Capitol Insurrection / rebellion thread

[jonnysensible]

Plenty. Although to be fair it's mostly the Anarcho capitalist dribble. You tend to see those more in America.

And your own excepts are a perfect reflection of the utter pie in the sky bullshit they espouse that gets skull fucked the moment it meets reality. So regardless you have your own self to blame because for what you linked what I said 100% applies. You may want to indulge the fantasies of the high school kid who managed to sow an anarchy patch on his back pack and is super proud because he did it all by himself. I'll pass just like I pass on the tax is theft idiots. Technically it'd be extortion if you really want to go that route, but even that's a dumb argument.

The idea is nice. But when it meets reality you'd be a complete and utter fucking idiot to think it'll work. Trump's gone. I don't see any reason I'd desire to argue for a system of government that is even more impractical and stupid than Trump as president was.

you dont seem to have a developed understanding of anarchist thought so i was curious what specific book you have read to lead you to the whole : its 'school kids' '2 year olds' blah blah. Im not an anarchist so im not going to proselytize. it seems to be going okay for the Zapatistas.

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[shimerra]

you dont seem to have a developed understanding of anarchist thought so i was curious what specific book you have read to lead you to the whole : its 'school kids' '2 year olds' blah blah. Im not an anarchist so im not going to proselytize. it seems to be going okay for the Zapatistas.

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endus the marx Leninist confirmed

I get the thinking. People like yourself always say we don't get it. We do. It's just stupid. And honestly if you agree with their thought's I'd argue you're the one who has no clue what they're actually saying or their thoughts. Because if you did you'd see it for the bullshit it is just like Qannon nonsense.

But again even if you hadn't I can reexplain to you why even what you linked me is completely bullshit/impractical nonsense if you'd like.


@Endus put it much more nicely and detailed but basically that. Anarchy the political equivalent of a two year old trying to perform brain surgery. While seeing a little two year old in scrubs could be cute, you definitely don't want him around when it comes to actually performing surgery or in the case of reality: keep it as far away from how things should be run as you can.

[Milchshake]

I get the thinking. It's just stupid. And honestly if you agree with their thought's I'd argue you're the one who has no clue what they're actually saying or their thoughts.

I'd just say this "credential checking" is pretty UnAnarchist. Creating a hierarchy based on "what books you have read" is a real bougie move.


Sounds even more Tory in a Oxbridge accent

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I don't pretend to be well versed on anarchist theory or anything, but it does seem that the general understanding of anarchy remains -

[Endus]

endus the marx Leninist confirmed

Liberal market socialist, thanks.

Which I've literally always been super clear about.

I'm a liberal market socialist, by ideology.

as a liberal market socialist

1> I'm not a Marxist. I'm a liberal market socialist.

Not a communist. Liberal market socialist. Pretty significantly different.

I'm a liberal market socialist, ideologically.

And that's limiting myself to one quote a year.

Worst-kept secret in the damned world.

[Machismo]

I don't pretend to be well versed on anarchist theory or anything, but it does seem that the general understanding of anarchy remains -

Thank you for this.

[jonnysensible]

Liberal market socialist, thanks.

its ok we can fix this with a struggle session.

[shimerra]

I'd just say this "credential checking" is pretty UnAnarchist. Creating a hierarchy based on "what books you have read" is a real bougie move.


Sounds even more Tory in a Oxbridge accent

Anarchists are the perfect example of assholes who don't have to live with the consequences of their terrible ideas and get to keep thinking them because the society they rail against allows them the comfort to do so. They're the political version of an anti-vaxxer in a world where most people are vaccinated against the disease. They get to enjoy herd immunity and the fact that the vaccine essentially wipes out the virus while not having to suffer the consequences of their own ignorance.


Regardless as I told him I was primarily addressing what he posted. And if he feels there's a better example than the nonsense he posted which basically amounts "we'll do the thing and it will work because we will then have done the thing and thus make the bad people never want to do the bad thing", then he can provide it.

Anarchists, left or right, are basically an even less smart version of Libertarians. Because at least most libertarian's acknowledge that some level of government will exist. They just want it to be as small as it can be.

[TigTone]

Anarchists are the perfect example of assholes who don't have to live with the consequences of their terrible ideas and get to keep thinking them because the society they rail against allows them the comfort to do so. They're the political version of an anti-vaxxer in a world where most people are vaccinated against the disease. They get to enjoy herd immunity and the fact that the vaccine essentially wipes out the virus while not having to suffer the consequences of their own ignorance.


