme Court. The case could upend hundreds of cases should the justices strike down the DOJ's reading of the obstruction charge and disagree that those who breached the Capitol building "corruptly" obstructed Congress' proceedings on January 6.

The Supreme Court announcement, which former federal prosecutor Michael McAuliffe called "significant," comes just two days after the petitions were relisted by the high court, which had deferred the decision of whether or not to hear the appeal until the next conference date on January 5, 2024. Legal experts had predicted that cases that are relisted by the Supreme Court have a higher likelihood of being granted by the justices.

"A ruling against the government in the Fischer case in the Supreme Court could well have a ripple effect in many other Capitol riot cases where the defendants were charged with the same obstruction of justice provision, went to trial (as opposed to pleading guilty) and were convicted," McAuliffe told Newsweek.

"A Supreme Court decision culling the obstruction of justice statute could also impact the criminal case against Donald Trump in the US district court in DC, but it's less clear when and how at this juncture," he said.

Legal analyst Andrew Weissmann called it a "good thing" that the court decided to grant the case, so that the DOJ would know if they could charge someone with obstruction sooner rather than later. And legal commentator Randall Eliason predicted that Judge Tanya Chutkan, who is overseeing Trump's federal election interference case, would hold his March trial until the Supreme Court made a decision on Fischer.

"Unless the Court strikes down the statute completely, which seems unlikely, the 1512 charges against Trump could still survive," Eliason wrote on X, formerly Twitter. "But the Court's holding would definitely affect the jury instructions, which is why J. Chutkan will probably wait for it before starting the trial."

Lawfare senior editor Roger Parloff tweeted that the court's decision to hear Fischer was "ominous" news for the DOJ, since it suggests that the majority of justices agreed to take it up even though there was no circuit split, as typically seen in other cases the Supreme Court hears.

The high court will have until June to issue a ruling, which could still delay Trump's election interference trial much to the dismay of Special Counsel Jack Smith, who just filed his own SCOTUS petition this week in hopes of keeping the trial on track for its March 4, 2024, start date.

Jeffrey Clark, the top Trump DOJ official who was indicted alongside Trump in the RICO case in Fulton County, called the Supreme Court's decision "huge" on X. Clark was charged in August with violating Georgia's RICO act and attempting to commit false statements and writings.

Fischer is a former Pennsylvania police officer who the government says had a physical encounter with another officer during the Capitol riot and urged rioters to "charge" and "hold the line." He was charged in February 2021 for obstruction of law enforcement, entering a restricted building, disorderly conduct on Capitol grounds, and obstruction of justice. He pleaded not guilty to all charges.

On Wednesday, legal analyst Steve Vladek questioned why the court chose to hear Fischer's case but not the other two January 6 appeals, saying it "Seems like there's a clue here about how narrow the Court's intervention is going to be."

"I *don't know* why they'd take only Fischer and not the other two, but it suggests that *perhaps* this is not as major an intervention as it's being portrayed—and is about something narrower in just Fischer's case," Valdek tweeted.

[Breccia]

Headline in the article is a bit misleading as the Supreme Court has only agreed to hear the case.

Well maybe, but "fine, we'll hear you out" is way more than they deserve. It is a win, just, in context.

[Flarelaine]

Headline in the article is a bit misleading as the Supreme Court has only agreed to hear the case.

It is a win already in skipping some courts and the attendant monthslong derailment from Trump. The DoJ may have saved a year, even.

[Breccia]

Hoo boy.

Yet another Jan 6th defendant, also known as "a violent terrorist", plead guilty today. Not super new in that regard, it's happened hundreds of times.

The new part is how.

Anthony Alexander Antonio, a 29-year-old who lives in Delaware, pleaded guilty to a felony count of obstruction of an official proceeding and aiding and abetting. The guilty plea came the same day the Supreme Court agreed to take up a challenge to the obstruction of an official proceeding charge.

At an early hearing in his case, Antonio's attorney Joseph Hurley said that Fox News “played constantly” in his home for six months.

“He became hooked with what I call ‘Foxitus’ or ‘Foxmania’ and became interested in the political aspect and started believing what was being fed to him," Hurley said.

After taking possession of a shield that had been stolen from police, Antonio shoved his way to the front of the crowd and watched as rioters dragged an officer down a set of stairs. Antonio "sprayed water and threw his water bottle in the direction of the officer who was being dragged by other rioters," the statement said.

Antonio later took a police gas mask and "forcefully pushed and grappled with police officers and refused to leave the tunnel until sprayed with a chemical irritant," it said.

