Capitol Insurrection / rebellion thread

[Machismo]

Also, don’t announce when you won’t be home for long periods of time, like vacation. Do not post about your first pet, if it’s your secret word at a bank. Most hacking is done through social engineering, not development of new tools.

I love the eagerness of Americans and their desire to overshare. I have caught myself on more than one occasion posting more about myself than I should on this site.

It's weird how important even mundane information can be when constructing profiles. Locations are obviously a big one, but even shopping habits, word usage, and photos of other things are huge.

The two that people never seem to think about are using the same username on multiple platforms, and the web of their friends and contact lists on platforms. It's astounding how many people are "friends" with their burner accounts they use to spread their bullshit propaganda, and how often those accounts can easily be linked to real names. On Facebook, if you see a troll account, simply checking the url will often give the real name. Otherwise, checking their friends list, or the friends of those friends will almost always yield results. They want someone they are personally friends with to know that they are both accounts.

[Levelfive]

"Here's video of @GovLarryHogan saying Maryland's National Guard was repeatedly denied authorization to deploy to defend Congress on Wednesday during the 90 minutes after a panicked phone call from senior House and Senate leaders who were hiding from the president's mob"

https://twitter.com/RobertMackey/sta...369175553?s=20

[Machismo]

"Here's video of @GovLarryHogan saying Maryland's National Guard was repeatedly denied authorization to deploy to defend Congress on Wednesday during the 90 minutes after a panicked phone call from senior House and Senate leaders who were hiding from the president's mob"

https://twitter.com/RobertMackey/sta...369175553?s=20

Thank you for this.

This crushes Trump's attempt to lie, about the deployment of the National Guard. There will be no revising the actions of Trump, nobody with any clout is ging to cover for him.

His administration will go down in flames, and the GOP were always going to jump ship once they knew he had nothing else to offer.

Edit: One thing to note from this... he was called by the Secretary of the Army. this was the military's showing they will get involved in political issues when the need arises.

[Magical Mudcrab]

"Here's video of @GovLarryHogan saying Maryland's National Guard was repeatedly denied authorization to deploy to defend Congress on Wednesday during the 90 minutes after a panicked phone call from senior House and Senate leaders who were hiding from the president's mob"

https://twitter.com/RobertMackey/sta...369175553?s=20

Though information is limited, the more that comes out the more it seems as though either Trump, or someone high in the Pentagon, was intentionally denying protection to the senators.

[Machismo]

Though information is limited, the more that comes out the more it seems as though either Trump, or someone high in the Pentagon, was intentionally denying protection to the senators.

the list of people that it could have been is very, very limited. Since Pence was in the building, as was Congress... it would have only been Trump, his Chief of Staff, or the person holding Trump's cell phone. There's no doubt Pence and/or his men called Trump directly, so the list of people who denied the deployment is... basically just Trump.

Remember how pissed of Pence was when they reconvened? It would appear we know why... Trump just endangered Pence's life to save the last two weeks of his fucking career.

[Levelfive]

Though information is limited, the more that comes out the more it seems as though either Trump, or someone high in the Pentagon, was intentionally denying protection to the senators.

I linked to it here:

A couple updates (I tried to catch up but apologies if someone linked this stuff already): The police officer is (re)confirmed to have died. Trump "didn't wait two hours" to call the National Guard, because by all accounts it was Pence who finally authorized the National Guard. I feel like this story in particular about the Pentagon should be getting a wee bit more attention than it is: https://twitter.com/DarkWebWarrior/s...487916032?s=20

More here: "Pentagon limited DC National Guard before pro-Trump protests"

Lastly, I think people are right that Kokolums' timing is certainly not a coincidence even if he's been prophesying about it for years--he seems quite clearly plugged in to sites where the plotting and t-shirt making took place.

Edited to clarify link.

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Thank you for this.

This crushes Trump's attempt to lie, about the deployment of the National Guard. There will be no revising the actions of Trump, nobody with any clout is ging to cover for him.

