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  1. #221
    Why anyone will save for the portal to Oribus in Tier3 of Transportation Network? just get at least 1 of the 3 guild cloak that have the on use Teleport to Oggri (horde) and be next to the portal to Oribus

    if i eventually play the game (will let sub run out and be back 2 or 3 months later) i will not farm or spend the anima on that, better use on spend it on the cosmetics

    if you dont know about the cloaks, here (horde version)

    https://www.wowhead.com/item=65274/c...f-coordination
    https://www.wowhead.com/item=63207/wrap-of-unity
    https://www.wowhead.com/item=63353/s...of-cooperation

    That Tier3 transportation Network only be worth it if the portal were 2 ways but its not, its only 1 way

  2. #222
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    Quote Originally Posted by Asrialol View Post
    If you play Horde on EU feel free to PM me your battletag and we can find you some keys at the level you feel is appropriate. I don't play much lately since I don't have much to do in game so I'd welcome it!

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    PvP? Can't be 220 by having full m+ gear and vault upgrades yet, can you?
    Correct. I PvP casually to fill in lower slots.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guilford View Post
    Correct. I PvP casually to fill in lower slots.
    Haven't really looked into pvp gearing. What rating would I need to get above 220 items? Was roughly 2200 in 2s in BFA. Don't care much for pvp though, I get so salty :<
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  4. #224
    Quote Originally Posted by Schizoide View Post
    The "only cosmetics really matter" view is pretty common with more casual players. If you aren't doing progression, does gear really matter? Nah. It'll get replaced soon enough, why put in the effort? And that's a totally valid point of view too.
    The way this expansion is looking so far and given how some people speculate how 9.1 will come late, I wouldn't say this.
    Not to mention how gear and ilevel scales and if you're someone who is after cosmetics ins shadowlands where we have 4 covenants with unique features and collectibles, this becomes even less true. And then we stil don't know what is coming in regards of gear and catchup.
    There are a couple of rares that drop cosmetic items that are not the best solo experience with low ilevel. And then even as a casual cosmetic collector you need to be in the loop. By the time 9.1 comes and you still need the mount off of Famu or Violet mistake, stuff from bubbleblood, or the best example: warlord whatshisface? Necromantic anomaly in shit gear? Good luck with that.
    And then the world also scales, so you are in a softcap-race from the get go, altough when I started to kill the same things on 4 diffferently geared alts, I noticed that some mobs have the exact same hp on all of them so I'm not sure what's exactly happening. Will check out on my baby kyrian again when she dings.

  5. #225
    Quote Originally Posted by schwank05 View Post
    This about sums me up, As I don't care much about cosmetics and if It does not make things faster or more efficient I dont care much. But I love the Armor for alts its useless on my main as he already out gears it. The mission table I use for Soul Ash only which I have no reason to farm on my Main at this point as I have the best Legendary at highest point right now so that is sort of pointless as well. I despise WQ's and don't want to waste what little time I have to play on them I love Arenas currently and PVP in general as raiding feels like too much effort for too little of a reward, when I can get guaranteed Loot from PVP.
    I really have only one thing to say. Keep doing the ash missions. There's no cap on the currency and if a rank 4 costs 5,150 ash then who knows what rank 5 will cost when the next tier comes out.
    The most difficult thing for people to do is objectively look at something they don't like and be able to accept that it is not bad, that other people like it, and if it was changed to the way they'd like it that other people would not like it and want it changed back. The second most is to receive something they didn't want or ask for and be grateful for it, not immediately demand what they wanted instead.

  6. #226
    Quote Originally Posted by Alithia View Post
    I level an alt with Threads + PvP, do the campaign, so let's say it will take me two days: I get the Covenant gear, weapon, and fill in rings, trinkets, and neck with PvP gear.
    The set is indeed great for alts. My DK dinged and within two days of casual play he's 179 and I have a shitty neck and ring still with a few unupgraded pieces. But it lets you skip the initial normal/heroic dungeon slog entirely and get straight to PvP, M0 and Normal raids with a bit more effort.

