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  1. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by agentsi View Post
    Tell that to all of Limit's Holy PLDs in their world first kill. All of them were Venthyr. But you know better than those guys right? I mean, you're better than those guys right? You got the world first, not them? RighT? Right?

    gtfo
    Yeah emphasis on the LIMIT part of that. Even max said on his own stream they do things he would not recommend for anyone not in a world top 20 guild. Including having your holy paladins as venthyr. So how about you get some education before spouting off about how Limit did something with zero knowledge of WHY they did it.

  2. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by agentsi View Post
    Tell that to all of Limit's Holy PLDs in their world first kill. All of them were Venthyr. But you know better than those guys right? I mean, you're better than those guys right? You got the world first, not them? RighT? Right?

    gtfo
    You know you're wrong, right?

  3. #23
    Loving venthyr paladin.
    Doubt they Will nerf it.

  4. #24
    Kyrian is best for both prot and holy. It is also probably the best for Ret dungeons.

    Venthyr is only good for raiding ret. It doesn't matter if it does a bit more single target dps. Holy needs toll to spread their holy shock buff and burst healing and prot for the burst threat and damage on packs + holy power on both.

    Venthyr underperforms in most situations compared to toll. Only good for single target. What world first guilds do is not what average players do. They have to kill bosses undergeared. I am sure that they see value in the single target damage and the AoE healing saving mana to the healers. For it to be useful coordination and timing is important. You will not get that on regular groups.
    There is no reason to nerf hollow cause it's not overpowered. It just has it's niche.
    Last edited by Swnem; 2021-02-02 at 12:16 AM.

  5. #25
    Quote Originally Posted by cronumic View Post
    Anyone else think they will end up nerfing venthyr paladin for next tier?

    Reasoning: it allows tank/healer to perform far more dps than any other covenant choice for any tank/heal spec, which I expect guilds will use to nullify and dps checks

    Maybe I'm overthinking it but what do yall think
    4 Min CD, massive polp on the floor in a game where movement mechanics are key and all that "massive damage" is completely negated. Venthyr ability is fine, even in PVP where the legendary with wings and hammer of wrath gives amazing dps for holy is meh, just use brain and see the big red stuff and shiny golden wings and run away.

    If you get caught up in a stun outside of stun/personal, then gg to the Paladin who lined that up.

  6. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by Vluggedaafie View Post
    bad reasoning, they kill a raid with way lower itemlevel then any other guild in which for them a 4 min cooldown has more value vs a raid with 5-10 more ilvl
    they killed it with an insane ilvl,i think they had more ilvl than the guys that killed it 7th or so,that happened like a month later

  7. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by Justitiaxx View Post
    4 Min CD, massive polp on the floor in a game where movement mechanics are key and all that "massive damage" is completely negated. Venthyr ability is fine, even in PVP where the legendary with wings and hammer of wrath gives amazing dps for holy is meh, just use brain and see the big red stuff and shiny golden wings and run away.

    If you get caught up in a stun outside of stun/personal, then gg to the Paladin who lined that up.
    It's not just about the damage it's about the massive zone denial that basically stops all pressure from melee comps.

    On topic I expect that it will get nerfed but the cd will get dropped as well so like 60% of current effectiveness but 2 minute cd. It just doesn't feel good to have a covenant ability that you use at most twice a fight on most fights and it's likely blizzard will realize that.

  8. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by Swnem View Post
    Kyrian is best for both prot and holy. It is also probably the best for Ret dungeons.

    Venthyr is only good for raiding ret. It doesn't matter if it does a bit more single target dps. Holy needs toll to spread their holy shock buff and burst healing and prot for the burst threat and damage on packs + holy power on both.
    .
    Yeh, you're wrong.
    Kyrian is pretty worthless in raiding, venthyr on the other hand?
    Its amazing cooldown, doing both healing and dps for 30 seconds. Its extremely strong for that, what does DT do for you or anyone else in your raid? nothing? Yeh, so how do you reason its better, when it does nothing?

  9. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by tomten View Post
    Yeh, you're wrong.
    Kyrian is pretty worthless in raiding, venthyr on the other hand?
    Its amazing cooldown, doing both healing and dps for 30 seconds. Its extremely strong for that, what does DT do for you or anyone else in your raid? nothing? Yeh, so how do you reason its better, when it does nothing?
    DT worthless in raid? its basically a 1 minute revival that gives you enough HP to quickly do 2 light of dawns that synchronizes with every holy shock related conduit/legendary we have. wtf are you smoking lmao

  10. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by tomten View Post
    Yeh, you're wrong.
    Kyrian is pretty worthless in raiding, venthyr on the other hand?
    Its amazing cooldown, doing both healing and dps for 30 seconds. Its extremely strong for that, what does DT do for you or anyone else in your raid? nothing? Yeh, so how do you reason its better, when it does nothing?
    That's a month old post almost.

    There are some repairs i can make given the information i got since.
    For holy, Venthyr is good for world first guilds that know what they are doing. Not really what you want. Sure, you will do more damage, but you will be a worse healer.

    The repair i can make is that Divine toll is actually good for Ret in the raid as well. Actually, it's the best currently with a certain build that has you line up 5 cooldowns. It's not for everyone.
    Last edited by Swnem; 2021-02-24 at 12:30 AM.

  11. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by h8ryan View Post
    DT worthless in raid? its basically a 1 minute revival that gives you enough HP to quickly do 2 light of dawns that synchronizes with every holy shock related conduit/legendary we have. wtf are you smoking lmao
    I dont play healer bro. But for prot and ret, DT is pretty useless in raids, especially if you compare the two.

  12. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by tomten View Post
    I dont play healer bro. But for prot and ret, DT is pretty useless in raids, especially if you compare the two.
    it's a one minute cooldown that gives you 350 mastery, you aren't very good at paladin if you can't figure out the applications for it.

  13. #33
    We have a holy pally in our mythic group that's able to do 15-20k dps on pull and usually doing 5k+ dps overall if he is focusing on dpsing more than healing as Venthyr. I haven't been paying that much attention to what % of his damage Ashen Hallow does. But, going off of the firsthand experience I have, holy paladin DPS does seem out of whack right now compared to other healers and even actual lower-end DPS specs such as Survival or either warrior spec, and might be nerfed in the future.

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