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  1. #221
    Push your own keys, make friends, get in a decent guild, play meta classes.
    Pick 1~
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  2. #222
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    Quote Originally Posted by Penegal View Post
    Hardly. Raider.IO has helped so many runs it's not even funny at this point. Every time I take a chance on a lower rio player, it seems that their score is very, very correct. 99% of the time they turn out to be so stupid it's surprising they can even read.
    What about people with low IO, cause they simply run like 1-2 max M+ dungeons per week, if they are lucky to find a group (since they can't dedicate more time to it), and not because they are necessarily awful?

    I can assure you, there is a plethora of such players in WoW. I work 5 / 7 (stock manager / staff director), have a lot of responsibilities IRL, have family, write a fantasy novel (atm 12/30 chapters done, already found a publisher), etc... If I find time to play several hours, its usually late in the night. I I'm super lucky and guild members can bother to take me along to some M 7-8-9, its great. If not, I'm getting denied with my ilvl 204 even for M+ 5-6 cause Im both Ret and have around 300 IO (since I've completed maybe 8-9 M runs entire SL).

    How am I supposed to get better or even prove myself, if I'm not given any opportunity to begin with? Spec filtering also plays major role here, since pugs prefer 190 boomie or hunter to 204 Ret. And few guildmates who run higher keys, prefer meta classes and quick clearings. There are 7-8 people constantly running 12-13+ keys, but they don't really take others along.

    I believe I'm not the only player having troubles like that, and yes, I partially blame R.IO for this trouble. Otherwise (if people would just check armory and ilvl in my case) I could at least get the spots I believe I deserve in some moderate level M+ runs, but IO is the reason I actually have a hard time to. Sorry, getting declined for, say, Tirna 5 with 204, when you overgear it by a mile, is pathetic.
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  3. #223
    Quote Originally Posted by Malania View Post
    I don't know why. Summoning a pet and dismissing it takes a few seconds. Lazy Hunters I guess? Although to me it seems more like a "take a BM" problem.

    Also fuck rio. It's just gear score with extra steps.
    As a MM I would just use a pet on boss(es). I lose 400 dps. Who cares. Hero would more than make up for my slight handicap. If the group wanted me to use it elsewhere I would. It's not that big a deal. Would taking a BM instead be any better? I think it would actually be worse.
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    why so mad bro

  4. #224
    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksej89 View Post
    Other than that i don't know what else could be a reason - either bad luck or some negative stigma vs warlocks but there are worse classes than warlocks out there.
    There is some of that, and it's been increasing slowly throughout the years. The community perception of warlocks in M+ has deteriorated badly lately. We were never a meta class, and there was always something better, but there were zero issues getting invited throughout Legion and at the start of BfA. And every season of BfA it was worse and worse - and it has now reached a point where you cant even get invited even to do the weekly shit, we are not talking about high keys here.

  5. #225
    You need to play meta specialization to be invited into higher-keys. Warlock is not one of them. Play hunter, mage or owl.

    Or even better tank DH. Draeneis and elves women will lick you in every place of your body for that.
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  6. #226
    Quote Originally Posted by WskyDK View Post
    Blizz is partially to blame for this.
    There are zero ways ingame to tell how good a player actually is.
    A scaling-difficulty dungeon, and a time limit therein, where failure is met with virtually zero reward means the community has to fend for itself for people who actually want to play it. Raider.io is far from perfect, but is only a single metric that should be looked at when it comes to determining player ability.

    This week I want to try and avoid melee if I can help it since they're likely to take a tick or two of sanguine, and could drop quaking on the tank.
    Dungeon also makes a difference. Depths this week means I want to build a more balanced melee/ranged group despite the first point. The dungeon has too many confined areas to stack on area with quaking. in depths I also want to avoid casters if I can since many of them seem to prefer eating shit that stopping a cast to avoid things (hello ring boss).

