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  1. #161
    Quote Originally Posted by Fidisko View Post
    Helo,

    Ive read many times that wow community is very toxic, but what does toxicity even mean?

    For me Toxic players are the ones that are blaming everyone for failing and ruining player experience on purpose. ( leaving groups without purpose, be mean, blaming everyone and just cry)

    Yesterday i went 2x Mythic +11, i did buy flask/food, have correct talents and know each boss and trash mechanics and i know my job not to fail the group.
    Because there are 4 more people who probably dont have all the time like me in the world and want to have things done. So its my responsibility for them as well to do as much as i can, not to fail.

    And for me this is common sense. Now my experience from yesterday is that ppl didnt know tactics at all at the Other side Manastorm fight, me as a Healer deffused all the bombs, soak 2 crystals and they didnt stack on the Aoe from Malificient and im told them after wipe that im doing everything yet they have clearly no idea what to do here. DPS left and the group blamed me that he did because of me, because why am i even writing something?

    its like are people really getting offended so easily? I did 150% job at the fight yet they did 50% so should i just be quiet and wipe?

    Today same, 2/5 people had no idea what to do at +11, when i ask them why not read jornal before making/joining a group, im blamed that im taking the game really seriously and just "chill bruh". Ok i was quiet we wiped 5 times at one boss due to same mistakes, then i left.

    For me, this is not toxicity but taking responsibily for your own actions and be responsible to the group members as well, and im not gonna carry someone else because he cant click dungeon journal and read 2 senteces. From my perspective they are toxic, they are ruining the group experience and blaming others attitude because they cannot admit they simply failed the boss,dungeon whatever and learn from it

    What is your opinion?

    Thanks
    it depends... you might actually be

    there's a blank spot in your story: how exactly did you react to their failures?

    sarcastic remarks, expressing your 'disapproval', lecturing them about responsibility with a timer running are not helpful at all

    comments like i'm carrying you idiots, are toxic AF too

    your language seems pretty aggressive as well, expression like 'having no clue' for instance

    if i had to guess i'd say that you are somewhat toxic and they are shamelessly casual

  2. #162
    Quote Originally Posted by RoKPaNda View Post
    And like it or not that comes across condescending. Now if you had said something like "hey guys we have to interrupt [mechanic]" it would have been received better and you likely wouldn't have been kicked.
    This. Its how you word it.

    You arent really asking why they didn't interrupt it. You don't care the reason. You are passively aggressively telling them they need to kick it. So do that explicitly instead of implicitly. "Hey guys let's make sure we interrupt X and we can down this boss".

    9/10 times when someone asks a rhetorical question like that its perceived as snarkiness.

  3. #163
    Quote Originally Posted by Fidisko View Post
    Helo,

    Ive read many times that wow community is very toxic, but what does toxicity even mean?

    For me Toxic players are the ones that are blaming everyone for failing and ruining player experience on purpose. ( leaving groups without purpose, be mean, blaming everyone and just cry)

    Yesterday i went 2x Mythic +11, i did buy flask/food, have correct talents and know each boss and trash mechanics and i know my job not to fail the group.
    Because there are 4 more people who probably dont have all the time like me in the world and want to have things done. So its my responsibility for them as well to do as much as i can, not to fail.

    And for me this is common sense. Now my experience from yesterday is that ppl didnt know tactics at all at the Other side Manastorm fight, me as a Healer deffused all the bombs, soak 2 crystals and they didnt stack on the Aoe from Malificient and im told them after wipe that im doing everything yet they have clearly no idea what to do here. DPS left and the group blamed me that he did because of me, because why am i even writing something?

    its like are people really getting offended so easily? I did 150% job at the fight yet they did 50% so should i just be quiet and wipe?

    Today same, 2/5 people had no idea what to do at +11, when i ask them why not read jornal before making/joining a group, im blamed that im taking the game really seriously and just "chill bruh". Ok i was quiet we wiped 5 times at one boss due to same mistakes, then i left.

    For me, this is not toxicity but taking responsibily for your own actions and be responsible to the group members as well, and im not gonna carry someone else because he cant click dungeon journal and read 2 senteces. From my perspective they are toxic, they are ruining the group experience and blaming others attitude because they cannot admit they simply failed the boss,dungeon whatever and learn from it

    What is your opinion?

