1. #4101
    Quote Originally Posted by Lenonis View Post
    I don't think this is a good move. Democrats unilaterally barring someone from the other party from running would just be ammo for the GOP in 2022.

    IMO -- let Trump run again and split the GOP. He'll be old as balls and suffer from the "no one likes to vote for a loser" problem in politics. The political calculation I see is the risk of Trump getting re-elected is lower than the damage the Dems will suffer for barring him. Plus nothing would stop the GOP from revoking that in 2022 if they take back Congress.
    My take on it is that the GOP is digging itself a HUGE hole by aligning itself with Trump. Don't stop them from digging.

    Trump still being a thing in 2022 will net democrats a few Senate seats and quite a few House seats. If he is relevant in 2024, then either President Biden wins reelection handily or Vice President Harris gets promoted to President.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lenonis View Post
    Trump is at high risk of being made a martyr. IMO - let the persecution come from the justice department and courts. It'll be a lot harder to claim evil democrats attacking Trump (although they still will) if a variety of judges (including Trump appointees) declare him guilty. We all know the charges are coming whether they be financial crimes, civil fallout from his presidency, or something yet to be uncovered.

    The democratic faction of Congress taking action makes him an instant martyr and no amount of Romney votes is going to make it any less partisan in the eyes of right wing voters.

    Trump took a massive hit to his approval after the riots. Let hindsight do it's work eroding his power until he's just a cult leader and nothing more.

    And then we can all come back and gloat when he's in prison....if that happens.
    Yeah, I'm fully on board with your perspective on this - letting Trump erode after his yuge fall is the best way. Meanwhile, we can also watch him tear the GOP apart and see the multiple criminal and civil investigations blossom.

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    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b1806468.html

    "That being said, and without casting aspersions on the efforts of authorities in this regard, the defendant has experienced significant digestive tract issues for which medical consultation has been sought," the motion said.
    So shaman-bro got his organic chicken nuggies and he's still apparently got the shits. Poor guy, hopefully he's got a cell by himself so his shitstorm doesn't bother anyone else.

    "After the defendant noted former president Trump's pardoning of his friends and colleagues and Lil' Wayne, the Defendant was compelled to reconcile his prior faith in former president Trump with the actions and words of former president Trump," the motion said.
    He can reconcile that from a jail cell, kkthxbai.

    What was that oft-repeated catchphrase from not terribly long ago? If you can't do the time, don't do the crime? Yeah, I think that's applicable here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b1806468.html



    So shaman-bro got his organic chicken nuggies and he's still apparently got the shits. Poor guy, hopefully he's got a cell by himself so his shitstorm doesn't bother anyone else.



    He can reconcile that from a jail cell, kkthxbai.

    What was that oft-repeated catchphrase from not terribly long ago? If you can't do the time, don't do the crime? Yeah, I think that's applicable here.
    Also: “just because Donny told you to jump off a bridge, that doesn’t mean you should you do it?”

    ...and....

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    nice bait thread 9/10
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    Quote Originally Posted by Naiattavain View Post
    nice bait thread 9/10
    So, you have nothing to refute anything? Not surprising.

  7. #4107
    https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/26/polit...+-+Politics%29

    "I am not a criminally minded person." said a leader and active recruiter for the Oath Keepers, who stormed the Capitol building.

    She's #Canceling her membership and is very sorry she was a part of it.

    Cancel culture is truly going too far now.

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    Another tidbit was released today. https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5...akers-ahead-of

    Now they have the surveillance videos of the "tours" that were given days before the attack. If the DC US Attorney finds a staffer or Congressperson giving these tours to people that are either in custody or wanted for questioning, then those congressional staffers and the person they are tied to, should be arrested immediately.

    What is really weird about these tours, is that there is no sign in logs for these people. And there are 2 Democrats that personally saw Boebert giving personal tours between the 3rd and 6th of January.

    There has been a video I saw from inside the capitol to outside, from a person that knew about the inner workings of the capitol building.

