Poll: Should Parler be deplatformed?

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  1. #881
    Quote Originally Posted by postman1782 View Post
    Good luck with that, again, you don't know our laws or constitution, and no one cares what you think should happen.
    "Internet as Utility" is fairly common modern line of thinking everywhere, including US.

  2. #882
    Quote Originally Posted by Shalcker View Post
    "Internet as Utility" is fairly common modern line of thinking everywhere, including US.
    "Internet" =|= "Social Media"

  3. #883
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    "Internet" =|= "Social Media"
    Ironically, a lot of people are calling for the internet to be a utility like a road. And much like a road, businesses can setup shop and sell to whomever they want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belize View Post
    Oh come off it.

    Conservatives spend years screaming and hollering that businesses were allowed to deny services to customers based on their political/religious point of view (see, baker not baking a cake for gay couples).

    You're just mad that it's you who's being told to get the fuck off a platform. Had Twitter started banning liberals you'd be applauding them.
    This right here is it. Full stop. Conservatives have spent the last 4 years realizing that even being a giant bag of dicks to people isn’t an affirmation of cultural power.

    So, really, all they have left is institutional power. Even stacking the courts won’t buy you cultural power and enforcement of your cultural ideals. So, they’ll try to change the entire conversation by forcing the allowance of — and let’s be honest here — the sort of withering activities most people don’t find acceptable.

    The thing is it won’t work because being a dick cedes concepts like basic cultural competence and exhausts everyone. For example, I picked up Facebook again after the election, and all of the local news is full of half literate Boomers swarming anyone they deem liberal. I simply left those pages and groups. Not fun. Not worth my time, and I don’t particularly like watching adults behave like stupid children.

    I mean, there’s a reason alternatives to big social media don’t last. It’s because most people don’t want to deal with the sort of crazy found on the likes of Parler. FB and Twitter have every incentive to balance out the freak show with active engagement, and forcing them to cater to the freaks will depress engagement and, over time, hurt the platform.

  5. #885
    Quote Originally Posted by GreenGoldSharpie View Post

    I mean, there’s a reason alternatives to big social media don’t last. It’s because most people don’t want to deal with the sort of crazy found on the likes of Parler. FB and Twitter have every incentive to balance out the freak show with active engagement, and forcing them to cater to the freaks will depress engagement and, over time, hurt the platform.
    Its also that a gaggle of crazies do not have very much economic power. Just take a look at the majority of the people arrested so far.

    Even conservative folks on Parlor have admitted people on parlor do not click through or buy shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gondrin View Post
    Ironically, a lot of people are calling for the internet to be a utility like a road. And much like a road, businesses can setup shop and sell to whomever they want.
    No they are calling for internet access to be like a utility. Your ISP. Comcast for example, not Twitter.

    Not the actual internet.
    Buh Byeeeeeeeeeeee !!

  6. #886
    Quote Originally Posted by Zan15 View Post
    Its also that a gaggle of crazies do not have very much economic power. Just take a look at the majority of the people arrested so far.

    Even conservative folks on Parlor have admitted people on parlor do not click through or buy shit.
    Well, they spent all their money on Iodine and Bone Broth from Alex Jones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zan15 View Post
    Its also that a gaggle of crazies do not have very much economic power. Just take a look at the majority of the people arrested so far.

    Even conservative folks on Parlor have admitted people on parlor do not click through or buy shit.

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    No they are calling for internet access to be like a utility. Your ISP. Comcast for example, not Twitter.

    Not the actual internet.
    That was the point I was trying to make.

  7. #887
    Quote Originally Posted by Shalcker View Post
    "Internet as Utility" is fairly common modern line of thinking everywhere, including US.
    Again they are calling for INTERNET ACCESS......to be a utility, not the content on the internet.

    Sigh, come on you are smarter than this. Are you purposely twisting this stance?
    Buh Byeeeeeeeeeeee !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zan15 View Post
    Its also that a gaggle of crazies do not have very much economic power. Just take a look at the majority of the people arrested so far.

    Even conservative folks on Parlor have admitted people on parlor do not click through or buy shit.
    I really think the only thing political social media generates is donations and patreon bucks, honestly.

