Capitol Insurrection / rebellion thread

[Timester]

Uhm, what a strangely structured post, what are you saying exactly? The British founded the colonies n the King was the legitimate ruler.

You know that the American Revolution started from the complete lack of colonial representation on the Parliement?

[Ihavewaffles]

If the US would have lost the war, then the insurrectionists would have been charged with treason, sedition and insurrection and history would be very different. And this is coming from an american who knows full well the consequences of it. The problem there is that the people were rebelling for the fact that the King wouldn't allow the colonies any form of representation in parliament. The people had no issue with taxation, just the fact that they had no say in it.

You realize that is not practical in any way? Britain can't allow that for all their empire, it would end up being India running the show due to their numbers. It would no longer be a British empire, thus your claims were unreasonable.

[Machismo]

If the US would have lost the war, then the insurrectionists would have been charged with treason, sedition and insurrection and history would be very different. And this is coming from an american who knows full well the consequences of it. The problem there is that the people were rebelling for the fact that the King wouldn't allow the colonies any form of representation in parliament. The people had no issue with taxation, just the fact that they had no say in it.

These people here had their say(vote) and it wasn't greater then the other side. Sorry but these people don't get to rebel because they can't handle the outcome that may go against them. They should all be charged under the acts of sedition and insurrection due to this. You want to LARP a revolutionary, deal with the consequences that come after them.

Well, they can rebel all they want... and they can be put down as a result. When the woman was shot on camera, you could see everyone about her very surprised that it had just happened, and they had no clue what to do.

One can be sure that the police and authorities will not be nearly as passive if this happens again. You can bet your ass that every member of the DC Metro Police and Capitol Police has been "briefed" on the poor optics of them being buddies with rioters. "Either you do you fucking jobs, or you lose the one thing you care most about... your pensions."

And yes, the DC Metro Police, and especially the Capitol Police voluntarily let this happen.

[Monster Hunter]

However, the US government did declare war on any group that is labeled a terrorist group. So in a stretch(and this is a long stretch), they could name these people terrorists and that could be their justification. Not sure how that would play out though.

Mmmm they would need to some how satisfying the state part of the law, and that would mean recognising trumps america as a separate state legally, which has bigger draw backs.

Its easier to just pile up charges and get similar sentences.

Sedation is the better and more correct term and law to refer to it, though its ofc less fantastical to invoke in an argument

[Timester]

You realize that is not practical in any way? Britain can't allow that for all their empire, it would end up being India running the show due to their numbers. It would no longer be a British empire, thus your claims were unreasonable.

Time travelling British Empire? India wasn't even part of the Empire during the 1700s.

[Kathranis]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...3a1_story.html

So, federal and state prosecutors declaring that they will be going hard on the perpetrators. Initial charges are mainly felony trespassing as it's easily provable, but additional charges are likely to follow, with everything on the table from conspiracy to sedition.

They intend to use Trump's June executive order as a blueprint for prosecution, which requires a minimum ten year federal prison sentence for participating in activity resulting in the damaging or vandalising of government property. An executive order originally targetting BLM protesters.

It's also likely that many will be charged with crossing state lines to commit a crime, crossing state lines with a firearm, etc. Additionally, with the homicide death of a DC police officer, murder charges are now on the table.

Normally, cases stemming from protests and riots can be difficult to prosecute due to a lack of evidence, but thankfully most of these dipshits spent the last 48 hours gleefully broadcasting their crimes and doxing themselves on social media.

Nearly 70 arrests have already been made, with more to come in the following days and weeks.

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And after horrors of REAL nazis regime in our cities, another 50+ yrs of communists. So for f*** sake, think for a second before you say anything dumb again. Thanks.

Hey, pal, a bunch of the participants have been identified as members and leaders of white supremacist and neo-nazi organizations. They literally want to overthrow our democracy to prop up a fascist regime under Trump.

If Trump had been declared winner, dem mobs would prob burn down washington n the white house...

Yeah, we all remember January 21, 2017, the day millions of women in pussy hats conquered DC.

[gondrin]

You realize that is not practical in any way? Britain can't allow that for all their empire, it would end up being India running the show due to their numbers. It would no longer be a British empire, thus your claims were unreasonable.

Just because they would get a say doesn't mean that it would do a whole lot. The people only wanted a vote and were refused the ability to cast their vote like all other British citizens. Basically, it was British citizens rebelling against their own government because the King decided they were second class citizens not afforded a vote. Much different then India.

[Monster Hunter]

You realize that is not practical in any way? Britain can't allow that for all their empire, it would end up being India running the show due to their numbers. It would no longer be a British empire, thus your claims were unreasonable.

Americans think there demands for representation were reasonable and something others got.

They forget at that time very few in England had representation.

What the founding fathers did was make a demand they knew was impossible for Britain and the king to give, they asked for the sky essentially, if america had gotten representation whilst 90% of the UK still couldn't vote... it would have been open revolt in the UK.

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Just because they would get a say doesn't mean that it would do a whole lot. The people only wanted a vote and were refused the ability to cast their vote like all other British citizens. Basically, it was British citizens rebelling against their own government because the King decided they were second class citizens not afforded a vote. Much different then India.

90% of British citizens couldn't vote at that time.

The history of UK suffrage is very different to the USA.