His administration will go down in flames, and the GOP were always going to jump ship once they knew he had nothing else to offer.

Edit: One thing to note from this... he was called by the Secretary of the Army. this was the military's showing they will get involved in political issues when the need arises.

Check this out, too: "Subsequent reporting has suggested that acting Secretary of Defense Chris Miller “consulted” with Pence on the matter, along with senior congressional leadership.

But even that still raises questions, given that Pence lacks any statutory authority over the military and that President Trump remains commander-in-chief.

Dr. Lindsay Cohn, an associate professor at the Naval War College and an expert in civil-military relations, told TPM that while Pence being consulted didn’t implicate any chain of command issues, it did reflect a “leadership vacuum.”

“The inference that I would draw is that the President was not interested in being involved in that discussion at all,” Cohn said. “That’s consistent with the overall lack of planning that we saw – there seems to have been an overall lack of leadership from the White House on planing and preparation for this, for what we all consider to have been a fairly predictable day of unrest.”

D.C. Mayor Muriel Bowser, along with congressional leadership, asked the Pentagon to approve a request to activate the D.C. National Guard on Wednesday before receiving an initial refusal."

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckra...um-during-riot

[Machismo]

I linked to it here:

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Check this out, too: "Subsequent reporting has suggested that acting Secretary of Defense Chris Miller “consulted” with Pence on the matter, along with senior congressional leadership.

But even that still raises questions, given that Pence lacks any statutory authority over the military and that President Trump remains commander-in-chief.

Dr. Lindsay Cohn, an associate professor at the Naval War College and an expert in civil-military relations, told TPM that while Pence being consulted didn’t implicate any chain of command issues, it did reflect a “leadership vacuum.”

“The inference that I would draw is that the President was not interested in being involved in that discussion at all,” Cohn said. “That’s consistent with the overall lack of planning that we saw – there seems to have been an overall lack of leadership from the White House on planing and preparation for this, for what we all consider to have been a fairly predictable day of unrest.”

D.C. Mayor Muriel Bowser, along with congressional leadership, asked the Pentagon to approve a request to activate the D.C. National Guard on Wednesday before receiving an initial refusal."

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckra...um-during-riot

This is all going to come out over the next few months, including media interviews. There may be congressional hearings (I think there's no doubt they will happen), and the story of who was making what calls to whom will be fully discussed. Let's not forget, every fucking one of these GOP congressmen and Pence were complicit, until their asses were on the line. Every. Fucking. One.

Congressmen and Pence were frantically making calls, and were being rebuffed By the administration. At some point, the chain of command broke down, and they simply decided to act on their own in the face of that vacuum of leadership. Since Pence was one of those people, and eventually got them to go forward with the deployment... that only leaves one man to be the problem.

Fuck Trump, he's a shitty Nazi.

[gondrin]

the list of people that it could have been is very, very limited. Since Pence was in the building, as was Congress... it would have only been Trump, his Chief of Staff, or the person holding Trump's cell phone. There's no doubt Pence and/or his men called Trump directly, so the list of people who denied the deployment is... basically just Trump.

Remember how pissed of Pence was when they reconvened? It would appear we know why... Trump just endangered Pence's life to save the last two weeks of his fucking career.

I don't think it was to save the last two weeks of his career.

I apologize for this ahead of time if it is against the rules but knowing Trump, and the fact he does try to act like a mob boss, he tried to use the crowd to kill Pence and most of his political enemies knowing full well how violent that his supporters can be because those people went against him. He told them to do it, he removed himself from the area, he watched it on TV, he was ecstatic when they broke in and purposefully refused to call the National Guard(rumored).

But in typical Trumpian fashion, not only did it backfire and basically ruined the small chance at him being a free man for rest of his life(he most assuredly is going to prison for a multitude of crimes pertaining to this), but took out his family(there was a chance of this happening but far greater now), took out the GOP for years to come and, in a not so cruel fate, ruined hundreds(maybe thousands or more) of his supporters lives by make his supporters now hated and a recognized terrorist group.

