"We must make our choice. We may have democracy, or we may have wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both."
-Louis Brandeis
Folly and fakery have always been with us... but it has never before been as dangerous as it is now, never in history have we been able to afford it less. - Isaac Asimov
Every damn thing you do in this life, you pay for. - Edith Piaf
The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command. - Orwell
No amount of belief makes something a fact. - James Randi
Which like...was the point. I'm not sure how else to tell this to you. The support is there in the abstract, when people can fill in whatever details they want with their opinions. But when you start getting down to brass tacks, something I don't think Sanders has done. He's proposed legislation in the past, and grand promises, but he's never come out with a detailed plan that I've seen. Broad strokes and leave the specifics like how to pay for it to figure out later, sure, but nothing as remotely specific as Warren did. And it's part of what sunk Warren.
The biggest for of M4A isn't "centrist democrats", it's specifics.
What's a PMC? And she more middle aged/educated voters than Sanders, who skewed far more towards less politically involved and younger crowds. And she acted as a "Judas against Sanders" for endorsing Biden?
Man, seriously, it's getting difficult to tell "progressives" apart from the Freedom Caucus/Tea Party and their RINO/purity test nonsense.
M4A is the same as the Iraq war rhetoric. We believe Trump in saying he is against Iraq war, despite him pushing the idea of crazy Muslims dancing on rooftops to celebrate 9/11.
At no point, do these people realize that they are demanding we compromise, with the very people generating the support for all of this shit they complain about. At some point, they need to realize that all of these problems are founded on a base that supports it and trying to compromise with said base, is the reason neoliberal and incrementalism is slander. It’s all based on what these NeoClassic Liberals don’t understand...
Folly and fakery have always been with us... but it has never before been as dangerous as it is now, never in history have we been able to afford it less. - Isaac Asimov
Every damn thing you do in this life, you pay for. - Edith Piaf
The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command. - Orwell
No amount of belief makes something a fact. - James Randi
On MMO-C we learn that Anti-Fascism is locking arms with corporations, the State Department and agreeing with the CIA, But opposing the CIA and corporate America, and thinking Jews have a right to buy land and can expect tenants to pay rent THAT is ultra-Fash Nazism. Bellingcat is an MI6/CIA cut out. Clyburn Truther.
Here is a list of NRA approved healthcare providers:
https://www.nraapprovedservices.com/...dical-benefits
Folly and fakery have always been with us... but it has never before been as dangerous as it is now, never in history have we been able to afford it less. - Isaac Asimov
Every damn thing you do in this life, you pay for. - Edith Piaf
The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command. - Orwell
No amount of belief makes something a fact. - James Randi
The right whinges about Pelosi more than they do any other politician. I love how she's simultaneously the most incompetent and idiotic woman in the legislature, and also an evil communist mastermind at the same time, at least according to conservatives. But the point remains, she plays the right like a fiddle. Pelosi played the fuck out of Trump. If Trump was playing 5D chess, Pelosi had already won while Trump was figuring out his first move. Pelosi hamstrung Trump at so many points and the right screeched about it, it was fucking hilarious. The one thing I'm going to miss about the Trump presidency is watching Pelosi outsmart Trump every day.
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Can you believe people like @Theodarzna hilariously take Krystal Ball seriously and think she's some kind of political prodigy?
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Pelosi has passed a whole lot more relief for the people. They're just sitting on McConnell's desk. I'd say you can be forgiven for your ignorance about bills passed by congress since you've been absent for 4 years, but well, we all know why you weren't around and it's no excuse. Also, ignorance isn't an excuse to whinge about things Pelosi has or hasn't done when you haven't been keeping up.
2014 Gamergate: "If you want games without hyper sexualized female characters and representation, then learn to code!"
2023: "What's with all these massively successful games with ugly (realistic) women? How could this have happened?!"
Literally not what I've ever said. Seriously Theo, your strawman arguments are getting exhausting.
Strawmen. Strawmen everywhere.
To remind you, since you apparently don't read anything I write, the country isn't ready for M4A, though we're getting closer and closer. Support went from 40% in 2000 to we're now seeing 70%+ levels of support for the abstract concept - https://www.kff.org/slideshow/public...care-coverage/
(KFF is a non-profit organization and not associated with the hospital, so they don't stand to benefit or lose either way)
Because like it or not, most change in the US happens via boiling the frog after decades of work/progress. Not overnight. You want it to happen overnight because that's what's easy, and making massive policy changes isn't easy.