Working class men didn't get the vote untill 1918.
Women in 1920.

Britain was not a democracy untill 1918, it was an oligarchy, only the rich were allowed to vote and decide the course of the nation.

Hell it was even worse in the 1700s, the first electoral reform wouldn't happen untill the 1830s that reduced the ammount of wealth you needed to vote but still kept out 90% of citizens. So at the time of the American revolution barely 1-2% all of which being lords of the aristocracy could vote.

Yes...my great grandpa wasn't allowed to vote for the first part of his life, only after he came back from ww1 did he get the right to vote. Let that sink in.

[beanman12345]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...3a1_story.html

So, federal and state prosecutors declaring that they will be going hard on the perpetrators. Initial charges are mainly felony trespassing as it's easily provable, but additional charges are likely to follow, with everything on the table from conspiracy to sedition.

They intend to use Trump's June executive order as a blueprint for prosecution, which requires a minimum ten year federal prison sentence for participating in activity resulting in the damaging or vandalising of government property. An executive order originally targetting BLM protesters.

It's also likely that many will be charged with crossing state lines to commit a crime, crossing state lines with a firearm, etc. Additionally, with the homicide death of a DC police officer, murder charges are now on the table.

Normally, cases stemming from protests and riots can be difficult to prosecute due to a lack of evidence, but thankfully most of these dipshits spent the last 48 hours gleefully broadcasting their crimes and doxing themselves on social media.

Nearly 70 arrests have already been made, with more to come in the following days and weeks.

ROFL, the one executive order biden won't be trying to overturn, at least not in his early years, just so that the feds can use it against trumpers. Beautiful.

[Machismo]

Americans think there demands for representation were reasonable and something others got.

They forget at that time very few in England had representation.

What the founding fathers did was make a demand they knew was impossible for Britain and the king to give, they asked for the sky essentially, if america had gotten representation whilst 90% of the UK still couldn't vote... it would have been open revolt in the UK.

Well, England was free to try and stop him.

And, as the great Patrick once said:

"Fuck around, and find out."

[gondrin]

Americans think there demands for representation were reasonable and something others got.

They forget at that time very few in England had representation.

What the founding fathers did was make a demand they knew was impossible for Britain and the king to give, they asked for the sky essentially, if america had gotten representation whilst 90% of the UK still couldn't vote... it would have been open revolt in the UK.

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90% of British citizens couldn't vote at that time.

The history of UK suffrage is very different to the USA.

Working class men didn't get the vote untill 1918.
Women in 1920.

Fair enough. Learn something new every day.

[Ripster42]

Yeeaaah nope. You were Rochana for 8 years, then you've switched names three times since in less than half a year. That's not "I do it all the time" territory.

But whatever. You do you.



It's ironic that you, of all people, call me a bully because, well...



...yep, that didn't take long.

Stay classy. But I'll also take your advice (for what it's worth), because there's nothing of real conversational value here.

Their other account was also 'true anarch' for a long time then started switching names a lot. Weird how that pattern is holding true here.

[zealo]

You realize that is not practical in any way? Britain can't allow that for all their empire, it would end up being India running the show due to their numbers. It would no longer be a British empire, thus your claims were unreasonable.

Please go read up on history a bit if you're going to post about it.

The bulk of Britain's acquisition of India took place after what was then the Thirteen Colonies rebelling and gaining independence, in the late 18th and 19th century.

[gondrin]

On a lighter side, I guess you'll be able to smell the seditionists come from a mile away.

https://twitter.com/AXE/status/1347325351668682752

[Ripster42]

Please go read up on history a bit if you're going to post about it.

The bulk of Britain's acquisition of India took place after what was then the Thirteen Colonies rebelling and gaining independence, in the late 18th and 19th century.

It was the dutch who had the biggest presence in india out of the european powers back then right? During the 17th and early 18th century?

[Monster Hunter]

The danger is obviously now millions of Americans larping that they live in a occupied country and acting accordingly.

Im predicting 2021's word of the year will be compound as in

'police raided the compound'
'the explosives were found at the compound'
'17 dead at the compound'

On a lighter note @Monster Hunter if we can get 200 football lads together we can take america back for the queen

Haha yea, then at last they will at least have a female head of state haha

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You know that the American Revolution started from the complete lack of colonial representation on the Parliement?

As I pointed out in another post, untill 1918 only the very wealth had the right to vote.

America wasn't asking for something every one else had at the time.

It was asking for something very unique.

Which was kinda the point, the founding fathers didn't want peace, they asked for things they knew they couldn't get specifically to justify there rebellion.

[zealo]

It was the dutch who had the biggest presence in india out of the european powers back then right? During the 17th and early 18th century?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maratha_Empire

Start here. These guys controlled a huge chunk of India during the 18th century, having expanded at the expense of the Mughals, which in turn were ended by the EIC in the early 19th century.

[Edge-]

Wait wait

The guy that died of a heart attack...it was caused when he accidentally tazed himself?

Is this real life?

[Belize]

We truly live in the worst timeline when an ice cream brand has to put out a statement disavowing white supremacy and condemning a violent coup.

[Timester]

We truly live in the worst timeline when an ice cream brand has to put out a statement disavowing white supremacy and condemning a violent coup.

"Good flavors on both sides"