    Thanks
    i skipped BFA .. now im in shadowlands as a healer and tank... and man it feels like DPS players are trying to dodge more and more responsibilities than ever... and it feels like im not allowed to get angry about doing 150% while they do 50%. I still haven't figured out how i want to start responding to this kind of crap tbh.

  4. #164
    Quote Originally Posted by Fidisko View Post
    Helo,

    Ive read many times that wow community is very toxic, but what does toxicity even mean?

    For me Toxic players are the ones that are blaming everyone for failing and ruining player experience on purpose. ( leaving groups without purpose, be mean, blaming everyone and just cry)

    Yesterday i went 2x Mythic +11, i did buy flask/food, have correct talents and know each boss and trash mechanics and i know my job not to fail the group.
    Because there are 4 more people who probably dont have all the time like me in the world and want to have things done. So its my responsibility for them as well to do as much as i can, not to fail.

    And for me this is common sense. Now my experience from yesterday is that ppl didnt know tactics at all at the Other side Manastorm fight, me as a Healer deffused all the bombs, soak 2 crystals and they didnt stack on the Aoe from Malificient and im told them after wipe that im doing everything yet they have clearly no idea what to do here. DPS left and the group blamed me that he did because of me, because why am i even writing something?

    its like are people really getting offended so easily? I did 150% job at the fight yet they did 50% so should i just be quiet and wipe?

    Today same, 2/5 people had no idea what to do at +11, when i ask them why not read jornal before making/joining a group, im blamed that im taking the game really seriously and just "chill bruh". Ok i was quiet we wiped 5 times at one boss due to same mistakes, then i left.

    For me, this is not toxicity but taking responsibily for your own actions and be responsible to the group members as well, and im not gonna carry someone else because he cant click dungeon journal and read 2 senteces. From my perspective they are toxic, they are ruining the group experience and blaming others attitude because they cannot admit they simply failed the boss,dungeon whatever and learn from it

    What is your opinion?

    Thanks
    "Toxic" is just what one player labels another when they become offended by something that person said.
    If we could all sit and talk without demonizing one another and attempt to understand the opposite point of view, the collective world would be a better place. Mental bigotry is the worst of all.

  5. #165
    Dont single people out be generalized with a "Hey guys remember to diffuse bombs and soak crystals! It is hard for me to do both as I am trying to heal thanks!" That way no one feels it is being put on them alone and it isnt accusatory so they may try to do better. If they dont well probs not a key you want to stick around for regardless

  6. #166
    Quote Originally Posted by RoKPaNda View Post
    It takes so much less time to explain things in a clear and concise manner than it does to get angry and kick people and replace people and frustrate yourself to no end. You can't assume that everyone knows everything about WoW and realistically most of these fights are simple enough that you can explain them in one sentence. "Don't stand in purple circle, hide behind pillar when boss casts X." takes a couple seconds to type out. Now if you're pushing high keys and time is of the essence and people don't know the mechanics in that situation you've got bigger problems lol.

    99% of the time that I've seen people kicked from groups it's because they were nasty to people or condescending or they communicated horribly.



    And like it or not that comes across condescending. Now if you had said something like "hey guys we have to interrupt [mechanic]" it would have been received better and you likely wouldn't have been kicked.



    That's why there are convenient tools to weed those people out if you're doing +15 keys. To be fair if you end up with people boosted in your 15 keys you're not doing your due diligence as group leader lol.
    I don't typically lead groups. But boosters spend gold on getting carried which artificially raises their raider.io score. As for being "condescending", the only people who would think of it that way are people who look for any reason to kick people. The community is a train wreck in WoW now. I've seen people get kicked because they said "wait one sec".

  7. #167
    Quote Originally Posted by baksheesh View Post
    please don't queue for higher keys unless you know all the mechanics/kicks/etc

    thanks

    If you want to improve, mythictrap is very useful

    I just had a +10 halls where a hunter didn't know he had to stand in the red circle on first boss and got perma-feared, complaining in party chat the whole time
    I'd say don't queue for keys at all until you've done it on mythic 0 and seen all the mechanics. As said earlier some mechanics don't even exist on normal or heroic.
    The most difficult thing for people to do is objectively look at something they don't like and be able to accept that it is not bad, that other people like it, and if it was changed to the way they'd like it that other people would not like it and want it changed back. The second most is to receive something they didn't want or ask for and be grateful for it, not immediately demand what they wanted instead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRevenantHero View Post
    I don't typically lead groups. But boosters spend gold on getting carried which artificially raises their raider.io score. As for being "condescending", the only people who would think of it that way are people who look for any reason to kick people. The community is a train wreck in WoW now. I've seen people get kicked because they said "wait one sec".
    Given that I sell boosts I'm aware of how it works, but such a small number of players can afford to boost with the frequency required to inflate their RIO score to the point you could mistake it for anything but boosting. If you've got people in your group that are boosted the person leading didn't do their due diligence.

