End game when you have a full time job

[det]

Hey all, just wanted to start a discussion on playing through the current (and I guess future) end game when you have a full time job. Like many I grew up playing this game and now have a full time job and far too many responsibilities to commit to a hardcore raid schedule. For the most part I'm wondering how you could get CE when you can't commit to a raid schedule.

From what I can see in Shadowlands, it looks like doing PvP to gear up properly and then getting into a mythic run with a friend in a couple months is the most optimal way. M+ gear just doesn't seem to have the ilvl. Would this be the best way to do so when you can't commit to a raid team?

I was in a guild that raided 20:00-23:00 on 2 weekdays, 19:00-22:00 on one weekend day. Worked fine with my job

[Scathan]

I mean, I know a few guilds that got Nyalotha after what, 7-8 months? They raid 9 hours a week and are really bad at the game. If you possess any modicum of skill you can find a decent 2 nights a week guild and will clean the tier with plenty of time to spare.

Not being able to raid 2-3 nights a week while working a regular, fixed schedule 40 hour work week means you are bad at managing your time.

If you have a family/ other responsibilities that may not be the case. If you only have work/wow that may be true.

I love how so many people seem to have this mentality. Would you say that to someone in actual conversation, or would you empathize? If you can't do x then you are bad at y. So lame.

[Cheze]

there are lots of guilds that get CE raiding 8-9 hours/week, which should be perfectly doable while working full time. Trick is finding a good raid that fits your schedule

[Kokolums]

You are looking at buying carries. Most likely PvP carries to get conquest and rating to obtain 220 gear or higher. Then doing some mythic CN.

[Gurkan]

I suggest going for curve instead.

[cface]

How do you manage to have a fulltime job with errands and fitness into all this? Fitness after work is what takes a huge dump on my time, and then there are days you're just very tired. 2x a week is maximum for me, but there is so much other stuff to do, to keep your character up to date.

If I could just sit down after work it would be easy, but who does that in 2020?

[CcB]

Why do you need CE?

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How do you manage to have a fulltime job with errands and fitness into all this? Fitness after work is what takes a huge dump on my time, and then there are days you're just very tired. 2x a week is maximum for me, but there is so much other stuff to do, to keep your character up to date.

If I could just sit down after work it would be easy, but who does that in 2020?

The majority of staying healthy is fixing your diet. Unless you'd like to be fit, lean or muscular, for the sex appeal.

[Bovinity Divinity]

I know you used to be able to do this no problem, my guild always cleared the latest top difficulty raid ("Heroic" back then) on a 3-night a week/4-hour a night maximum schedule and I didn't need to commit a ton of time outside raid time to do stuff.

Nowadays I'm not so sure. There are so many extra chores people talk about needing to do that eat up additional time.

[Azzurri]

There are plenty of guilds both Ally and Horde that are CE and raid 5-9 hours a week (2-3 days). You won't be world first, but you'll get CE before the next tier.

[clevin]

Not every job has a set schedule. So while you might be free one Tuesday you're working the next 3. That can make committing to a raid schedule impossible for some.

This is accurate but OP didnt say "I have a full time job with a schedule that moves around" they just said "I have a full-time job" and most of us will assume, by that, that they work regular 9-5 hours.

In the case you put forth, it's not the full time hours that are the issue, it's the variability of those hours... and if that's the case, OP needs to tailor their expectations ike an adult. Part of being an adult is simply acknowledging that you can't always do everything you want. They can still play WoW and do a lot of endgame stuff... but maybe they can't any longer get CE. And is CE really important? I mean... it's a video game achievement. It doesnt mean you've seen more of the endgame, just that you've done it on t he hardest level.

[cface]

Why do you need CE?

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The majority of staying healthy is fixing your diet. Unless you'd like to be fit, lean or muscular, for the sex appeal.

Not even close, maybe you're still 25. And lots and lots of jobs make you sit still. When you're getting close to 35, you're gonna reap all that musclepain (and nervepain cause weak small muscles around your neck/hip etc) of not using your body. But hey, you could always chiropractor your way out of it, but trust me, it never works in the long run.

[LedZeppelin]

what is ce?

