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  1. #141
    I'm convinced Anduin could stand there and breathe for 60 seconds straight with no dialog and an MMO-C post would show up explaining why he's completely ruining the story.
    If you reply to me with a full essay I'm probably not going to bother reading it, sorry.

  2. #142
    Quote Originally Posted by MikeBogina View Post
    Alliance players freaking out that Sylvanas might go redemption story like we didn't see this coming.

    But like, what about Anduin over here convincing bad guys that there's still good in them? Garrosh 2.0, but the one in chains is reversed.

    Really hoping the entire expansion doesn't hinge on these 2, Sylvanas' redemption and Anduin being such a special special boy(he really is so special, you should just throw down your weapons and love him) and instead the Jailer to bring out the real weapon which is Arthas.

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    I take it you dont play Venthyr then. The Accuser, one of the biggest authorities of sins says that "Every soul deserves a chance at redemption".


    She did not personally bring each and everyone of those souls to the maw and drop them in like Devos did to Arthas. She had a lot of people killed while the Arbiter was out of order. So she's guilty of knowing they would go to the maw(we actually haven't seen any confirmation of this, but maybe safe to assume) but she actually isn't sending them to the Maw. Many people killed during this time and many people are still killing this time.
    And again - she was conspiring with the Jailer and she KNEW that souls were going to the Maw and still killed those people. Those who also killed during this time couldnt have known that souls were going to the Maw and do not share the same blame. Some blame, but not the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NecroVane View Post
    How dare they even consider a redemption arc for a horde character...only alliance characters get those!
    Call me when an Alliance character does everything Sylvanas did and in the same over the top unapologetic manner and then we talk.

  3. #143
    Whitewashing? What? Sylvanas was a fair skinned Elf since day one.

    Anyways... it's too late for her. To have redemption she needs to atone for a lot. I don't know why she would hesitate now after all she has done.

    She would have killed him in Lordearon. She sacrificed her people and her love for this cause of hers. Why does she hesitate now? No, this does not make sense.

    Or you know... biggest emo fit ever.
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  4. #144
    Quote Originally Posted by FrostHate View Post
    I really can't say that she was "enjoying" any of what she did. At least it didn't strike me like that.

    Were her deeds heartless and brutal? - Yes.
    Did she know what she was doing? - Yes.
    Was all of it intentional, knowing the implications? - Yes.
    Was she shown to experience pleasure in doing any of it? - No.

    Even in the Teldrassil cinematic - she's not showing any emotions of enjoyment while watching the tree burning. She's like a machine that is devoid of all emotion, only doing what it is supposed to do.
    https://youtu.be/aW_h0qf9vpA?t=81 the looks at 1:22 begs to differ it screams satisfaction, she taking pleasure from it. Sylvanas is a Psychopath.

  5. #145
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    Quote Originally Posted by shadowmatrix View Post
    OH NO, Anduin said what anybody who pays attention already knew.
    She is confused and gullible? Looking to anyone that has power like a lost puppy? He is this important weapon...so he obviously has power
    #WithoutRespectWeReject

  6. #146
    Man...Anduins exposition didn't feel natural at all. But ofc he knows everything why someone else does something... ugh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth-Piekus View Post
    All I see is two villains getting desperate. They lost Denathrius, they lost Muehzala, we are gonna free Primus the Runecarver very soon and the last target is the Jailer with Sylvannas probably being one of the raid bosses. In any case Sylvannas is gonna be confronted by the Alliance and the Horde at some point. I don't see how they can pull that redemption crap. Also nice parallel. Having a runesword now playing Arthas. It's so cute if not pathetic.
    I'm afraid they will pull another Grom on us, forgive her with little cause...because Blizzard writing has gotten that bad...and if they reuse that then Anduin will be or attempt to be made the Lich King 2.0...another Holy man driven to Undeath to rule it in the name of another.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kumorii View Post
    Man...Anduins exposition didn't feel natural at all. But ofc he knows everything why someone else does something... ugh.
    Felt almost as if he felt bad for her, and if he feels bad for her...he can forgive her
    #WithoutRespectWeReject

  8. #148
    My Little Hordie, Friendship is dark Magic
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  9. #149
    I'm incredulous. Anduin does not belong in this story. Out of all characters, he's the closest to being the M word. He's omniscient, he can read anyone like an open book, he'll psychoanalyse you with the precision the likes of which has never been seen before. The universe itself will bend over backwards to accommodate his way of thinking and prove him right. He's Golden Jesus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kumorii View Post
    Man...Anduins exposition didn't feel natural at all. But ofc he knows everything why someone else does something... ugh.
    Yeah...that did come quite surprisingly