    To the original point though. The only metrics I have when it comes to sorting through players applying for my key (which aren't even high in the slightest. trying to finish +10's this week since my work schedule is good) are their io and ilvl. Neither of which paints a good picture of player ability, but they're literally the only thing I can look at to try and not have my time wasted.
    Don't blame Blizzard at all. Because in reality, it's the boosters who are to blame. People with high raider.io scores that have absolutely no idea how to play the game. But then there's people who expect high raider.io because they just want a carry. The entire pve community has become so toxic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ermelloth View Post
    What about people with low IO
    It's not really relevant because even high rio doesn't get you invited. You have to pass the class test more than ever before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ermelloth View Post
    What about people with low IO, cause they simply run like 1-2 max M+ dungeons per week, if they are lucky to find a group (since they can't dedicate more time to it), and not because they are necessarily awful?

    I can assure you, there is a plethora of such players in WoW. I work 5 / 7 (stock manager / staff director), have a lot of responsibilities IRL, have family, write a fantasy novel (atm 12/30 chapters done, already found a publisher), etc... If I find time to play several hours, its usually late in the night. I I'm super lucky and guild members can bother to take me along to some M 7-8-9, its great. If not, I'm getting denied with my ilvl 204 even for M+ 5-6 cause Im both Ret and have around 300 IO (since I've completed maybe 8-9 M runs entire SL).

    How am I supposed to get better or even prove myself, if I'm not given any opportunity to begin with? Spec filtering also plays major role here, since pugs prefer 190 boomie or hunter to 204 Ret. And few guildmates who run higher keys, prefer meta classes and quick clearings. There are 7-8 people constantly running 12-13+ keys, but they don't really take others along.

    I believe I'm not the only player having troubles like that, and yes, I partially blame R.IO for this trouble. Otherwise (if people would just check armory and ilvl in my case) I could at least get the spots I believe I deserve in some moderate level M+ runs, but IO is the reason I actually have a hard time to. Sorry, getting declined for, say, Tirna 5 with 204, when you overgear it by a mile, is pathetic.
    First off, you might think you deserve a spot but from my perspective in the LFG, you don't deserve anything and I don't owe you anything. No one in this game or outside of it is entitled to anything from strangers.

    Before I say anything else, I agree that a +5 can be timed with monkeys. You can literally take the first 2 dps, tank and healer in the LFG and you will time it unless someone decides to spam die and ninja pull the entire run.

    If you don't have time, push your own key. Simple as that. You make your own group. Then you get to pick the people. However, I can assure you that after getting burned a few times by the same low rIO players you invite trying to be considerate, you will find out the hard way that rIO is correct 95% of the time, if not more. This isn't strictly relevant to, say a +5 but you get the point.

    Also, yes, you can time a +5 or a +10 even even without any issue with your gear. That is true. People completed all 8 15s in week 1 in 190-200 gear. Gear is not the issue here. Experience is. If rIO shows a lack of experience I cannot be sure you have any idea what the mechanics are. What the priority on the targets is. What to interrupt when you have 2 abilities going off and only 1 kick. But guess what? Chances are the boomie does more DPS than a ret in lower gear, which in turn allows for faster clear time and more skipped mechanics. You automatically lose.

    Pugs prefer "meta" classes because they increase the success rate at any given skill level. Yes, the boomie I invite might turn out to be retarded. However, on paper, comparing a boomkin to a ret paladin with the same IO score, similar iLvl and no other information, the boomie wins 100% of the time. It's just expected they'll do more damage than you with similar or even lower gear and they will also be more useful than you in nearly every other situation. They bring a CR, a root, a typhoon / vortex, a soothe, have stealth, regular ressurection, Innervate for the healer and Stampeding Roar.

    And what does a ret bring? A 6 second stun, a regular 10 second ressurection and a BoP they can use to help out sometimes. You tell me who you would choose given the information I have given you and you only knowing both people's iLvl in the LFG tool. I bet you'd pick the boomkin, too.

    If I know you and know you're a good or at least decent player I can time the dungeon with, you can bet your ass I'll invite you over a random boomkin with double your IO. However, if I don't and I have a pool of literally 50+ people to choose from, you're likely not making the cut.