Hes talking about Halo: Combat Evolved or Halo: Custom Edition

[kamuimac]

How do you manage to have a fulltime job with errands and fitness into all this? Fitness after work is what takes a huge dump on my time, and then there are days you're just very tired. 2x a week is maximum for me, but there is so much other stuff to do, to keep your character up to date.

If I could just sit down after work it would be easy, but who does that in 2020?

people with 0 social life/no relationship ?

i mean SL is perfect expansion for them - but for normal players ? its nightmare

[CcB]

Not even close, maybe you're still 25. And lots and lots of jobs make you sit still. When you're getting close to 35, you're gonna reap all that musclepain (and nervepain cause weak small muscles around your neck/hip etc) of not using your body. But hey, you could always chiropractor your way out of it, but trust me, it never works in the long run.

This depends on genetics though I know a small snippet of what lower back pain feels like..I'm not looking forward to aging!

[Gasman]

Back in 2008, I started hardcore raiding...up until around 2012. This was due to the fact of the recession and I wasn't working full time. I've since then been working full time and can't commit to raiding like I'd like to. I've joined guilds and did alt/weekend runs but that seems to never last. M+ seems to work out well for me, as a tank.

[cface]

This depends on genetics though I know a small snippet of what lower back pain feels like..I'm not looking forward to aging!

Yes, but "aging" is mostly habits catching up on you. My father is soon 60, and he doesn't have any pain at all, but that's cause he has had a lifelong commitment to exercising his body. And it's not to impress chicks, the benefits are far greater than that.
Genetics has something to say, and for some, exercise just causes more pain cause of how wrongly they do it. I'm the guy that if I go just a week or two without exercise, I'm feeling it.

I'm just gonna do as little as I can get away with in wow, and see how far the team wants me on the mythic rooster.

[awadh]

If you have a family/ other responsibilities that may not be the case. If you only have work/wow that may be true.

I love how so many people seem to have this mentality. Would you say that to someone in actual conversation, or would you empathize? If you can't do x then you are bad at y. So lame.

Right, all the other people having families and working more than 40 hours a week, I wonder how they do it. Probably not by asking their family to respect their "me" time after their due dilligence in family matters. Because it is known that one can't have personal time off when having a family. It is always the case that when you come back from your 8 hour work shift, the other 8-10 hours before going to sleep is fully occupied by family/household stuff. Always... no exceptions. So yes, sarcasm aside, if you come home from work and can't have 3-4 hours for yourself for 2-3 times a week out of the possible 7, you are doing something wrong. If your familiy steals all your time... your family has issues.

[ifrah]

Not sure if there's again the "oh look at me sacrificing all my time to work/family/this/that/combination of them, I just can-not afford the time this game requires, I'm so much better" message hidden here somewhere, but I'll take the bait, whatever it was.
You can play this game while having a full-time work. Even such that takes more than 9 to 5, Mon to Fri. Even if you have a SO or a family. Even if you have other hobbies on top. Shocking as it may sound, time management and prioritizing things is not something that ceases to exist even if WoW is added in the mix. Nothing in this game is something that can't wait for a week or two, if your schedules won't fit. Unless you play for R14 on classic servers. Pretty much everything else is perfectly doable, and then some.

[kamuimac]

Not sure if there's again the "oh look at me sacrificing all my time to work/family/this/that/combination of them, I just can-not afford the time this game requires, I'm so much better" message hidden here somewhere, but I'll take the bait, whatever it was.
You can play this game while having a full-time work. Even such that takes more than 9 to 5, Mon to Fri. Even if you have a SO or a family. Even if you have other hobbies on top. Shocking as it may sound, time management and prioritizing things is not something that ceases to exist even if WoW is added in the mix. Nothing in this game is something that can't wait for a week or two, if your schedules won't fit. Unless you play for R14 on classic servers. Pretty much everything else is perfectly doable, and then some.

ye sure ... ofc you can ...

if you want soon to call your SO as EX and be a full time alimony payer.

its cute though how much people love to lie on internet

[Miraketh]

Why do you want CE if you can’t commit to a raid team?

Since WotLK over to BfA u was ez able to raid World 200 with 2x 3h Raidschedule what is possible even if u work.

There is absolut no other Reason to play WoW beside Raids, every other aspect of the game u can have in much better quality in other games.