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    CNN did an interview with the leader of the Proud Boys. Aside from spouting some apologia for Proud Boy members (excluding one) that were at the Capitol, he apparently does not believe the election was stolen as he simultaneously encouraged Proud Boys to go to the Capitol. He also attempted to take away the blame from the rioters and places it at the feet of the police and Capitol security by stating they were unprepared, and claims the Proud Boys are being targeted by the Proud Boys because the FBI wants to make an example of them. It should be noted that he has a history with the FBI, having acted as an informant for them in the past. He now has aspirations of having the Proud Boys overthrowing the government by becoming the government by putting up political candidates to run for office.

    Also, something a little culty:
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  10. #4110
    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/its-n...b6d7794ae4bbd2

    IT'S NOT FAIR I'M STILL IN JAIL! - An insurrectionist who broke into the capitol, stole government property, and threatened lawmakers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/its-n...b6d7794ae4bbd2

    IT'S NOT FAIR I'M STILL IN JAIL! - An insurrectionist who broke into the capitol, stole government property, and threatened lawmakers.
    Well, there is that saying that if you ask anyone in jail/prison, they will all tell you they are innocent. That their lawyers screwed them or some other reason why. That is why there are prisons, to keep the innocent people locked up.



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    Hmm, I hope these Congressmen have a pretty good lawyer if this happens to go anywhere.

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/04/polit...ers/index.html

    Federal investigators are examining communications between US lawmakers and Capitol rioters

    Federal investigators are examining records of communications between members of Congress and the pro-Trump mob that attacked the US Capitol, as the investigation moves closer to exploring whether lawmakers wittingly or unwittingly helped the insurrectionists, according to a US official briefed on the matter.

    The data gathered so far includes indications of contact with lawmakers in the days around January 6, as well as communications between alleged rioters discussing their associations with members of Congress, the official said.

    The existence of such communications doesn't necessarily indicate wrongdoing by lawmakers and investigators aren't yet targeting members of Congress in the investigation, the official noted. Should investigators find probable cause that lawmakers or their staffs possibly aided the insurrectionists, they could seek warrants to obtain the content of the communications. There's no indication they've taken such a step at this point.

    With about 300 people facing charges, the investigation has shifted from the roundup of what law enforcement officials consider low-hanging fruit arrests of people accused of participating in the riot to those who allegedly conspired and planned the assault to disrupt the constitutional process of congressional certification of the election results.
    Justice Department officials have assigned more than two dozen prosecutors, including some from outside Washington, to delve into more complex questions, including possible funding of insurrectionists and whether political figures, including lawmakers and staff, aided the attack, the US official said.

    Law enforcement officials say one of the first steps taken after the insurrection was to seek cell phone tower data to try to identify people at the Capitol that day, a tactic allowed under existing law. That was necessary, the officials say, because among the multiple failures that day was the US Capitol Police allowing the hundreds of people who had attacked the building to leave without arrest.

    Authorities announced only a handful of arrests on January 6, and the FBI and other agencies subsequently used a dragnet across the country to find the rioters.

    Law enforcement officers have used what they call an "exclusion list." The list lets investigators see mobile devices that were authorized to be in the Capitol -- such as for Congress members and staff, law enforcement and other government and public safety officials -- while sifting out people who were not authorized to be in the building, according to a federal court filing in a riot-related case.

    The FBI and Justice Department declined to comment.

    FBI collection of phone metadata and geolocator data -- permissible under federal law -- was the subject of multiple lines of questions this week by some senators who pressed FBI Director Christopher Wray to reveal what investigators were doing with communications and financial data. Republican Sens. Mike Lee of Utah and Josh Hawley of Missouri suggested at a hearing Tuesday that the FBI could be overstepping its authority by scooping up communications data.

    Investigators also have Capitol Police security footage that Democrats want examined to see if any members gave tours to riot participants in advance of January 6. Democrats have accused unnamed Republicans of providing rallygoers access, suggesting they were surveillance opportunities ahead of the riot.

    Other lawmakers have a separate concern, that as investigators move closer to the activities of lawmakers, some members of Congress could use the protections of the Constitution's Speech or Debate Clause to try to block the work of the FBI. The clause provides legal immunity to members of Congress when carrying out their legislative duties.

    Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse, a Rhode Island Democrat, says he's asked the Senate Ethics Committee to investigate because he believes Congress will be able to get information that the FBI may have trouble getting because of the Speech or Debate protections.

    Whitehouse, in a telephone interview with CNN, says his effort is aimed at "making sure this isn't an investigation that is limited to the individuals who assaulted and entered the Capitol on January 6," adding that "potential culpability by members of Congress" has to be investigated.

    The new phase of the federal probe is along the lines federal officials outlined after the attack. Acting US Attorney for the District of Columbia Michael Sherwin said that after the initial stage of rounding up rioters, prosecutors and investigators would begin examining more difficult aspects: including the funding and organizing of the riot, the likely interviews of lawmakers and even whether incitement at the rally held by President Donald Trump before the riot broke any laws. Prosecutors have also pushed to bring sedition charges against some alleged rioters, a step awaiting approval from the Justice Department, according to people briefed on the matter.

    Sherwin has announced he will move to the Justice Department to help manage the cases for a period while the department sets out a longer-term plan for a sprawling probe that will stretch months.

    Justice officials are mindful of the political and constitutional implications of parts of the investigation, particularly any that touch on members of Congress, according to law enforcement officials.

    So far, investigators haven't found evidence that members of Congress knowingly aided or were involved in the insurrection, the US official said. The FBI has seized devices belonging to alleged rioters and has found communications that show connections that investigators plan to examine further.

    In some cases, there is data showing past contact with lawmakers, and in others there's communications between alleged rioters discussing their associations with members of Congress. Some alleged rioters have also claimed to have provided security for lawmakers

    In one case against an alleged leader of the right-wing paramilitary group the Oath Keepers, a defendant has claimed she was enlisted to provide security to legislators and others in their march to the Capitol.

    None of this necessarily indicates wrongdoing by any lawmakers, the US official said.

    At Tuesday's hearing, Wray said he couldn't provide details about specific steps the FBI has taken while the investigation is ongoing.

    Asked by Hawley about the FBI's use of metadata and other information from cell phone towers, Wray said: "I feel confident that we are using various legal authorities to look at metadata."

    Hawley, who helped lead the effort to block congressional certification of the election results during the riot, expressed frustration: "How are we going to know what you're doing with it and how are we going to evaluate the bureau's conduct if we don't know what authorities you're invoking, what precisely you're doing, what you're retaining?" Hawley said. "You're basically saying 'just trust us.'"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/its-n...b6d7794ae4bbd2

    IT'S NOT FAIR I'M STILL IN JAIL! - An insurrectionist who broke into the capitol, stole government property, and threatened lawmakers.
    He should be lucky that he isn't looking at treason charges.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gondrin View Post
    Hmm, I hope these Congressmen have a pretty good lawyer if this happens to go anywhere.

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/04/polit...ers/index.html
    Yep, I believe Boebert might be getting some visits from the FBI soon, considering she was seen giving tours to possible insurrectionists by 2 Dem lawmakers from the 3rd to the 6th, the days leading up to the event.

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    Quote Originally Posted by postman1782 View Post
    He should be lucky that he isn't looking at treason charges.

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    Yep, I believe Boebert might be getting some visits from the FBI soon, considering she was seen giving tours to possible insurrectionists by 2 Dem lawmakers from the 3rd to the 6th, the days leading up to the event.
    The good news is that she's a fucking simpleton and shouldn't;t be able to outwit the FBI.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bodakane View Post
    The good news is that she's a fucking simpleton and shouldn't;t be able to outwit the FBI.
    Considering she just got her GED 8 months before she was elected to congress, it isn't surprising she is a fucking moron.

  15. #4115
    Quote Originally Posted by postman1782 View Post
    Considering she just got her GED 8 months before she was elected to congress, it isn't surprising she is a fucking moron.
    TBF, that doesn't mean someone is a moron. There's numerous reasons someone has to get a GED and most have nothing to do with intelligence.