    If you want to practice and get better, push your own key. I know I'm repeating myself but this is the way to do it if you are an unwanted class / spec in pugs. It's nothing personal towards you. It's just everyone else wants to make it as easy as possible on themselves and minimize the risk of wasting their time.

    My time is just as precious as yours. Just because you can't set aside enough time to play the game enough, be it due to RL or other reasons, I am not obligated to play with you. It is not my problem. I have absolutely no idea who you are. It's very presumptious of you to expect of me or any pug in the LFG to put their faith in a stranger without having any way to get an indicator of their skill or experience. More often than not, RIO is very accurate. Every chance I've taken on a low RIO player has made me regret it.

    I'm well aware that there are good players with shit rio due to various reasons but that is not my problem - it's theirs.

    The game is an MMORPG, if your real life does not allow for you to spend time in game doing the activities you want, you have a few options:
    1. you either try your best to figure out a way to sneak in more time when possible
    2. do different activities that do not require people
    3. find players that are willing to play with you whenever you can be online
    4. simply move on to games with a much more lax time requirement, such as FPS or a MOBA games.

    I know it sounds harsh but no one in the game owes you anything. You may be the world's best ret paladin but to me you're a nobody in a pool of, quite literally, hundreds of people to choose from.

    The sooner you drop that mentality and start doing your own key and taking matters into your own hands, the sooner you will begin to have fun with M+ and the game in general.

  9. #229
    Quote Originally Posted by Skillslam View Post
    I will actively whisper warlocks apps after denying them and say stop being trash and reroll hunter, boom or mage. Same thing to all warriors of any spec. report them for trolling
    No you don't. You don't do anything of the sort. This is one of the weaker baits I've seen lately.

    I think there's a lot of confusion in this thread. OP IS making their own group. He is just sick of having to do that. Comments of "make your own group" are not helpful and it shows you haven't even read what the OP is typed. OP is.doing all he can to get the achievement done. I think he's upset that it took ages because people won't take locks.
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    why so mad bro

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    I will also add its deteriorated to the point where even 'make your own group' is becoming unviable, I have been making my own groups, and having people leave immediately after being invited because they do not want to run with locks.

  11. #231
    Quote Originally Posted by TheRevenantHero View Post
    Don't blame Blizzard at all. Because in reality, it's the boosters who are to blame. People with high raider.io scores that have absolutely no idea how to play the game. But then there's people who expect high raider.io because they just want a carry. The entire pve community has become so toxic.
    People with high rio are boosted and don't know how to play the game. Who are boosting them if people with high rio are boosted?!

    I am aware of boosts, but if you think that people have that much gold to be boosted to high rio... It's over 1M gold for timed +15

  12. #232
    You're an off meta class. That's literally it.

    Fuck, I'm playing a Resto Sham that I intentionally only progress via PuGs because I'm stupid or some shit. 215 and 1250 r.io doesn't seem to be enough to get into groups atm. Like, you only have a timed 14 of the particular dungeon in question? No thanks. Sorry, we're only looking for 1350 big pumpers. So what usually ends up happening is that I get into groups of single DPs players after wasting 20 minutes trying to get into a semi-full group - and once I'm in that group it's just people spending 20 minutes forming groups, just literally fucking waiting for Jesus to show up on his 230 equipped 2.3k r.io Mage or MM or Moonkin to carry their asses through a fucking 15 Mists. And then the dungeon begins and their mentally challenged DH tank with their awesome 1.3k r.io score jumps into 5 packs, gets globalled, calls out the healer and leaves.

    Same shit on my paladin. I have a 223 ilvl Pally tank with a 1120 r.io score. Absolutely no one is willing to take me to a 15. Bring a DH or go fuck off. I have absolutely never had that on any class. During all of BFA it didn't matter what class or spec I played as long as I had ilvl. I can distinctly remember playing Feral in m+ during the first weeks of BoD m+ - and no one fucking cared because I came in there with mythic Jaina gear in week 2 and swept the floor with absolutely everything. Nowadays? That's just no longer enough.