    I mean, yeah, when you can’t even sell your MAGA swag on your MAGA social media platform why would apple ever pay to advertise?

    Edit: I’ve gotten so far away from this shit my new phone doesn’t even recognize Patreon anymore. Good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PresidentElectMilchschake View Post
    HAs anyone really wondered why Trump is pushing the 230 repeal so hard? He's too dumb to understand what it does at all. He's too dumb to understand the fallout from the repeal.

    Who benefits from such a huge market disruption? Who would be ready to have alternative sites and infrastructure to fill the void?
    What he really wants is to be able to sue Twitter. That's it. That's how he fights all his battles.

  10. #890
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    "Internet" =|= "Social Media"
    It would cover Parler-Amazon case, but not necessarily Trump-Twitter case.

  11. #891
    Quote Originally Posted by Shalcker View Post
    It would cover Parler-Amazon case, but not necessarily Trump-Twitter case.
    Why would it cover Parler-Amazon?

  12. #892
    Quote Originally Posted by Zan15 View Post
    Again they are calling for INTERNET ACCESS......to be a utility, not the content on the internet.
    "Internet without content" is like "library without books".

  13. #893
    Quote Originally Posted by gondrin View Post
    Well, they spent all their money on Iodine and Bone Broth from Alex Jones.

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    BaBaBoooooieeeeeeee!!!!
    Buh Byeeeeeeeeeeee !!

  14. #894
    I guess that Republicans and Russian troll farms didn't know that it's very easy to start your own website.

  15. #895
    Quote Originally Posted by Shalcker View Post
    "Internet without content" is like "library without books".
    What content is being threatened here outside of hate-speech and violent direct threats that are not protected by the First Amendment, and that violate the terms of service for AWS?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shalcker View Post
    It would cover Parler-Amazon case, but not necessarily Trump-Twitter case.
    No it wouldn't. At all.

    The Internet as a utility would argue that the people who own Parler should have personal access to the Internet. To check e-mail, browse websites, etc.

    It would not argue that their service should be guaranteed hosting and services.


  17. #897
    Quote Originally Posted by Shalcker View Post
    "Internet without content" is like "library without books".
    and? What does this have to do with them calling for internet access/service to be a utility and NOT the actual content to be regulated like a utility?

    No one forces anyone to write books or forces the library to have every single book that has ever been published. Ever get any pornographic books at the library? Maybe those that can be deemed educational but straight up porn, nope.
    Buh Byeeeeeeeeeeee !!

  18. #898
    Quote Originally Posted by Shalcker View Post
    "Internet without content" is like "library without books".
    And much like a library, show me ones that have porn, books that show people how to kill others or anything else that is generally frowned on by society

  19. #899
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    If it hasn't already been discussed...

    https://www.vice.com/en/article/3an7...s-embarrassing



    Very delightful read of the founder of Pirate Bay dunking on Parler and the lot supporting it for being a bunch of dishonest, inept clowns.

    And he makes some good points. This isn't some "Free speech" nonsense. Parler is first and foremost a business. They care about money above all. Not "Freeze Peach".
    Well to be fair its a lot easier to keep the piratebay website up and running vs a full service social media platform. I mean piratebay is still basically just a website with links they don't have all that backend shit to worry about.
    Buh Byeeeeeeeeeeee !!

  20. #900
    Quote Originally Posted by Zan15 View Post
    Well to be fair its a lot easier to keep the piratebay website up and running vs a full service social media platform. I mean piratebay is still basically just a website with links they don't have all that backend shit to worry about.
    Yeah, nobody will argue they're the same in scope or scale.

    But the point remains that what was started by a bunch of kids has faced infinitely more pressure and threat from not just a few corporations, but multiple massive industries (movies, music etc.) and governments all desperately trying to take them down. And while it has gone down periodically, it comes back up.

    The point remains that he's a proof-case for how if you actually believe in the thing you say you do, you can find a way to make it work. And even beyond that, he pointed out how poor their security and systems were, which further highlights how this was nothing more than yet another right-wing grift claiming noble goals when their only real goal was to make money.

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