Deplatform Parler good or bad?

[Lenonis]

1. True

Great.

2. Wrong, it has proven to influence elections

Nice strawman. I didn't say it influenced elections. So do newspapers - should they be forced to run every story regardless of how truthful or verifiable? Does that limit free speech in your view?

3. Where did i state that? It is where you HOLD public speeches in an effort to reach millions.

No. You cannot hold a speech on twitter without it being hosted or broadcast elsewhere. Period. Sorry you don't understand how twitter works.

4. Nope, just doing it darnest to buy up possible competition, big companies do that quite often. Here is the list:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ons_by_Twitter

Still not a monopoly.

[Egomaniac]

Suppose there would be government-ran social network, fully bound by First Amendment.

What would be reasonable moderation policy there?

You've already defined it

"fully bound by First Amendment"

You know what isn't covered by the first amendment though? Threats of Violence. Incitement of Violence.

So, a fully government-ran Social Network would still be operating well within the constricts of the First Amendment by taking down those kinds of posts and even using those posts as evidence in criminal trials.

But Parler is not a Government-Ran Social Network and AWS is not a Government-ran hosting platform.

[Zan15]

You've already defined it

"fully bound by First Amendment"

You know what isn't covered by the first amendment though? Threats of Violence. Incitement of Violence.

So, a fully government-ran Social Network would still be operating well within the constricts of the First Amendment by taking down those kinds of posts and even using those posts as evidence in criminal trials.

But Parler is not a Government-Ran Social Network and AWS is not a Government-ran hosting platform.

Can you imagine a govt ran social network or AWS service?

No cursing before 10pm!!!
Can't say the word fuck....oh no 2 million dollar fine!!
sexual and excretory matters. NOPE
Nudity, HELL NO
Forced public content every Sunday.

Do we really want to go back to this history, where you needed to settle with the FCC or you were not allowed to buy other companies or even renew licenses. Where you are shaken down for "contributions"??

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federa...ard_Stern_Show

In one cited excerpt, Stern asked a caller if they ever had sex with an animal, and replied with "Well, don't knock it. I was sodomized by Lamb Chop, you know that puppet Shari Lewis holds?"

Recorded the "Christmas Party" broadcast on December 16 that featured a man playing the piano with his penis, a choir singing about gay sex to the tune of "White Christmas" -- references to sexual activities and organs that were made in a "pandering and titillating" fashion


But hey don't worry you could always just make a "voluntary payment" to the new govt run social media network to not be banned....
settlement was reached between Infinity and the FCC that dismissed all outstanding indecency cases on September 1, 1995.[24] Infinity agreed to make two payments totaling $1.715 million to the United States Treasury as a "voluntary contribution" while its five indecency NALs were cleared from the FCC's record

[Egomaniac]

So...Twitter temporarily suspends Marjorie Taylor Greene over 'multiple' policy violations

Dumbfucks need to find another hobby.

Which "dumbfucks" are you referring to?

Twitter or QAnon conspiracy spreaders?

[Rasulis]

You might be skeptical, but we're all secretly American Constitutional Scholars in this thread and we know that there's a secret line in the First Amendment that says people are also protected from consequences of their actions. The demonrats just put white out over it, and the RINO republicans are too weak to call them out on their actions. First they steal our bipartisan electoral process, then they steal our speech.



/s

Not a constitutional lawyer.

However, I have reviewed and signed plenty of agreements between my firms and various primes including government agencies. To me the case between Parler and AWS amount to nothing more than a standard breach of contract. Parler signed AWS contract and AWS expected Parler to live up to the terms of the agreement.

As for Trump and Twitter, again it appears to be a case of a breach of Twitter's Terms of Service. The same with posters on this board that got banned for violating the Terms of Service.

[Breccia]

Suppose there would be government-ran social network, fully bound by First Amendment.

What would be reasonable moderation policy there?

"Post as we tell you, or not even rotten turnips in mailbox, da?"

On topic: Parler's website is now hosted by Epik. Let's see if they can obey their terms of service, which I assume to be weaker.

[Egomaniac]

Can you imagine a govt ran social network or AWS service?

Yeah, I really wonder if such a thing is something these "Freeze Peach" advocates really want. All of your social media posts stored on Government Servers...

Also, be curious to learn how such a service would operate outside of the United States. Not just in regard to Foreigners access the service...but how Americans would access it when travelling abroad.

[Magical Mudcrab]

Not a constitutional lawyer.

However, I have reviewed and signed plenty of agreements between my firms and various primes including government agencies. To me the case between Parler and AWS amount to nothing more than a standard breach of contract. Parler signed AWS contract and AWS expected Parler to live up to the terms of the agreement.

As for Trump and Twitter, again it appears to be a case of a breach of Twitter's Terms of Service. The same with posters on this board that got banned for violating the Terms of Service.

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"Post as we tell you, or not even rotten turnips in mailbox, da?"

On topic: Parler's website is now hosted by Epik. Let's see if they can obey their terms of service, which I assume to be weaker.

Epik apparently has a track record for hosting fascist content.

[postman1782]

Deplatforming is a bad idea and against freedom of speech. The Trump supporters haven't stopping listening to Trump because a lot of them have money and will buy a platform to speak on. All you're doing is isolating them so their rhetoric has a greenhouse effect as it gets stronger without any discourse to give counter arguments. There's a reason why the confederate flag still waves down south when the confederacy has long been beaten almost 150 years ago. Stop trying to isolate people and thinking that will stop their movement, because it has never worked historically and it'll make things worse. Open discourse is the solution, not trying to silence them.