Regardless as I told him I was primarily addressing what he posted. And if he feels there's a better example than the nonsense he posted which basically amounts "we'll do the thing and it will work because we will then have done the thing and thus make the bad people never want to do the bad thing", then he can provide it.

Anarchists, left or right, are basically an even less smart version of Libertarians. Because at least most libertarian's acknowledge that some level of government will exist. They just want it to be as small as it can be.

Anarchism is stupid. It simply cannot exist in a species that is social and survives in groups.

All social species regardless of how intelligent they maybe have rules and role set for its members.

And those roles/rules are enforced by the majority because there is always outliers trying to cause chaos intentionally/unintentionally. Which in the end is harmful to the survival to the species.

[JohnBrown1917]

Anarchism is stupid. It simply cannot exist in a species that is social and survives in groups.

All social species regardless of how intelligent they maybe have rules and role set for its members.

And those roles/rules are enforced by the majority because there is always outliers trying to cause chaos intentionally/unintentionally. Which in the end is harmful to the survival to the species.

Anarchism has plenty of rules, have any of you actually ever read about any anarchist philosophers.


Anarchism is not about not having or rules or no government.

[Felya]

Anarchists are the perfect example of assholes who don't have to live with the consequences of their terrible ideas and get to keep thinking them because the society they rail against allows them the comfort to do so.

Too far... 8 hours to work, 8 to rest and 8 for recreation... is in part thanks to Anarchist.

[TigTone]

Anarchism has plenty of rules, have any of you actually ever read about any anarchist philosophers.


Anarchism is not about not having or rules or no government.

I went off the definition of Anarchism “belief in the abolition of all government and the organization of society on a voluntary, cooperative basis without recourse to force or compulsion.”

[Felya]

Anarchism is stupid. It simply cannot exist in a species that is social and survives in groups.

No political theory can exist in it’s most extreme form. Making Anarchist no different than the rest...

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https://twitter.com/CopingMAGA/statu...22712310009864

A MAGA story in three acts.

[Felya]

I'm not sure what else to call it but dishonesty when people try to discredit 'Anarchism' as being childish / stupid etc. and all the other pejoratives one might hear in a neo-liberal echo chamber.

That’s because the only representation of Anarchist that most people see... well... is you...

[TigTone]

No political theory can exist in it’s most extreme form. Making Anarchist no different than the rest...

No disagreement here.

There must be a balance and that balance is dependent on the culture and economic situations of the groups involved.

[jonnysensible]

I went off the definition of Anarchism “belief in the abolition of all government and the organization of society on a voluntary, cooperative basis without recourse to force or compulsion.”

heres a few decent resources if you are interested in learning why you were wrong in your other statement :

Modern intro
Classic intro
another classic intro
the Kropotkin everyone knows
Anarcho-Syndicalism: Theory and Practice
modern text
another modern text

cant seem to find anymore Graeber off the top of my head but hes a good lad (RIP)

anyway im actually done this time, not half done like last time

[JohnBrown1917]

I went off the definition of Anarchism “belief in the abolition of all government and the organization of society on a voluntary, cooperative basis without recourse to force or compulsion.”

Anarchism has so many different strains that summing it up in 1 line that does not even apply to most of them is a waste of time.

[shimerra]

Too far... 8 hours to work, 8 to rest and 8 for recreation... is in part thanks to Anarchist.

We have labor unions to thank for that in the US. I wouldn't be surprised if Anarchists glommed onto the movement, but really giving them credit for that movement? Fuck the hell off.

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I'm not sure what else to call it but dishonesty when people try to discredit 'Anarchism' as being childish / stupid etc. and all the other pejoratives one might hear in a neo-liberal echo chamber.

There are countless numbers of great anarchist philosophers that contributed to the world greatly, trying to discredit them all just seems like intentional ignorance and pointless disrespect to me. Likewise I'll echo what JohnBrown1917 is stating, Anarchism isn't "Anarchy", it has many different streams of thought, and only a few of them are about an absolute state without rules or laws to adhere to.

Be quiet Trump supporter who's for murder. There was enough of your diarrhea during the capitol riots. Anarchism discredits itself. By being a terrible idea.

[TigTone]

heres a few decent resources if you are interested in learning why you were wrong in your other statement :

Modern intro
Classic intro
another classic intro
the Kropotkin everyone knows
Anarcho-Syndicalism: Theory and Practice
modern text
another modern text

cant seem to find anymore Graeber off the top of my head but hes a good lad (RIP)

anyway im actually done this time, not half done like last time

Thank you, I’ll look into these.