Isn't Assassination receive buff soon +8%. I don'y know about M+15, but on lower keys I have no problem keeping up with other classes. Only negative I think dungeons are not very melee friendly, but this just might be my feeling. When they buff Assa, moving around shouldn't be such a big problem. I'm not anymore hardcore player, more casual one - I don't feel there is anything wrong with Rogues.
I hate to be that guy, but if you're playing assassination and are keeping up with people during raids or mythic+, you're playing with terrible players.
Sin rogues are underperforming across the board, whether it be burst dps, sustained dps, target switching, cleave or AoE, we're really shitting it, and i doubt an 8% overall buff changes a lot except maybe our sustained single target.
always blows my mind how people who play rogues,an S tier class since DAY 1 OF WOW,can complain about it....there has never been an expansion where atleast one spec of rogue was not top tier in pve and pvp,often times it was broken op
just had a quick look. there are 2 entire classes who are worse than rogues worst spec. and rogues best spec is better than 5 classes. you're fine.
i will say we did bench rogues for some bosses, but that was more because we needed the other classes than that there was anything wrong with the rogues. but i can't say i have much pity for rogues in that regard seeing how often cloak of shadow has been just as OP in the past.
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I feel like you guys are arguing about the wrong thing. Outlaw damage is fine, and therefore the rogue class is fine at the moment. The REAL problem for rogue right now isn't damage, it's every other melee bringing a buff or AMZ to the raid, while rogue still only brings damage. Half the problem right now is why bring a rogue when you can stack DKs and have 4 AMZ and more dps. The literal issue for Rogue is it's the only melee that brings nothing that can't be achieved with the more meta hunter.
I've been maining a combat rogue since EU launch, this is literally our problem every time rogues are "in trouble". This expansion especially also has a lot of anti-melee bosses in the dungeons (haven't raided, so can't speak for Castle Nathrias), forcing a lot of movement and therefore dropped DPS. So when your class only brings DPS, and other melees bring the same DPS + buffs, you're going to drop the class that only brings one thing. A lot of packs have true sight mobs too, making sapping targets quite difficult, which doesn't help either.
Yeah sin in m+ needs bug fixing and higher mastery values + azerite and essence dmg and we are good to go ^^
They also stated that the 8% will not be enough. I would not be surprised if more buffs are kn their way
the one where rogues are trash in every regard.
Rogues genuinly suck at pvp, literally the only rogues in top 50 on both EU and NA are Blizzcon contenders. meanwhile we have people like Quin up there on his paladin now keep in mind Rogues are one of the most popular pvp classes in the game, so when their representation isnt great, it really speaks volumes, unlike DK's who only have 1 in the top 50 on both NA and EU, but he is also rank 1, just not a particularly popular class in the high end.
Does this mean they are unplayable? evidently not, but when people like Whaaz literally drop their rogue to go and play a warrior and a monk, theres usually a reason for it.
PvE this is the first time rogues are underperforming, like ever. they bring very limited utility unlike classes like Ret, or DK's with Bops, Freedoms, and Anti magic zones, which are all pretty fucking huge, and they dont bring a battle shout, or 5% phys damage like monks.
then theres the gearing situation, if you want to play a rogue right now u want to be Sub for PVP and for Single target, Outlaw for cleave and M+. their gear is not compatible. they want different everything. which is incredibly aids in Shadow lands particularly with its weekly gated bullshit. Weapons? no problem im 2.4k rated, sadly i have to wait 2 weeks for every weapon I want, and it also means giving up on other items, so Ive just gone casual, afking till ive gotten all my weekly shit to play both speccs, so i can actually play the damn game.
Im not even a rogue player, only picked rogue cuz I considered it a safe pick, what a joke. in general the balancing of this expac is atrocious, casters already topping meters left right and center in the first raid tier while scaling better than all melees? poggers...
also rogue scaling is literally trash compared to every other class in the game atm.
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?? do you have a point or did u just throw some random sentence out there? or was it supposed to mean that rogues are fine? cuz that is not how you do statistics, if anything you should be comparing the percentage representation in comparison to previous raid tiers, and even that would be a weak argument.
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S tier according to who, and in what content?
They are most certainly not S tier when none are brought by any top guilds. thats some wack shit to say. if you're on about M+ then yes, right now they are taken over stuff like Monks because of Mind numbing poison, and Shroud, but since rogue scaling is trash compared to for example monks, they are most likely gonna phase out. its already happening, every top key had a rogue early on, and every day the representation of yellows in top keys is dropping.
In PVP? they are C tier at best atm, only reason rogues are even C tier is because their setup is still perfect for Fire mages, and fire mages are busted. if mages were nerfed rogues would become irrelevant completely in PVP. literally every top rogue agrees they are in a super bad spot atm, Whaaz, Pika etc.
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thats why i picked rogue for this expansion, what a meme that was. if you dont think they are in a bad spot then you're either clueless or delusional. So much for my safe pick.
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you obviously know fuck all about rogue, theres a multitude of issues with what u just said, Sub can ONLY single target, and bring 0 raid utility atm, while doing dog shit ST Dps considering it is literally all it can do.
which means u need gear for both Outlaw and Sub, sadly SL is weekly gated as fuck so getting both is gonna take months.
and they both still suck in pvp lel, facerolling my 190 ilvl boomkin on higher rating than my rogue atm, its such a meme, literally only able to play RMP, and granted, dont have any "good mages" to play with but not like the mage has to know how to play in RMP. cant even stay above 2.4k as Thug, and RPS is genuinly just a meme at the effort and difficulty to make it work while i just randomly convoke my way to 2.6k on my zero gear boomy omegalul
And who cares why? Just because some logs show some things based on raid comp and how easy they are to play means nothing to the vast majority of the wow population.
Unless, of course, you're the kind of person who thinks that because some neckbeard who plays at a level higher than you has X spec you should have the same spec or it's all trash because fuck having fun right?
Why rest in peace? what did i miss? Dps wise is top 10 with a small difference in power between 10-4 damage wise, except the obvious Balance/Unholy/MM, so number wise it's in a good spot, really high chance it will not get nerf, i can't touch pvp wise but I assume rogue is rogue, I sincerely don't see what is the problem
I feel a lot of people here are heavily overestimating the level they are playing at
Sin rogues are underperforming sheet wise because no S-Tier-Player is willingly to play it. If more of the better rogues would decide to play assa and min-maxing the gear and rotation out of it, the difference would be marginal or rather non existant in practise.
But this is the problem with the "meta mentality". Because some Bot has told us like couple month even before shadowlands release that sub is better than assa, pretty much all rogues are following this one direction without questioning. This is the biggest mistake a player can do. A S-Tier-Assa-Rogue outperforms a F-Tier-Sub-Rogue by far. Individual player skill matters.