Antonio soon entered the Capitol through a broken window, joining other rioters in a Senate "hideaway" office. "We barricaded the door, broke everything, so we'd have something to use against 'em," he later said in an interview while on Capitol grounds on Jan. 6, according to the statement.

Violent. Terrorist.

This is not new for this defendant -- he's been saying it for two and a half years, apparently.

This is not the first person we've heard plead guilty on the grounds of "I eagerly allowed myself to believe all those falsehoods to the point of crossing the country to take part in a violent overthrow of democracy". Well, this guy's from Delaware, 2 hour drive tops.

But this one is a little different.

One, he's blaming FOX News, not Trump, forgetting the part where FOX News was broadcasting things Trump said and saying they were true. Remember that time FOX News got sued? And plead out? I remember it like it was $800 million ago...

Two, even for "I was misled" defenses, this one is transparently false. So FOX News was playing in his house nonstop for six months. Okay. Why? Is it because...you had the TV on FOX News only for six months? FOX News didn't magically turn the TV on, this isn't Poltergeist meets the Ring. FOX News was on because the violent terrorist turned it on, and nothing else.

"I got sick and it's not my fault. All I did was sleep outside every single day in January in Ann Arbor, Michigan."
"Why didn't you sleep in your warm house with working walls and windows?"
"I wasn't thinking clearly, I was sick from sleeping in freezing temperatures for a month, it didn't occur to me to sleep in the house."

AAA wasn't dragged into the crazy against his will. He invited it. He bought front-row tickets to the crazy concert, then jumped in the mosh pit.

[Endus]

AAA wasn't dragged into the crazy against his will. He invited it. He bought front-row tickets to the crazy concert, then jumped in the mosh pit.

Yep. People don't get radicalized like this against their will. They choose the media they expose themselves to, because it's radicalizing and they like that, because they want a reason to get violent and abusive. It feeds that desire. It isn't something being inflicted upon them from outside. It's one thing if you're a 16 year old kid raised in a house that only ever plays Fox because your parents are already radicals, but if you're an adult, nah. It's all you, being a shit person and making shitty, harmful choices. None of this is a defense. It isn't Fox News' fault. It's just an admission of his own guilt and culpability. It should be treated as a confession of intentional and deliberate malice, not a factor that should reduce his sentence.

[Kokolums]

Its really stupid at this point for the government to continue to attack 1/6ers or people adjacent to it. We are effectively at war with Russia. Putin is eventually going to turn this issue against America by funding and organizing the 1/6ers into a revolutionary force if we keep going down this path. We think its a great ida to arm and fund Ukraine against Russia, but we dont realize Putin can do something similar to us. If the 1/6ers figure out they can actually win by getting help from Putin, oh boy this will be 1000x worse than it is now.

Best to let the issue go.

[Shadowferal]

Its really stupid at this point for the government to continue to attack 1/6ers or people adjacent to it. We are effectively at war with Russia. Putin is eventually going to turn this issue against America by funding and organizing the 1/6ers into a revolutionary force if we keep going down this path. We think its a great ida to arm and fund Ukraine against Russia, but we dont realize Putin can do something similar to us. If the 1/6ers figure out they can actually win by getting help from Putin, oh boy this will be 1000x worse than it is now. Best to let the issue go.

It's really stupid to desire zero consequences for crimes committed.

[Jastall]

It's really stupid to desire zero consequences for crimes committed.

The poster you're quoting actively wants a second American civil war. I wouldn't give them the time of the day if I were you.

[cordrann]

Its really stupid at this point for the government to continue to attack 1/6ers or people adjacent to it. We are effectively at war with Russia. Putin is eventually going to turn this issue against America by funding and organizing the 1/6ers into a revolutionary force if we keep going down this path. We think its a great ida to arm and fund Ukraine against Russia, but we dont realize Putin can do something similar to us. If the 1/6ers figure out they can actually win by getting help from Putin, oh boy this will be 1000x worse than it is now.

Best to let the issue go.

Get a grip. We are not at war with Russia, and if Putin was capable of this it would have happened already.

[Endus]

Its really stupid at this point for the government to continue to attack 1/6ers or people adjacent to it.

If they committed crimes, they should be prosecuted. That's not a complicated idea.

We are effectively at war with Russia.

1> No, you aren't.
2> Even if you were, international issues have no relevance to domestic issues.

Putin is eventually going to turn this issue against America by funding and organizing the 1/6ers into a revolutionary force if we keep going down this path.

Fuck 'em. They're pathetic shitheads and if they want to become traitors and seditionists, the USA has the prisons to handle them. It's super fuckin' weird to think an impoverished nation like Russia is going to be able to turn Americans against America.