    "Why was I the only one using interrupts?" is snarky and passive aggressive. It costs you literally nothing to just say "Hey guys we have to interrupt [mechanic]" instead and you don't end up annoying the group. You could have the best intentions but if you come across as condescending you're going to run into problems.
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  9. #169
    Quote Originally Posted by RoKPaNda View Post
    Given that I sell boosts I'm aware of how it works, but such a small number of players can afford to boost with the frequency required to inflate their RIO score to the point you could mistake it for anything but boosting. If you've got people in your group that are boosted the person leading didn't do their due diligence.

    "Why was I the only one using interrupts?" is snarky and passive aggressive. It costs you literally nothing to just say "Hey guys we have to interrupt [mechanic]" instead and you don't end up annoying the group. You could have the best intentions but if you come across as condescending you're going to run into problems.
    Saying "Why was I the only using interrupts?" is NOT snarky and passive aggressive if I'm literally the only person interrupting. Because at that point it has become a legitimate question. If I've been the only one who is using interrupts then I'm going to ask why. And if people kick me for it, they're pretty toxic.

    As for the group leader, the majority of people will see a person's score and rightfully assume they've done the dungeon before. All you're doing is trying to pass the blame off to other people rather than admit boosting harms legitimate mythic+ groups.

  10. #170
    Quote Originally Posted by Zypherz View Post
    I'd say you're in the right right, but from experience it's better left saying such things after the run completes rather than during it. You're just gonna make them play worse or leave.
    Good, wastes less time IMO. If they can't handle criticism they should go browse reddit and begone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoKPaNda View Post
    Given that I sell boosts I'm aware of how it works, but such a small number of players can afford to boost with the frequency required to inflate their RIO score to the point you could mistake it for anything but boosting. If you've got people in your group that are boosted the person leading didn't do their due diligence.

    "Why was I the only one using interrupts?" is snarky and passive aggressive. It costs you literally nothing to just say "Hey guys we have to interrupt [mechanic]" instead and you don't end up annoying the group. You could have the best intentions but if you come across as condescending you're going to run into problems.
    I love people who need to sugarcoat things.

    It is so funny how soft the wow community has gotten.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRevenantHero View Post
    Saying "Why was I the only using interrupts?" is NOT snarky and passive aggressive if I'm literally the only person interrupting. Because at that point it has become a legitimate question. If I've been the only one who is using interrupts then I'm going to ask why. And if people kick me for it, they're pretty toxic.

    As for the group leader, the majority of people will see a person's score and rightfully assume they've done the dungeon before. All you're doing is trying to pass the blame off to other people rather than admit boosting harms legitimate mythic+ groups.
    No, I understand that people who are passive aggressive don't understand that they're being passive aggressive a lot of the time, but "Why am I the only one interrupting?" is passive aggressive as fuck. Twice now I've explained to you how you could have come across as NOT Toxic without costing you any more time than you already invested in being toxic and saving yourself the stress of getting upset over a dungeon with imaginary pixels in a video game that you're supposed to be having fun in.

    Secondly I also understand that you don't understand how RIO works. The amount of people that could afford that much boosting that it's not painfully obvious at a quick glance that they've been boosted is amazingly small. If you're routinely getting people that you think are boosted in your group it's because the group leader isn't filtering people at all. Just inviting people with an ilevel that they think is good and not actually looking at RIO or anything.

    Quote Originally Posted by ztkraptor View Post
    I love people who need to sugarcoat things.

    It is so funny how soft the wow community has gotten.
    It's called interacting with other human beings.
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  12. #172
    Quote Originally Posted by RoKPaNda View Post

    It's called interacting with other human beings.
    SOFT...
    People are investing their time and money into something, be an adult and be responsible for yourself instead of having to be babied, then get upset when they tell you you suck.