    It's also good for laid-back players of which there are a ton. 3 people at my workplace won't raid to save their life and their endgame is basically Heroic dungeons, WQs,professions and old raids/mogging; the set is tailor made for them, and trust me, there's a lot more of these players that people on these here forums realize.
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  7. #227
    Quote Originally Posted by Azerate View Post
    I read this somewhere as a comment on real life, and I feel it applies here as well:

    There are two kinds of people:
    1. "It was hard for me, so I want it to be as hard for everyone else"
    1. "It was hard for me, so I want to ensure everyone else has an easier time".

    If you're the first type, then you are the problem, not the system.

    On another note, ilvls in SL are much more meaningful, so the player power of a a casual player who only does world content and gears through the campaign and wqs is gonna be significantly weaker than one that does even a normal raid, despite 5 ilvls of overall difference
    probably one of the worst things i have ever read. having it easier than the guy before you is why people aren't challenged anymore. no reason to improve, just wait for the nerf!

  8. #228
    Quote Originally Posted by Spike` View Post
    Why anyone will save for the portal to Oribus in Tier3 of Transportation Network? just get at least 1 of the 3 guild cloak that have the on use Teleport to Oggri (horde) and be next to the portal to Oribus
    You should actually get all 3 of them-- they are separate cooldowns. All my characters have them, extremely useful.

    This isn't about making other players go through the same hardships we did to gear up. It's about obsoleting huge swathes of group and raid content. That is a problem.

  9. #229
    Quote Originally Posted by Lucifer Morningstar View Post
    The average curve players have been doing normal raids, some heroic bosses, and m10-13.
    That's what will give you 200-213 ilvl gear and that's where the "average" players are at the moment.
    Grossly Incorrect - Most WOW players do not raid at all above LFR, if even that, so the average player is nowhere near those gear levels.
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  10. #230
    Correct, I'd bet the average L60 player isn't even itemlvl 185 on their main. They don't have the covenant items upgraded because they don't read WoW websites and realize that's even possible. They don't do normal raids or mythic+ or competitive PvP. They maybe do heroic dungeons and LFR.

    Very important to differentiate between the average posters on a WoW forum like this one and the average player. Huge chasm is open between those groups.

  11. #231
    Quote Originally Posted by Schizoide View Post
    It's pretty bad, because it renders obsolete a ton of group content, including normal raiding, all from something you can get solo grinding anima.
    The covenant set also doesn’t include:

    Neck
    2 rings
    2 trinkets
    Weapons

    That’s 6 out of 15 slots if you use a 2h wep that you’re missing. And considered weps and trinkets typically hold a lot of power, that is quite a bit.

  12. #232
    Quote Originally Posted by Schizoide View Post
    You should actually get all 3 of them-- they are separate cooldowns. All my characters have them, extremely useful.

    This isn't about making other players go through the same hardships we did to gear up. It's about obsoleting huge swathes of group and raid content. That is a problem.
    i know, i have all 3. Was mention to other players to at least have 1 and have the Inn in your Covenant and no need for tier 3

    spend the anima on other stuff in your Covenant that feel is more important (gear or other upgrades)

    even Dalaran heartstone works and super fast to be in your capital city to Oribos

  13. #233
    Quote Originally Posted by rrayy View Post
    YOu missed my point entirely. ONe, I never said of that, so stop putting words in my mouth. Two, all I am saying is that it would be better to spend your time/energy/anima on things that you still will be able to use after we leave this expansion. You still have a whole 1.5 years before the next one hits, so you have plenty of time to get all those cosmetics without touching any of the covenant upgrades. I would rather focus on the cosmetics than wasting all the anima for covenant upgrades that will be completely meaningless after the expansion and already don't mean much at all.
    The exact opposite idea is equally valid. The gear upgrades are meaningful NOW while, as you said, you have all year to get the cosmetics.
    The most difficult thing for people to do is objectively look at something they don't like and be able to accept that it is not bad, that other people like it, and if it was changed to the way they'd like it that other people would not like it and want it changed back. The second most is to receive something they didn't want or ask for and be grateful for it, not immediately demand what they wanted instead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Argorwal View Post
    The covenant set also doesn’t include:

    Neck
    2 rings
    2 trinkets
    Weapons

    That’s 6 out of 15 slots if you use a 2h wep that you’re missing. And considered weps and trinkets typically hold a lot of power, that is quite a bit.
    You get a 194 weapon for completing the campaign IIRC.