Man, if only those 600+ bills on McConnell's desk were any indication of what "The establishment" is doing. I realize you think the legislature not passing anything is an indication of how malicious and incompetent they are, but for some reason you always seem to forget McConnell has erected a giant wall.
But again, you're using ignorance as an excuse to whinge about the evil establishment neo liberal deep state george soros pizza basement pedophile ring.
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Policy change in the 20th century happened when ideas had much lower support. But the US was also far more liberal in the 20th century, willing to try new things for the sake of progress. Theo has convinced herself that the Republicans are merely an audience that idly sits by and watches the liberal establishment start wars. Reality is that Democrats are constantly trying to pass bills that would help people. Better health care laws, expansion of medicare and medicaid, better unemployment, better disability aid. Instead every single one of these bills is stonewalled by Mitch the Bitch, and then Theo sits back and pretends that either
1) Republicans don't exist and neither do these social aid bills that Democrats are always passing
or
2) Democrats and Republicans are working together to simply make it "look" like Democrats are passing these bills in good faith, when in reality everyone in congress is a neo liberal and it's all just grand theater. That Pelosi and McConnell sit behind closed doors talking about how to put on a grand performance to convince the drooling masses that they're "trying" and failing.
It's rather difficult to adjust my mindset to that of Theo to figure out just what she's thinking, because I often have to disregard the vast majority of reality to get in such a mindset.
2014 Gamergate: "If you want games without hyper sexualized female characters and representation, then learn to code!"
2023: "What's with all these massively successful games with ugly (realistic) women? How could this have happened?!"
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Professional Managerial Class. Its Theo's Husband's belief that corporate interests (aka Capital) controls the Democratic Party and their Divisive Woke Agenda. Never mind that Warren's campaign contributions were heavily dominated by small donations and the Woke Agenda is only divisive because it scolds racists for being racist.
Warren was better than Sanders because she's more serious about providing details and is better at fighting corruption. The latter of which Theo's Husband cares little about although no one should be shocked that a racist doesn't care about justice.
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The strategy was to make Jimmy Dore more money and seeing how he is making the national press, he succeeded... how else is a failed comedian supposed to pay off the 2 million dollar mansion he bought in 2019?
Was step two, passing it and then having McConnel attach revoking 230 and starting an election investigation? To force even the democrats who support M4A, to vote against it in the senate? It’s not like something like this happened just last week...
Edit: Since you think this is step one... Can you tell me what’s in the M4A bill that Jimmy is pushing? What’s the coverage and/or cost and/or how the cost would be covered? If step one is voting on M4A, what step is defining what M4A is? Step 17? It passes and then we figure out what we passed? We vote on slogans, instead of policy now? Oh Jimmy...
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Just a reminder... It took so long to pass ACA, that a congressman died during the process and his replacement forced changes to policy, so it can pass the new congress. It wasn’t just a vote on an empty piece of paper, with the letters A C A... on it...
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Folly and fakery have always been with us... but it has never before been as dangerous as it is now, never in history have we been able to afford it less. - Isaac Asimov
Every damn thing you do in this life, you pay for. - Edith Piaf
The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command. - Orwell
No amount of belief makes something a fact. - James Randi
You're money-shaming him for supporting M4A?
Would his message be somehow more powerful if he was bankrupt?
As opposed to dozens of other bills already sitting on his desk that Democrats had no problem voting for despite that?Was step two, passing it and then having McConnel attach revoking 230 and starting an election investigation?
Yes, to force those not principled enough to reveal their true colors (or "conditions").To force even the democrats who support M4A, to vote against it in the senate? It’s not like something like this happened just last week...
There is only one M4A bill in Congress records as far as i see, namely Medicare for All Act of 2019.Edit: Since you think this is step one... Can you tell me what’s in the M4A bill that Jimmy is pushing?
It was relatively unique situation - final vote was 216 - 208 - 3. 5 people voting "against" instead of "for" would be enough to force repeat of the process (in which Pelosi still could be brought up for vote again, it wouldn't eliminate her).
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Originally Posted by Marjane Satrapi
@Rozz could you assist here?
Folly and fakery have always been with us... but it has never before been as dangerous as it is now, never in history have we been able to afford it less. - Isaac Asimov
Every damn thing you do in this life, you pay for. - Edith Piaf
The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command. - Orwell
No amount of belief makes something a fact. - James Randi
Folly and fakery have always been with us... but it has never before been as dangerous as it is now, never in history have we been able to afford it less. - Isaac Asimov
Every damn thing you do in this life, you pay for. - Edith Piaf
The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command. - Orwell
No amount of belief makes something a fact. - James Randi