  13. #173
    Quote Originally Posted by RoKPaNda View Post
    No, I understand that people who are passive aggressive don't understand that they're being passive aggressive a lot of the time, but "Why am I the only one interrupting?" is passive aggressive as fuck. Twice now I've explained to you how you could have come across as NOT Toxic without costing you any more time than you already invested in being toxic and saving yourself the stress of getting upset over a dungeon with imaginary pixels in a video game that you're supposed to be having fun in.

    Secondly I also understand that you don't understand how RIO works. The amount of people that could afford that much boosting that it's not painfully obvious at a quick glance that they've been boosted is amazingly small. If you're routinely getting people that you think are boosted in your group it's because the group leader isn't filtering people at all. Just inviting people with an ilevel that they think is good and not actually looking at RIO or anything.



    It's called interacting with other human beings.
    You're really going to tell me what my intention was? Interesting you are accusing me of being passive aggressive and then get incredibly passive aggressive. You really have no authority to tell me what my intention was. So saying "people who are passive aggressive don't understand that they're being passive aggressive a lot of the time" is ridiculous. You're just continuing to try and justify people's toxic behavior. I'm not going to rephrase questions that are in no way passive aggressive.

    You really can't say how small the chance is. You've been acting like you can speak for every single person's thought process or actions. The fact that there are plenty of people bringing up the same point I did about boosting in other threads shows YOU are the one that doesn't know what they're talking about. But as I said, it's clear you want to pass the blame since you're a booster and don't want to admit that boosting has made the WoW community toxic and insufferable because of how popular it's become.

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    This entire timed stuff should just go away.
    I do it on high keys but meh not a fan.
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  15. #175
    Quote Originally Posted by Fidisko View Post
    Helo,

    Ive read many times that wow community is very toxic, but what does toxicity even mean?

    For me Toxic players are the ones that are blaming everyone for failing and ruining player experience on purpose. ( leaving groups without purpose, be mean, blaming everyone and just cry)

    Yesterday i went 2x Mythic +11, i did buy flask/food, have correct talents and know each boss and trash mechanics and i know my job not to fail the group.
    Because there are 4 more people who probably dont have all the time like me in the world and want to have things done. So its my responsibility for them as well to do as much as i can, not to fail.

    And for me this is common sense. Now my experience from yesterday is that ppl didnt know tactics at all at the Other side Manastorm fight, me as a Healer deffused all the bombs, soak 2 crystals and they didnt stack on the Aoe from Malificient and im told them after wipe that im doing everything yet they have clearly no idea what to do here. DPS left and the group blamed me that he did because of me, because why am i even writing something?

    its like are people really getting offended so easily? I did 150% job at the fight yet they did 50% so should i just be quiet and wipe?

    Today same, 2/5 people had no idea what to do at +11, when i ask them why not read jornal before making/joining a group, im blamed that im taking the game really seriously and just "chill bruh". Ok i was quiet we wiped 5 times at one boss due to same mistakes, then i left.

    For me, this is not toxicity but taking responsibily for your own actions and be responsible to the group members as well, and im not gonna carry someone else because he cant click dungeon journal and read 2 senteces. From my perspective they are toxic, they are ruining the group experience and blaming others attitude because they cannot admit they simply failed the boss,dungeon whatever and learn from it

    What is your opinion?

    Thanks
    Personally, I'd give you a 7/10 for toxicity, because (assuming everything you said is true) your comments weren't constructive at all and only seemed to be aimed at making them feel bad rather than helping the group, even if they're the ones failing. Pointing out that you're the only one doing all the mechanics doesn't really let them know what they're doing wrong, and you asking why they don't know the mechanics will never generate a response that will help the group at all. If they answered truthfully and said "because I'm a lazy bastard" or "I'm a bad player", what would that change? Nothing at all.

    I'm not a fan of pugging, but whenever I run into a group where one or all in the group seem to not know something I know, depending on my mood, I'll either say nothing or explain calmly and respectfully what it is they don't seem to know. I have yet to see a player leave the group or insult me for pointing out mistakes.

  16. #176
    So I read the OP and it reminds me of some other thread in the forum where a guy was livid having some unreasonable expectations out of average level key PuGs.

    It's really just that - unreasonable expectations. You expect a bunch of random people in PuGs and some mediocre, if not low, 11 key to be on spot with mechanics in expansion that has barely just launched?

    I mean... come on? Guess what, pugs are shit and the best you can do is check RIO of team members before you start and their runs done and bail if it looks like they are over their heads. Luckily as a healer you should have no problem joining other pug.

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