  15. #235
    Quote Originally Posted by TyloBedo View Post
    You get a 194 weapon for completing the campaign IIRC.
    The campaigns give you a LFR token which is 187.
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  16. #236
    Quote Originally Posted by keldarepewpew View Post
    EUhm the covenant campaign items go to 197 max itemlevel. Litteraly dog shit low items what are you complaining about exactly ?
    I don't know man, I am a mythic raider and I ran around 50 m+ since launch (I know, not that much) AND play ranked PVP (not good tho), and for those were actually at least small upgrades in some slots.
    Gear is rare if you are unlucky.

  17. #237
    Quote Originally Posted by rhorle View Post
    We do though because the gear is meaningless. There isn't WotLK where you could clear a raid in Sunwell gear. You can get all the gear you need for an easier time to level by just playing a week or two prior to launch.
    The gear isn't meaningless. By getting it at the beginning and as you go in teh expansion, you do not have to race the last 2 weeks to catch up. That means you don't feel forced to do that catch up content. The Pre-Shadowlands content I didn't care for. Thanks to having already gotten a good gear level during the expansion, I could ignore that content completely. Heck, I already had the mount since I got it from Utgarde Pinnacle years ago.

    Right. Grateful offerings you can get at a trickle by buying one upgrade in the conductor. You just got down saying that gear has value in a new expansion because it makes leveling easier. Doesn't that mean that the Conductor upgrades have value because they make buying those cosmetics easier? Offerings have a limited supply when compared with anima. You can easily get 10k+ in anima a week right now.
    No, because you can still get the cosmetics without it. IF you couldn't get the cosmetics without them, then they have high value. The fact that you don't need them to get the cosmetics and you don't need the cosmetics right away make it very low value.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cparle87 View Post
    The exact opposite idea is equally valid. The gear upgrades are meaningful NOW while, as you said, you have all year to get the cosmetics.
    Good thing I can work for both the gear and cosmetics at the same time. You aren't required to do one before the other. So, I will have both by the end of the expansion instead of being lesser geared and less cosmetics because I wasted time grinding Anima to max out optional covenant upgrades.

  18. #238
    Quote Originally Posted by otaXephon View Post
    First time, eh?

    These kind of short-term loot catch-up mechanisms have been in the game the last three expansions. If anything, you should be excited that more people will have higher item levels now as it means there will be more qualified players applying to the groups you're looking to push. But hey, you're free to have a cynical "dey tooked my loot" outlook too.
    lol, not 2 weeks into the expac. entitled casual shitters undeservingly being given a leg up to gear that other people worked hard to earn, course they gonna be pissed they could of just slow mammoth walked round dala for 2 weeks and have the same gear as these crappers.

  19. #239
    Quote Originally Posted by Guilford View Post
    Alternatively you do dungeons with friends because you enjoy playing a video game with them. Unless you have no friends in which case....





    L O L
    My friends prefer to socialise in person. I been playing games for 33 years, it's a solo enjoyment thing for me for most of that... Besides the idea of doing the same dungeon over and over is not fun for me, I like a bit is variety in my life. Glad you are insecure enough in your own choices to feel the need to belittle people who you don't even know, it shows great strength of character

  20. #240
    Quote Originally Posted by frenzy16 View Post
    It's crazy to me how this week's covenant campaign upgrades are ilvl 197. I've been playing every day for the last month gearing up from campaign->normal->heroic->mythic->m+ and this week's covenant/PvP gear basically replaced everything except for a few pieces and now everyone is running around with the same gear and ilvl.

    I used to start the week by running some low-mid mythic+ to raise my ilvl so I would have an easier time getting invited to higher m+ but this gear has put everyone on even footing and completely killed my motivation to do any m+. I feel like gearing up was a complete waste of time and I could have just bought the game a month later and been in the exact same spot I am now.

    I signed up for an LFR today and was thinking what is the point of even doing this now? Why are the last 2 wings still time gated when the gear is completely worthless and replaced by doing a quest? There's also no point running mythics, low-mid mythic+, LFR, PvP for PvE, or World Quests for gear anymore.

    Super disappointed.
    Am I understanding you correctly if I say you're disappointed by the fact that others have an equally high ilvl as you?

    If so, wow... Why would you even care?
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