    That she's a Qanon trump cultist, is proof she's dumber than a bucket of shrimp.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gondrin View Post
    Well, there is that saying that if you ask anyone in jail/prison, they will all tell you they are innocent. That their lawyers screwed them or some other reason why. That is why there are prisons, to keep the innocent people locked up.

    Hmm, I hope these Congressmen have a pretty good lawyer if this happens to go anywhere.

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/04/polit...ers/index.html
    Should be extremely interesting to see how these investigations play out. I sincerely hope some of the more fringe House Members see jail time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by postman1782 View Post
    He should be lucky that he isn't looking at treason charges.
    To play devil's advocate, treason is not appropriate here. Treason fundamentally requires supporting the efforts of some enemy of the USA.

    Rebellion or insurrection, and seditious conspiracy, however, absolutely.

    18 USC Ch. 115 §2383 through §2385, rather than §2381 or §2382, basically.


  18. #4118
    Quote Originally Posted by Lenonis View Post
    IMO -- let Trump run again and split the GOP. He'll be old as balls and suffer from the "no one likes to vote for a loser" problem in politics. The political calculation I see is the risk of Trump getting re-elected is lower than the damage the Dems will suffer for barring him. Plus nothing would stop the GOP from revoking that in 2022 if they take back Congress.
    I agree. The best thing democrats could do is encourage a Trump reelection by saying "good, it would guarantee victory for us. He couldn't get it done in 2020 even with attempted cheating and he'll lose again now." If they lack any semblance of fear and treat him like a joke, many others will start to view him as the loser he is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nastard View Post
    I agree. The best thing democrats could do is encourage a Trump reelection by saying "good, it would guarantee victory for us. He couldn't get it done in 2020 even with attempted cheating and he'll lose again now." If they lack any semblance of fear and treat him like a joke, many others will start to view him as the loser he is.
    Don't underestimate these people. That is what got us into the mess to begin with. They might be stupid, ignorant, or both but no one can say otherwise that they aren't highly motivated, funded, and prepared. They are working around the clock to make sure their people can vote and people against them can't at almost every state law house right now across the country. They also are weeding out the people that actually followed the law in this round of elections when it came to vote counting and certifications and are replacing them with people that certainly won't in the next. Trump also brought out a metric shit ton of people even if it was fewer than Biden. The game plan is 100% simple for them. Stop people that will vote for Biden from being able to vote and have people in place that will accept the conspiracy against Trump or any other Republican candidate the next go around. Keep the "us (saviors) against them (traitors)" rage boiling that their people will believe even if they saw Trump pull out the gun and shot someone in time square like he himself said they would. In 2ish years we will see if Democrats remain motivated or if they let the red wave wash over the mid-terms and then also have a crap ton of momentum going into the Presidential 2 years after that. Let's not forget Democrats have a big tendency to occasionally show up and then disappear for a while when it comes to elections.
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  20. #4120
    Quote Originally Posted by Low Hanging Fruit View Post
    Don't underestimate these people. That is what got us into the mess to begin with.
    Is it? Or was it that everyone, Republicans and Democrats alike, tried their best to prevent him from running and managed to turn a lazy orange turd who has had everything in life handed to him into some sort of downtrodden underdog? Amazingly they turned "unqualified" into a POSITIVE thing. By playing the same game again it only serves to have the same results. Your post speaks a lot of truth but unfortunately if he decides, he'll end up running despite efforts to stop him. Any attempt will only be seen as "fear of a strong and powerful man" and if Trump isn't seen as powerful he has nothing. He'll already have a fair amount of support from idiots who don't know what election fraud actually is, and when the "gubment" makes efforts to prevent him from running it will only confirm for them that the election WAS stolen from him. Treat him like a non-threat and instead it'll be viewed that he lost fair and square.

    Nah, I still think the best way to handle this is to treat him like a loser who isn't a threat (whether or not it's genuinely true). It will never sway the diehards but NOTHING will, so instead sway the people you can. Trump has ALWAYS aaaaaalways been about "public image" over actual facts, so you strip him of his only power by treating him like an impotent wimp.

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