[Felya]

This is all going to come out over the next few months, including media interviews. There may be congressional hearings (I think there's no doubt they will happen), and the story of who was making what calls to whom will be fully discussed. Let's not forget, every fucking one of these GOP congressmen and Pence were complicit, until their asses were on the line. Every. Fucking. One.

Congressmen and Pence were frantically making calls, and were being rebuffed By the administration. At some point, the chain of command broke down, and they simply decided to act on their own in the face of that vacuum of leadership. Since Pence was one of those people, and eventually got them to go forward with the deployment... that only leaves one man to be the problem.

Fuck Trump, he's a shitty Nazi.

The cop death means there is a federal investigation... they killed a cop while carrying a desecrated American flag, lying that it means ‘Blue Lives Mater’... it’s just racist...

[jonnysensible]

The cop death means there is a federal investigation... they killed a cop while carrying a desecrated American flag, lying that it means ‘Blue Lives Mater’... it’s just racist...

beat a cop to death with a fire extinguisher

https://twitter.com/stevennelson10/s...00228264308737

id be starting the investigation here ^

[Machismo]

I don't think it was to save the last two weeks of his career.

I apologize for this ahead of time if it is against the rules but knowing Trump, and the fact he does try to act like a mob boss, he tried to use the crowd to kill Pence and most of his political enemies knowing full well how violent that his supporters can be because those people went against him. He told them to do it, he removed himself from the area, he watched it on TV, he was ecstatic when they broke in and purposefully refused to call the National Guard(rumored).

But in typical Trumpian fashion, not only did it backfire and basically ruined the small chance at him being a free man for rest of his life(he most assuredly is going to prison for a multitude of crimes pertaining to this), but took out his family(there was a chance of this happening but far greater now), took out the GOP for years to come and, in a not so cruel fate, ruined hundreds(maybe thousands or more) of his supporters lives by make his supporters now hated and a recognized terrorist group.

I'm not going to attribute murderous intent to him, but wouldn't discount it altogether. Personally, I feel it's more of a "Fuck them all" mentality. Personally, i think he probably just didn't pick up the phone.

[RadasNoir]

I don't think it was to save the last two weeks of his career.

I apologize for this ahead of time if it is against the rules but knowing Trump, and the fact he does try to act like a mob boss, he tried to use the crowd to kill Pence and most of his political enemies knowing full well how violent that his supporters can be because those people went against him. He told them to do it, he removed himself from the area, he watched it on TV, he was ecstatic when they broke in and purposefully refused to call the National Guard(rumored).

But in typical Trumpian fashion, not only did it backfire and basically ruined the small chance at him being a free man for rest of his life(he most assuredly is going to prison for a multitude of crimes pertaining to this), but took out his family(there was a chance of this happening but far greater now), took out the GOP for years to come and, in a not so cruel fate, ruined hundreds(maybe thousands or more) of his supporters lives by make his supporters now hated and a recognized terrorist group.

Yeah, it was straight up an attempt at a coup.

But, like, one of the most impotent and incompetent coup attempts in the history of the world.

[Machismo]

The cop death means there is a federal investigation... they killed a cop while carrying a desecrated American flag, lying that it means ‘Blue Lives Mater’... it’s just racist...

There will be an investigation, because Congressmen were genuinely scared for their lives, and the Dems control Congress. The Sergeant-at-arms and the head of the Capitol Police are already gone, and more heads will roll.

I'd love to see Trump called to testify before Pelosi and Congress in 4 months time.

[Levelfive]

Good job, "patriots"! You let a con man convince you to try to overthrow our democracy in order to install low-IQ Hitler as a tyrant monarch against the will of the people. It IS 1776, and you're the fucking Tories, you ignorant extremist anti-American pus bags. (That's the general 'you,' not any specific fucking ignorant extremist anti-American Tory pus bag.)

