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  1. #181
    I'm happy with the vault. I get the choice between 3 challenger pvp items, 2-3 ilvl 220-223 pieces from mythic+ and 3 213-220 pieces from CN. I suck at pvp, but capping honor and reaching a decent rating is still easy in RBGs.

    All the activities that unlock Vault choices are things I find entertaining anyway, so I don't really feel like I'm working towards my Vault loot, and having a choice is a big improvement over the previous incarnation of the m+ weekly chest.
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  2. #182
    Quote Originally Posted by kaminaris View Post
    I still can't wrap my head around why people ignore all other decisions and say "choice is good", is it so easy to get scammed now?

    Like saying its a good thing because you got a $100 raise in job...

    While ignoring that free daily meals are gone
    Office was moved few km away so you have to travel longer
    paid bonuses are totally gone, that alone could be way higher than 100.
    daily break was reduced from 45 minutes to 15.

    So it's not good if we consider all the things.
    LOL, how is this possible??? What an analogy!

    TGV is way better than the old chest, its not even compareable. You are bringing 7 more arguments int your posts because you know you can't argue against that fact.

    Nice sig btw. Both are wrong, the second one no one ever said so you are kinda being a hypocrite, again. Not surprisingly. When you write quotes like that, people tend to actually link the exact quote, but you can't because its made up. Keep it coming as always!

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  3. #183
    Quote Originally Posted by kaminaris View Post
    Stop dude. His complaints about GV are valid whatever you like it or not. Being cynical doesn't make you win conversations which by the way you just hijacked.
    He was replying to some insane comment of dude calling people "monkey brain".

    The whole purpose of GV is flawed. It shifts rewards away from content to weekly click-lootbox with checklist style similar to mobile game design. Not to mention you have no control whatsoever about the outcome.

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  4. #184
    I will post my opinion later, after checking out what I've got in the GV.


  5. #185
    My biggest complaint about the vault is the ilvl distribution, not the RNG, I think the choice to content ratio is pretty good and its way better than the BFA chest but the fact that completing a single M+8, not even on time, is more valuable than killing the first 8 Heroic Bosses is a big problem. The raid row has been completely irrelevant to me every week since castle opened because my M+ row is always significantly higher ilvl. This is problematic.

    Raid gear in general feels problematic. As my guild was clearing through normal Nathria, I was vendoring or trading nearly every drop because I was in full 200 or better in almost every slot by the time the raid opened. This is the first raid in the history of my wow experience that in week 1 it offered almost no upgrades for me until heroic and even now that we are working on heroic, half the gear in heroic isn't an upgrade either. Getting loot in a raid is a rewarding feeling. It is unfortunate that it is missing in SL. I honestly don't even care about the low drop rates in the raid because most bosses don't have anything I want.

    Be interesting to see what happens with tier sets in future raids if this pattern persists. If tier set items are only available in raid it will really mess with things if M+ is still rewarding significantly higher ilvl gear relative to skill requirement/effort. Players will be forced to choose between a lower ilvl or having a set bonus. (mythic raiding being the exception, but that isn't content most players will push while it is current)

  6. #186
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    Quote Originally Posted by LuckyOne View Post
    I've already seen this several times that players are either misinformed or take secondary stats way more important than they usually are for their class/spec, does someone know where that thinking came from?
    In the past, when we had really high ilvl gear and secondary stat values were huge, secondary stats were king. Now, they actually provide minimal increases. Their importance is only noticeable on jewelry.
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  7. #187
    Quote Originally Posted by Steelangel View Post
    I'm pretty sure that in Legion and BfA secondary stats were valued much higher than they are now. We saw some crazy corruption stacking (Mages+Mastery, Rogues+Haste were stupid OP) in Ny'alotha and that depended much less on ilevel and much more on the secondary stats.
    You're right. Somewhere in early-mid Legion they increased the amount of secondary stats you needed to get 1% by quite a bit. And as the poster below you says as of SL you now start getting diminishing returns if you stack too heavily.
    The most difficult thing for people to do is objectively look at something they don't like and be able to accept that it is not bad, that other people like it, and if it was changed to the way they'd like it that other people would not like it and want it changed back. The second most is to receive something they didn't want or ask for and be grateful for it, not immediately demand what they wanted instead.

  8. #188
    Quote Originally Posted by kamuimac View Post
    technically GV is brilliant as it premiums the most vocal crowd - streamers and youtubrs get carried plus they play like 80 hours a week so ofc they get bis

    while 90 % of playerbase who dont get carried / dont play 80 hours a week get rubbish choices , get screwed by rng and will take a year to gear up .

    so streamers/youtubers do the PR job sayin how brilliant expansion is while your average player ? either he accepts being 2nd rate citizen or leaves game

    1 thing is certain - streamers certainly won this expansion - even though its killing this game
    The thing is, not even playing 80h a week guarantee anything. The only way to guarantee anything is to buy BoE from raid.
    BfA > Wotlk > Cata > ... > SL > WoD ~ TBC > Vanilla > ................ ? .............. > Legion
    You said corruption was great system. Can't find it and proceeds to lie again.
    Legendaries were such a great system I had them all before blizz lifted softcap

  9. #189
    Man, wow used to be good. But now that I only get 2 pieces to drop from m+ instead of 3? I just don't know. Now raids only drop like 1-2 pieces per clear instead of 2-3???? Better unsub lmao. Yall are clowns. GV gives 9x as many options as previous chests too. Gear is easy mode.