    I'm all for making your own groups, pushing your own keys, playing with your guild and all that shit. But holy fuck is this community destroying itself over the most recent months. I have never seen meta fotm bitching as bad as it is right now. And I know it's probably because Blizzard keeps making these dungeons more and more stupidly hard to the point where a 220 tank still has to resort to kiting on a constant basis in a dungeon that drops 207 gear... so you kinda have to be a meta bitch if you're just not that good at the game... but holy fuck, the community standards are just absolutely absurd right now - and it's made worse by people not being able to up their ilvl at all to overcome these shitty dungeons because all you get past 210 is like 1 avg ilvl per week unless you're getting obscenely lucky... and guess what, people obviously only want to play with the obscenely lucky.

    Basically, Blizzard shitting the bed with scaling and the reward structure and the community going more mental with every new season. Because, obviously, if Gingi isn't playing with a Warrior in his group then you just can't fucking bring a Warrior past +10. Obviously.

  13. #233
    Quote Originally Posted by Thalrend View Post
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    I would call you toxic but I think you have other things going in your life would triumph any bad thing I could say for you. Hope it get better for you in the future!
    You can call me toxic, but your class is useless. If a fact upsets you sorry bud.

  14. #234
    Just roll a tank/healer, never get turned down

  15. #235
    Quote Originally Posted by ztkraptor View Post
    You can call me toxic, but your class is useless. If a fact upsets you sorry bud.
    You're not just toxic. You're genuinely stupid and quite possibly terrible at the game.
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    If anyone still believes Sylvanas is responsible, you've not been paying attention.

  16. #236
    Make your own fucking group and quit bitching ffs. Nobody is obligated to choose you for their runs. Deal with it.

  17. #237
    Quote Originally Posted by Guilford View Post
    You're not just toxic. You're genuinely stupid and quite possibly terrible at the game.
    Yeah, can you tell me the reason why there isn't a warlock with a 2k IO score? Please explain this to me.
    You are clueless.

  18. #238
    Quote Originally Posted by erifwodahs View Post
    People with high rio are boosted and don't know how to play the game. Who are boosting them if people with high rio are boosted?!

    I am aware of boosts, but if you think that people have that much gold to be boosted to high rio... It's over 1M gold for timed +15
    I've seen a large handful of people with high raider.io but have absolutely no idea what they're doing. People absolutely have that much gold to burn. And then they destroy groups because they basically scam themselves into a non-boosted group and ruin everything.

  19. #239
    Quote Originally Posted by Gasparde View Post
    You're an off meta class. That's literally it.

    Fuck, I'm playing a Resto Sham that I intentionally only progress via PuGs because I'm stupid or some shit. 215 and 1250 r.io doesn't seem to be enough to get into groups atm. Like, you only have a timed 14 of the particular dungeon in question? No thanks. Sorry, we're only looking for 1350 big pumpers. So what usually ends up happening is that I get into groups of single DPs players after wasting 20 minutes trying to get into a semi-full group - and once I'm in that group it's just people spending 20 minutes forming groups, just literally fucking waiting for Jesus to show up on his 230 equipped 2.3k r.io Mage or MM or Moonkin to carry their asses through a fucking 15 Mists. And then the dungeon begins and their mentally challenged DH tank with their awesome 1.3k r.io score jumps into 5 packs, gets globalled, calls out the healer and leaves.

    Same shit on my paladin. I have a 223 ilvl Pally tank with a 1120 r.io score. Absolutely no one is willing to take me to a 15. Bring a DH or go fuck off. I have absolutely never had that on any class. During all of BFA it didn't matter what class or spec I played as long as I had ilvl. I can distinctly remember playing Feral in m+ during the first weeks of BoD m+ - and no one fucking cared because I came in there with mythic Jaina gear in week 2 and swept the floor with absolutely everything. Nowadays? That's just no longer enough.

