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    Quote Originally Posted by Pebrocks The Warlock View Post
    Did you ever play Legion?
    Pretty much the same as Legion yeah.

    Imo Legion wasn't nearly as bad at this as BfA was. As a Horde player you had zero idea what the story of entire zones were in Kul Tiras, while in Legion you just missed out on a few minor NPCs and their story if you didn't play all classes. Some were perhaps a bit more important than others though but it didn't feel like you missed out on important expansion plot points. After all the different class order halls had intervoven stories that interacted with each other and was a nice bonus if you played most of the classes. BfA on the other hand saw no intervoven story, just two separate ones that I honestly think could have been an expansion each.

    Personally I don't mind how they are doing it in Shadowlands because it is similar to the Legion class halls formula.

  2. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by rhrrngt View Post
    You could just change covenants? How lame would it be if all four covenants had the same story line. Thats like complaining you had to level mage to see the mage story line in legion...
    I don't see how doing the 4 Covenants in a row while the campaign stories happen in the same time and are complementary would be a good solution.

    Probably second "not worst" (1st being having 4 alts doing each Cov questceach week), but doesn't make it good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by caervek View Post
    The simple fix would have been instead of making us choose which covenant to join and time gating the campaign to hell they could have made us choose which covenant to join first and let us complete all four over the course of the expansion...

    Oh wait, yeah that's what they were told in beta, and they took the advice onboard as well as ever >.>
    But since you can now switch covenants, they did listen and implemented the option to "choose which covenant to join first and let us complete all four over the course of the expansion"

    But I guess you would want to chose your covenant, stick to it and still play all other covenant campaign? That is not a "simple fix". That is confusing as hell. Why would you stay part of one covenant and the others let you experience their campaign?

    And at the end of the day...yeah..alts. You can hate the idea, but in a game with two factions and 12 classes, something would always elude you. And 15 years of WoW tell us that Blizzard never had the intention to allow you to see all the content or get all achievements if you ever only play one character.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ninix View Post
    I don't see how doing the 4 Covenants in a row while the campaign stories happen in the same time and are complementary would be a good solution.

    Probably second "not worst" (1st being having 4 alts doing each Cov questceach week), but doesn't make it good.
    Nah...I don't see it as "doing each Cov questceach week" - My main is in chapter 7, will be done with the campaign in 2 weeks. One alt is 56, another 53...by the time they are lv 60, they can play through the campaign in one go whenever I please. I basically plan to level more alts at my leisure until the first patch - and then it depends how much it offers as new activities.

    Doing the 9 chapters in a row will probably take what?...3 to 5 hours? That is all for now what I want from alts - get their covenant transmogs
    Last edited by det; 2021-01-03 at 10:29 AM.

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    This reminds me of a story of me doing world quests during first week of Shadowlands. I walk towards a dot in Maldraxxus (my covenant is there, it's convenient) and Draka lorebombs me with the fact that one evil Margrave that was all about killing me like couple quests earier ASKS us to get rid of KEL'THUZAD's loyalists in this area. I was, at the very least, quite puzzled about what the hell is going on.

    The point is: lore is a mess, Blizzard is writing-wise incompenent and/or doesn't care, I like healing, hence for me it is all that matters in WoW.

  5. #25
    Quote Originally Posted by thottstation View Post
    That plot got an entire Warbringers promo cinematic. Connecting the dots is easy.
    Advertising is not part of the game.
    So we must not take it for granted beforehand. Turns out all the cinematic happen in-game, but at different state

    As a non Kyrian, I would 'ever had understood why TF he popped up in one of the Bastion quests without previously or further my mentioning him.
    Even then, the cinematic need the Kyrian campaign to be fully understood (that' s how, at least, I felt it as a non lore-hardcore-follower)

    And I don' t even speak of the Venthyr one that I have still no clue what it imolies IG, while all the others happen quite quickly in their respective storyline.
    Current state of the story lines suppose I already have defeated Denathrius. It would make no sense to have now a cinematic implying him pumping Anima out of Garrosh.
    Completely misleading.
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    I reached the Kael/Kel stuff you heard people talk about. It's Venthyr but i'm pretty sure that Necro has done it too. It seems to be more about how the Covenants work and less of a continued story of the characters that play center stage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thottstation View Post
    snip
    Would you rather have all story end after finishing leveling experience?
    And then just do dungeons without any RP or story progression?
    Or how do you see it?
    Would you like Kyrians deal with Revendreth nobility?
    Or IDK, Maldraxxus covenant saving Loa's?
    Or Ardenweald repairing Kyrian mechs?
    Or Venthyr sitting on the throne of the Seat of Primus?

    Dude, I mean come on.
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    I honestly consider that a good thing. It's one of the best things about Legion, the variety, when you play a new Class and you to their specific Hall, help with their troubles and deal with your problem. A bit of overall between Paladin and Priest was nice but I honestly loved Legion for making me want to experience everything.

    I absolutely hated BFA for only have two branches, Horde or Alliance. It didn't matter beyond that, Death Knight, Priest, Monk, Rogue, you did that exact same because you were Red or Blue. Shadowlands questing and linearity is one of the poorest parts of the game to me, the redeeming part is the Covenants offering variety meaning my Druid, Warrior and Death Knight have different experiences in Shadowlands.

    Variety keeps the game more fun to me. Being able to experience your own story, your own part of the tale is great. You could also play with friends with one of each Covenant and discuss your stories together.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thottstation View Post
    That plot got an entire Warbringers promo cinematic. Connecting the dots is easy.

    KT and Kael got no such adevrtisement. I didn't even know KT was in Shadowlands until everyone started making memes about him and the role he plays in the main story.

    And I was like "... wut?"


    EDIT: While I'm talking to other Covenent players, can I ask what the deal is with the necropolis circling Maldraxxus? I've done all the Maldy quests, but that place is still a mystery to me. The fact that I see it circling every time I open the map means it does something.
    If you play the covenant you open up a teleport network to go there.

  10. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by thottstation View Post
    Yes.

    Neither Horde nor Alliance had any clue what that whole Sylvanas/Eyir/Lantern thing was about.
    I'm not talking about the Horde or Alliance, I'm talking about the 12 different class storylines.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thottstation View Post
    Yes.

    Neither Horde nor Alliance had any clue what that whole Sylvanas/Eyir/Lantern thing was about.
    i think you missed the point that Pebrocks was making.
    you needed to play all the classes in legion to get all the story.
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  12. #32
    I don't care about having to play multiple characters to see different perspectives in a story, I kinda like that. What I don't like is that you can't just play through the campaigns like a normal quest. First it's gated weekly, so you get drip drops every week over the course of a month which completely derails the continuity of the story experience. Then if you play an alt, you can catch up, but you gotta do all those chores to collect the renown tokens.

  13. #33
    Yeah basically you need 4 characters at 60 to experience the different covenant campaigns , catching up should be fast with renown dropping from different sources though.

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