  10. #190
    What exactly are you expecting from the vault if ilvl upgrades aren't it?
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  11. #191
    Are people really complaining about the Vault? It is great!

  12. #192
    Quote Originally Posted by kaminaris View Post
    No? You had master loot and/or TF, bonus rolls, badges. Literally in entire wow history RNG didn't have so much too say about you gear than now.
    Badges gave you inferior gear always, and can we stop with this fiction that the bonus roll was so awesome? Most of the time you got AP, weehee. Or it was the item you didn't want. I would like them back still, but they don't do much to fix a gearing problem. Blizzard should just up the drop rates to what they were previously and done, system fixed.
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  13. #193
    Some of the restrictions are dumb. Like if I do enough for one PvP reward and one raid reward, I should get two items, not just one, since they're itemized for different purposes.

  14. #194
    Quote Originally Posted by crusadernero View Post
    I like the idea of the great vault. With that said.. Am I the only one thinking the requirements are a bit steep? Many of the activites requires time to complete, especially if you want to take part in several aspects of the game.

    Personally I would love a return of justice/valor system along with the GV. Make GV generate random good gear while badges could serve as a means to buy decent enough gear. It also sucks running dungeons/raids without getting jack shit. Atleast give me something.

    PvP actually feels decent enough atm, cause win or lose, you get honor that you can spend on something.
    What item level gear do you think badge gear should drop, and from what loot table should it pull from or if it creates it’s own loot table how many slots should it cover?

  15. #195
    Quote Originally Posted by phattsao View Post
    Some of the restrictions are dumb. Like if I do enough for one PvP reward and one raid reward, I should get two items, not just one, since they're itemized for different purposes.
    No, because then you would be 'required' to do all 3 activities. Instead of just what you are willing to do because you only get 1 item anyway.
    It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death

  16. #196
    Quote Originally Posted by Jastall View Post
    Badges gave you inferior gear always, and can we stop with this fiction that the bonus roll was so awesome? Most of the time you got AP, weehee. Or it was the item you didn't want. I would like them back still, but they don't do much to fix a gearing problem. Blizzard should just up the drop rates to what they were previously and done, system fixed.
    But they did give you gear you wanted. And as for bonus rolls, they did work, usually I got 1-3 items per tier I wanted. Just had to roll them on bosses you knew they don't have too high loot table. They did work, especially when they got BLP attached. Still better than current system, and somehow you forgot master loot.

    Plus, upping droprates won't fix shit by itself because that's not a problem. Problem is lack of any deterministic sub-system and gigantic gear disparity for M+ vs great weekly bingo lottery.
    BfA > Wotlk > Cata > ... > SL > WoD ~ TBC > Vanilla > ................ ? .............. > Legion
    You said corruption was great system. Can't find it and proceeds to lie again.
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  17. #197
    Quote Originally Posted by Argorwal View Post
    What item level gear do you think badge gear should drop, and from what loot table should it pull from or if it creates it’s own loot table how many slots should it cover?
    I cant give you those numbers, cant be bothered right now to find out all the current top ilevel gear.

    Maybe something around raid finder ilevel? Thats 187 atm I think? Or maybe normal raid gear level at 200. PS! Not sure about ilevel numbers.

    The loot table for badges can be more or less the loot tables from dungeons or unique so people farm them for apperance to.

    Its not needed to drop ALOT of badges everyday or every week, but something would be nice to gain from dungeon spams. The honor gear upgrade is rather nice and a good example. You start off with buying the blue gear and after getting enough honor, you can upgrade that gear to a certain ilevel. Makes doing random BGs worthwhile instead of just the one daily for 40 conquest.

  18. #198
    Quote Originally Posted by crusadernero View Post
    I cant give you those numbers, cant be bothered right now to find out all the current top ilevel gear.

    Maybe something around raid finder ilevel? Thats 187 atm I think? Or maybe normal raid gear level at 200. PS! Not sure about ilevel numbers.

    The loot table for badges can be more or less the loot tables from dungeons or unique so people farm them for apperance to.

    Its not needed to drop ALOT of badges everyday or every week, but something would be nice to gain from dungeon spams. The honor gear upgrade is rather nice and a good example. You start off with buying the blue gear and after getting enough honor, you can upgrade that gear to a certain ilevel. Makes doing random BGs worthwhile instead of just the one daily for 40 conquest.
    If the gear isn’t that strong to me it becomes kind of pointless.

    Valor never included weapons, and we already get a free set of just below normal raid of 200 in 8 slot covenant armor.

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    Also not a fan of the great vault. It’s an RNG mess and not much better than the BFA version.

    I agree with other posters that boss reroll tokens are a better system. And for PvP, just raise the conquest cap instead, 550 is hilariously low.
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  20. #200
    Quote Originally Posted by kaminaris View Post
    But they did give you gear you wanted. And as for bonus rolls, they did work, usually I got 1-3 items per tier I wanted. Just had to roll them on bosses you knew they don't have too high loot table. They did work, especially when they got BLP attached. Still better than current system, and somehow you forgot master loot.

    Plus, upping droprates won't fix shit by itself because that's not a problem. Problem is lack of any deterministic sub-system and gigantic gear disparity for M+ vs great weekly bingo lottery.
    I didn't forget Master Loot, Blizzard did and they made it clear it ain't coming back like it or not, in large part I think due to being a lot less stress on their CS team.

    Lack of deterministic system? Great Vault is more deterministic than anything since badge gear itself. Coin wasn't deterministic (or I guess Azerite vendor, for all of 3 slots, yay), it was still heavily reliant on RNG and people complained about coin all the time.
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