    I'm all for making your own groups, pushing your own keys, playing with your guild and all that shit. But holy fuck is this community destroying itself over the most recent months. I have never seen meta fotm bitching as bad as it is right now. And I know it's probably because Blizzard keeps making these dungeons more and more stupidly hard to the point where a 220 tank still has to resort to kiting on a constant basis in a dungeon that drops 207 gear... so you kinda have to be a meta bitch if you're just not that good at the game... but holy fuck, the community standards are just absolutely absurd right now - and it's made worse by people not being able to up their ilvl at all to overcome these shitty dungeons because all you get past 210 is like 1 avg ilvl per week unless you're getting obscenely lucky... and guess what, people obviously only want to play with the obscenely lucky.

    Basically, Blizzard shitting the bed with scaling and the reward structure and the community going more mental with every new season. Because, obviously, if Gingi isn't playing with a Warrior in his group then you just can't fucking bring a Warrior past +10. Obviously.
    It gets really bad, yeah. In my key range (10-12) I'm even starting to be wary of MM hunters and Boomkins that don't have really high IO and thus are good, because a lot of them are FOTM rerollers that want free keys and are terrible. Just did a +12 ToP that we failed because the MM hunter was pretty bad, facepulled twice and I out-DPSed him with my Fury warrior despite having worse gear. And he had the gall to say we didn't time because Fury is trash. This is exactly the kind of player I loathe. And good luck even getting good MMs/boomies in that key range when they're off getting free invites in +15.

    If you ask me the dungeons, while more fun than BFA's, are just punishing this time around. The bosses especially can become one error = wipe affairs as early as +10 on Tyra (fuck the third boss in NW, seriously). Yeah, yeah, people who play this game for a living did their +15s at ilvl 200, whoopee doo, the game still shouldn't be designed around them for pete's sake, we mere mortals would like to have fun too.

    I'm not usually one for nostalgia, but jeez the M+ meta during Legion was the best and never got anywhere near as toxic even if it wasn't perfect, and I'm convinced it's because it was overall quite a bit easier than the BFA/SL one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ztkraptor View Post
    Yeah, can you tell me the reason why there isn't a warlock with a 2k IO score? Please explain this to me.
    You are clueless.
    Considering you are obviously trolling, I should not try to even argue with you, but here it goes. There is 46 people above 2 k raider io atm. Or 46 characters. Even if there is a warlock here, it doesn't mean that the class is bad. People in this rio atm is %0.001 fucking game. There is a warlock at 1950 raider io, which is prolly doubles your rio score . Just because a class is performing as good in top %0.001 of the m plus content, it doesn't mean the class is thrash. At that level where there is quite literally 9 groups in whole fucking world, they will get every single small advantage they can possibly get because it becomes night impossible to time keys even with the smallest of the small mistakes.

    Imagine non ironically comparing a class performance at +22 keys and saying class is thrash in general. Imagine being this toxic, ignorant and miserable of a human being.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jinpachi View Post
    Make your own fucking group and quit bitching ffs. Nobody is obligated to choose you for their runs. Deal with it.
    Since you haven't read anything in this thread and just wanted to make the generic "MakE YoUr oWn GrOuP." response , I already did. I will say this like I am explaining it to a toddler so maybe you will understand it maybe this time.

    I understand nobody has to invite anyone to any key.

    I understand that you have to do your own keys most of the time because most of the people in this community just sheep that listen to their favorite streamers opinions and make their groups according to that, so non-meta classes gets fucked in the arse.

    Having to make your own groups only and being able to find NO GROUPS AT ALL HOWEVER, is fucking annoying. This does not only happens in high keys, where shit actually matters, one can argue +15 this week is like +10 last week due how easy are the affixes. People do this behavior at +7+8 level. Heck people sometimes do this at +5 level since they are so fucking bad that anything that is not the best of the best is to much of a risk for them because they cannot even press their own buttons for the life of them.

    This creates a shit environment where people despise each other even more in this community. So the pug community devolves to a bigger shitshow . At least thats my opinion, you don't have to agree with me, but I ain't going to stop "biching" because you got annoyed at reading a thread that you can choose to, I don't know, not read.

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