"Putin Gleeful After Trumpsters’ Violent Insurrection
PARTING GIFT

Bemoaning Biden’s election, Russian state media talking heads consoled themselves with the thought that Trump fatally undermined democracy on his way out."

https://www.thedailybeast.com/putin-...ection?via=ios

And in Surprising No One news: Report: Trump Agreed To Condemn Insurrection Only After Being Warned Of Potential Criminal Probe

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/r...criminal-probe

ETA: "“The demonstrators who infiltrated the capitol have defiled the seat of American democracy,” Trump said in the new video while reading off a script. “To those who engaged in the acts of violence and destruction, you do not represent our country and to those who broke the law, you will pay.”"

What does the underside of that bus look like, "patriots"?

[szechuan]

beat a cop to death with a fire extinguisher

https://twitter.com/stevennelson10/s...00228264308737

id be starting the investigation here ^

Anybody who is still a Trump supporter should be ashamed of themselves. Because of Trump's Yesterday actions a Police Officer died and ignored calls from the Mayor to deploy the national guard.

Trump needs to be impeached with no pardon immediately.

[Endus]

The cop death means there is a federal investigation... they killed a cop while carrying a desecrated American flag, lying that it means ‘Blue Lives Mater’... it’s just racist...

If/when that death turns out to qualify as murder, correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't that mean that, via the felony murder rule, literally everyone who walked inside the Capitol with the rioters could be charged and convicted of murder, just by having their presence inside confirmed?

[gondrin]

If/when that death turns out to qualify as murder, correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't that mean that, via the felony murder rule, literally everyone who walked inside the Capitol with the rioters could be charged and convicted of murder, just by having their presence inside confirmed?

That is correct. Felony Murder means that if you partake in a crime, in any way, shape or form that ends in the death of someone, even if you don't kill them yourself, you will get charged as if you killed them yourself.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felony...%20accomplices

[Monster Hunter]

Just to scratch an itch that's kind of irksome, I keep seeing the word "treason" bandied about. Here's the legal definition, in the USA;

§2381. Treason
Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

The important bit is the part I put in bold.

Treason has to involve either outright war against the USA (not just domestic terror attacks), or working on behalf of the USA's enemies and supporting their cause (not a factor in a domestic concern).

The architects of the Civil War were traitors because they actually levied war against the USA, and the Confederacy was an enemy to the United States, both.

These chucklefucks aren't (ostensibly, at least) working for another entity, they're trying to "save their country". Their actions also don't remotely qualify as a "war".

Which isn't to say they're innocent. I'm quibbling over semantics. They're seditionists and insurrectionists. Those are also crimes.

§2383. Rebellion or insurrection
Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

§2384. Seditious conspiracy
If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.

It's a small distinction, but one that matters. Don't give the MAGA nuts the semantic excuse of being technically correct on the particular flavor of crime they're committing.

There's also a fair legal argument that the confederates wernt treasonus as the confederacy wasn't recognised internally or internationally by any real powers as a separate state from the USA, though the confederates were desperate to get that recognition.

Similarity reasons why those who went and joined isis arnt done for treason, because legally the Islamic state was never recognised as a state.

[gondrin]

There's also a fair legal argument that the confederates wernt treasonus as the confederacy wasn't recognised internally or internationally by any real powers as a separate state from the USA, though the confederates were desperate to get that recognition.

Similarity reasons why those who went and joined isis arnt done for treason, because legally the Islamic state was never recognised as a state.

However, the US government did declare war on any group that is labeled a terrorist group. So in a stretch(and this is a long stretch), they could name these people terrorists and that could be their justification. Not sure how that would play out though.

[Levelfive]

The stuff these people actually believe is almost heartbreaking--they're in a black hole of abject delusion and paranoia and I don't see how there could be a path back to sanity for them:

"We reviewed scores of social media posts — many of them public — welcoming violence leading up to Wednesday’s attack."

https://twitter.com/propublica/statu...31281173028865