You don't get freedom of speech on someone else's property. Open discourse doesn't do anything when these morons don't listen to facts, no matter how much fucking evidence there is on how they are racist.

[Vash The Stampede]

Compare the state of things before Trump and the likes of Gab/Parler, and after.

Things got way worse, very quickly. Because these kinds of echo chambers create a feedback loop of radicalization for their members. This is literally observable.

Right now a lot of Trump supporters are being quiet because they now realize they could be arrested for some very serious charges. But they haven't stopped believing in what they believe and deplatforming them is just reinforcing their beliefs. They choose to isolate themselves anyway from media that isn't Fox news. They may use Twitter but they follow who they want to follow. It's not like they're going to listen to people like Bernie Sanders just because Trump isn't on Twitter. Gab, Parler, or whatever is something they will use to continue to breath their own farts and enjoy it. Then when it comes to election time in 4 years we'll be asking ourselves where did these racist Republicans come from and why are there so many voting for this other guy who's also racist. This is pretty much what happened in 2016 when Hillary lost and what almost happened in 2020. A lot of people came out and voted for Trump, and we lefts weren't aware of how many of these people existed. Who thought that Trump didn't have a chance in 2016, because that's what I thought.

[Shadowferal]

Which "dumbfucks" are you referring to?
Twitter or QAnon conspiracy spreaders?

There's a difference?

[Egomaniac]

There's a difference?

There's an infinite amount of possibilities for dumbfuckery in this world.

[Zan15]

You don't get freedom of speech on someone else's property. Open discourse doesn't do anything when these morons don't listen to facts, no matter how much fucking evidence there is on how they are racist.

Do you think we will hit 12,000 post before they finally get the thing said in the last 11,999 post before that??

[postman1782]

Right now a lot of Trump supporters are being quiet because they now realize they could be arrested for some very serious charges. But they haven't stopped believing in what they believe and deplatforming them is just reinforcing their beliefs. They choose to isolate themselves anyway from media that isn't Fox news. They may use Twitter but they follow who they want to follow. It's not like they're going to listen to people like Bernie Sanders just because Trump isn't on Twitter. Gab, Parler, or whatever is something they will use to continue to breath their own farts and enjoy it. Then when it comes to election time in 4 years we'll be asking ourselves where did these racist Republicans come from and why are there so many voting for this other guy who's also racist. This is pretty much what happened in 2016 when Hillary lost and what almost happened in 2020. A lot of people came out and voted for Trump, and we lefts weren't aware of how many of these people existed. Who thought that Trump didn't have a chance in 2016, because that's what I thought.

They are being arrested for breaking the fucking law, not for simply posting on Parler, Gab or Twitter. If they are threatening to kill someone, that is not protected speech and anyone will go to jail. Deplatforming them reduces the spread on their stupidity, and it should rightfully happen. Telling them they are wrong, does literally fucking nothing when they have a negative fucking IQ and listen to shitstains like Alex Jones, Hannity, Limbaugh, and Qtard levels of ignorance.

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Do you think we will hit 12,000 post before they finally get the thing said in the last 11,999 post before that??

It will probably be 200 more years before some right winger finally gets it, that is if the world isn't destroyed because the next guy that these morons vote for that is worse than Trump doesn't just launch nukes and destroys the world over while he hides in a doomsday bunker.

[Vash The Stampede]

Nah there literally nowhere a conversation needs to be had about should men be allowed to beat their wives, or are black people inferior or are jews really evil. None of that shit is free speech it's hate speech.

Just like any suggestion that white some how need their own ethnostate because again Jews. No these are rational or logical conversations, like did the Holocaust really happen.


No, these people need a fucking mental health evaluation, and any platform not tolerant of that isn't a echo chamber it's simply fucking sane.

What you don't get is that these people don't need Twitter or Facebook to spread their vomit to those who agree with them. They will go to great lengths to communicate and we won't be able to find them so easily. We won't be able to talk to them and make them realize how wrong they are, which is something you really want to do. They will get their echo chamber, with or without a platform.

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Suppose there would be government-ran social network, fully bound by First Amendment.

What would be reasonable moderation policy there?

Be excellent to each other? Just don't say any bad language and you should be fine.

[Santti]

What you don't get is that these people don't need Twitter or Facebook to spread their vomit to those who agree with them. They will go to great lengths to communicate and we won't be able to find them so easily. We won't be able to talk to them and make them realize how wrong they are, which is something you really want to do. They will get their echo chamber, with or without a platform.

You can't fight this kind of irrationality with rational arguments. It doesn't work.

And of course they will find a new place for themselves. That goes without saying.

[Egomaniac]

We won't be able to talk to them and make them realize how wrong they are, which is something you really want to do.

No it isn't.

[Kathranis]

Think this warrants reposting in this thread:

https://projects.propublica.org/parler-capitol-videos/

Over 500 videos of the protest and insurrection, scraped from Parler before the AWS shutdown, compiled in chronological order and categorized by proximity to the Capitol.

[Shadowferal]

There's an infinite amount of possibilities for dumbfuckery in this world.

Can't argue with that.
Every time I think things can't go any lower some...dumbass like Giuliani, brings a shovel.

[Felya]

What you don't get is that these people don't need Twitter or Facebook to spread their vomit to those who agree with them. They will go to great lengths to communicate and we won't be able to find them so easily. We won't be able to talk to them and make them realize how wrong they are, which is something you really want to do. They will get their echo chamber, with or without a platform.

This is an argument used by NAMBLA...