    Question: When does that cinematic play? After you kill Sire Denathrius in the raid? First time I see this cinematic mentioned and linked

  11. #151
    Quote Originally Posted by Irian View Post
    I'm convinced Anduin could stand there and breathe for 60 seconds straight with no dialog and an MMO-C post would show up explaining why he's completely ruining the story.
    tbf that doesn't sound like it'll be compelling to show, so yeah, you'd be right.

  12. #152
    Quote Originally Posted by Kithelle View Post
    Felt almost as if he felt bad for her, and if he feels bad for her...he can forgive her
    He can forgive anyone for anything, it's his whole schtick.

  13. #153
    It's not that Anduin is bad. It's that Sylvanas is an emo teenager who cannot deal with her fate. Anyone on his place would realize what's it all about.

    That cinematic just proved that she's unstable and stupid, so Anduin just pulled UNO card. Outplayed her like a child.
    I wasn't even shocked, she was used as a toy by the Jailer. All her planning, sneakiness and determination came from someone else. She's just playing the victim card now. Such as unbearable character...

    Quote Originally Posted by Irian View Post
    I'm convinced Anduin could stand there and breathe for 60 seconds straight with no dialog and an MMO-C post would show up explaining why he's completely ruining the story.
    I agree. Anduin has become much more interesting and better character.
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    Prepatch BfA
    Delaryn Summermoon: Sylvannas u are not like that! Why?!
    Sylvannas: BURN!!!!!!!!!

    SL
    Anduin: Sylvanas, u are not like that! Why?!
    Sylvannas: take me little lion, take me now!

    Come on, Blizzard do it. Finish NE by killing Tyrande or sth.
    Already they plot against us.
    Seize this moment, Varian.
    Dismantle the Horde!

  15. #155
    So is the knowledge of a "redeemed" villain you all have limited to characters from Harry Potter and Star Wars? Because if you're actually as "intellectually advanced" and "well read" as you're claiming to be you'd know that story arc is as old as time itself....literally.

    And I'd hazard a guess that your favorite (and i mean your most beloved) story contains the same, if not more mundane, tropes than WoW's story does....
    I'm a thread killer.

  16. #156
    Quote Originally Posted by Kumorii View Post
    Man...Anduins exposition didn't feel natural at all. But ofc he knows everything why someone else does something... ugh.
    Had the same vibe. Anduin 'manning hp' isn't right. It's totally out of 'poor lost puppy orphan please love me' character.

    Anduin needs to play along with Sylvannas so he can keep his free will and maybe pull a Brutus when the time comes. Talking high just to become a mindless slave will serve no one (but the jailer)

  17. #157
    I actually like this direction. She's gonna be Kerrigan 2.0.

  18. #158
    Quote Originally Posted by blankfaced View Post
    So is the knowledge of a "redeemed" villain you all have limited to characters from Harry Potter and Star Wars? Because if you're actually as "intellectually advanced" and "well read" as you're claiming to be you'd know that story arc is as old as time itself....literally.
    Star wars is as old as time itself

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    Quote Originally Posted by blankfaced View Post
    So is the knowledge of a "redeemed" villain you all have limited to characters from Harry Potter and Star Wars? Because if you're actually as "intellectually advanced" and "well read" as you're claiming to be you'd know that story arc is as old as time itself....literally.
    Star wars is as old as time itself

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    Quote Originally Posted by blankfaced View Post
    So is the knowledge of a "redeemed" villain you all have limited to characters from Harry Potter and Star Wars? Because if you're actually as "intellectually advanced" and "well read" as you're claiming to be you'd know that story arc is as old as time itself....literally.

    And I'd hazard a guess that your favorite (and i mean your most beloved) story contains the same, if not more mundane, tropes than WoW's story does....
    I brought up most obvious examples, as simple as that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leorana View Post
    Star wars is as old as time itself ������

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    Star wars is as old as time itself
    Indeed...metaphorically speaking. Ofc not literally. But it applies "Hero's journey" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hero%27s_journey and Lucas never made a secret that it is at the core of Star Wars (specifically "The Hero With a Thousand Faces.") http://www.moongadget.com/origins/myth.html

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