the one where rogues are trash in every regard.
Rogues genuinly suck at pvp, literally the only rogues in top 50 on both EU and NA are Blizzcon contenders. meanwhile we have people like Quin up there on his paladin
now keep in mind Rogues are one of the most popular pvp classes in the game, so when their representation isnt great, it really speaks volumes, unlike DK's who only have 1 in the top 50 on both NA and EU, but he is also rank 1, just not a particularly popular class in the high end.
Does this mean they are unplayable? evidently not, but when people like Whaaz literally drop their rogue to go and play a warrior and a monk, theres usually a reason for it.
PvE this is the first time rogues are underperforming, like ever. they bring very limited utility unlike classes like Ret, or DK's with Bops, Freedoms, and Anti magic zones, which are all pretty fucking huge, and they dont bring a battle shout, or 5% phys damage like monks.
then theres the gearing situation, if you want to play a rogue right now u want to be Sub for PVP and for Single target, Outlaw for cleave and M+. their gear is not compatible. they want different everything. which is incredibly aids in Shadow lands particularly with its weekly gated bullshit. Weapons? no problem im 2.4k rated, sadly i have to wait 2 weeks for every weapon I want, and it also means giving up on other items, so Ive just gone casual, afking till ive gotten all my weekly shit to play both speccs, so i can actually play the damn game.
Im not even a rogue player, only picked rogue cuz I considered it a safe pick, what a joke. in general the balancing of this expac is atrocious, casters already topping meters left right and center in the first raid tier while scaling better than all melees? poggers...
also rogue scaling is literally trash compared to every other class in the game atm.
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?? do you have a point or did u just throw some random sentence out there? or was it supposed to mean that rogues are fine? cuz that is not how you do statistics, if anything you should be comparing the percentage representation in comparison to previous raid tiers, and even that would be a weak argument.
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S tier according to who, and in what content?
They are most certainly not S tier when none are brought by any top guilds. thats some wack shit to say. if you're on about M+ then yes, right now they are taken over stuff like Monks because of Mind numbing poison, and Shroud, but since rogue scaling is trash compared to for example monks, they are most likely gonna phase out. its already happening, every top key had a rogue early on, and every day the representation of yellows in top keys is dropping.
In PVP? they are C tier at best atm, only reason rogues are even C tier is because their setup is still perfect for Fire mages, and fire mages are busted. if mages were nerfed rogues would become irrelevant completely in PVP. literally every top rogue agrees they are in a super bad spot atm, Whaaz, Pika etc.
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thats why i picked rogue for this expansion, what a meme that was. if you dont think they are in a bad spot then you're either clueless or delusional. So much for my safe pick.
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you obviously know fuck all about rogue, theres a multitude of issues with what u just said, Sub can ONLY single target, and bring 0 raid utility atm, while doing dog shit ST Dps considering it is literally all it can do.
which means u need gear for both Outlaw and Sub, sadly SL is weekly gated as fuck so getting both is gonna take months.
and they both still suck in pvp lel, facerolling my 190 ilvl boomkin on higher rating than my rogue atm, its such a meme, literally only able to play RMP, and granted, dont have any "good mages" to play with but not like the mage has to know how to play in RMP. cant even stay above 2.4k as Thug, and RPS is genuinly just a meme at the effort and difficulty to make it work while i just randomly convoke my way to 2.6k on my zero gear boomy omegalul