At best, it's a statement on how fuckin' delusional, malicious and stupid that segment of the American population are.

We think its a great ida to arm and fund Ukraine against Russia, but we dont realize Putin can do something similar to us.

They literally can't. Russia doesn't have the weapons, dude. If they did, they'd use 'em on Ukraine. Red Dawn isn't gonna be a reality. Modern Russia is a paper tiger.

If the 1/6ers figure out they can actually win by getting help from Putin, oh boy this will be 1000x worse than it is now.

How, exactly? Even if they get properly armed, they'll get to deal with the entire American military. Some smuggled AK-47s aren't gonna help you against modern armored vehicles.

Best to let the issue go.

Nah. Best to lock all these fuckers up before it becomes a problem.

You're just being openly seditious, at this point.

[Kaleredar]

Its really stupid at this point for the government to continue to attack 1/6ers or people adjacent to it. We are effectively at war with Russia. Putin is eventually going to turn this issue against America by funding and organizing the 1/6ers into a revolutionary force if we keep going down this path. We think its a great ida to arm and fund Ukraine against Russia, but we dont realize Putin can do something similar to us. If the 1/6ers figure out they can actually win by getting help from Putin, oh boy this will be 1000x worse than it is now.

Best to let the issue go.

I’ve told you this before and I’ll say it again:

The just will not fear the unjust.



The US is fully capable of aiding Ukraine AND jailing violent insurrectionists. It’s been doing both for a while now.

Besides, if you’re so worried about the insurrectionists “doing bad things by getting help from Putin,” you know where they’ll find it far harder to contact the outside world and do bad things? In jail.

[Edge-]

Its really stupid at this point for the government to continue to attack 1/6ers or people adjacent to it.

Justice is justice, bro.

We are effectively at war with Russia.

We are not even close to war with Russia.

Putin is eventually going to turn this issue against America

Given how the Russian army has struggled in Ukraine...how? With what air force? With what navy? Hasn't their navy been losing ships despite Ukraine not even having a navy?

by funding and organizing the 1/6ers into a revolutionary force if we keep going down this path.

This is genuinely, truly fantasy fiction thinking. Unhinged stuff. 100% on brand for you, sadly.

We think its a great ida to arm and fund Ukraine against Russia, but we dont realize Putin can do something similar to us.

Aren't Russians using NK produced shells with something like a 40% failure rate? Do you think Y'all Qaeda is equivalent of the Ukranian military? I'm skeptical that the Gravy Seals are really the serious, hard operators they claim to be. Most of their tacticool gear is pretty ill-fitting.

If the 1/6ers figure out they can actually win by getting help from Putin, oh boy this will be 1000x worse than it is now.

Lemme know how a force of a few thousand anti-government conspiracy theorists with only a few members with any formal military training and largely small arms do in fighting against say, the National Guard.

Best to let the issue go.

We did this in the 40's with the right wing Nazi's in America, including those in government. We shouldn't repeat the same mistake again.

This is such a depressingly predictable post on your part. Do better.

[Flarelaine]

We did this in the 40's with the right wing Nazi's in America, including those in government. We shouldn't repeat the same mistake again.

What's worse, you did it in the 1870's and it's been festering ever since.

[Shadowferal]

Aren't Russians using NK produced shells with something like a 40% failure rate?

I'm skeptical that the Gravy Seals are really the serious, hard operators they claim to be. Most of their tacticool gear is pretty ill-fitting.

There's an idea...pity it can't be refined.

[Dontrike]

Its really stupid at this point for the government to continue to attack 1/6ers or people adjacent to it. We are effectively at war with Russia. Putin is eventually going to turn this issue against America by funding and organizing the 1/6ers into a revolutionary force if we keep going down this path. We think its a great ida to arm and fund Ukraine against Russia, but we dont realize Putin can do something similar to us. If the 1/6ers figure out they can actually win by getting help from Putin, oh boy this will be 1000x worse than it is now.

Best to let the issue go.

We shouldn't go after terrorists because other things are happening in the world?..........That is monumentally stupid.

[unfilteredJW]

Its really stupid at this point for the government to continue to attack 1/6ers or people adjacent to it. We are effectively at war with Russia. Putin is eventually going to turn this issue against America by funding and organizing the 1/6ers into a revolutionary force if we keep going down this path. We think its a great ida to arm and fund Ukraine against Russia, but we dont realize Putin can do something similar to us. If the 1/6ers figure out they can actually win by getting help from Putin, oh boy this will be 1000x worse than it is now.

Best to let the issue go.

I'm shocked you are siding with violent insurrectionists.