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  1. #141
    I just can't believe that half the layers are completely without reward.

    That's some really bizarre design, IMO.

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    Normal should be reduced in difficulty. Heroic should be reduced in difficulty.
    And the tiny fraction for whom heroic raids are currently well tuned? Too bad,so sad! With the arterial bleed of subs the fastest it's ever been, the vanity development that gives you guys your own content is no longer supportable.

  3. #143
    Quote Originally Posted by Bloodyleech View Post
    #1 Why do you need to upgrade your legendary? If you'd need a higher ilvl legendary, you'd already have it.
    #2 Healers are quite strong in Torghast. MW and Disc completely destroy it. Restodrood/shamy/paladin are (very) good. Can't say anything about Holypriest, but they should not be way worse than Disc, as they get the very same powers.
    Thing is (resto shaman here) that dpsing with a healer spec feels horrible (at least for my class). It’s not that it’s difficult, it’s simply ZERO fun.

    You basically stand still and press a sequence of 4-5 buttons for 1 hour, healing yourself from time to time. It’s ok when you do a quick WQ, less ok when you have to bear it for 1 hour or more.

    It would have been FAR more interesting if as a healer you should have to keep an NPC that tanks for you alive, for example.

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    are there any stop points in Twisting Corridors? Not sure I'll be able to find enough time in one play window to get from start to finish. 2 hours max is my window, and that's if I can get up at 4:00 am instead of 4:30 for my pre-work playing.
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  5. #145
    The start of each level is a safe area, but no real stopping points where you can come back the next day.

    You should be done with a layer of TC in under 2 hours unless you're basically unable to complete it due to gear or bad anima RNG.

  6. #146
    Quote Originally Posted by GreenJesus View Post
    What do you mean? %damage buffs or % str buffs or %HP buffs scale off your gear. If you have 1000 strength now but 2000 strength later. If you get 20% strength buff, that is a huge difference.
    Those aren't the buffs carrying people through and there aren't many flat percent buffs. The souls are the primary source of those kind of buffs and aren't really THAT much of a consideration in clearing. I'm also pretty sure you probably will at most double it which that 20% still only is an extra 200 str which in the long run isn't much when you're talking floor 15-17 on layer 8.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schizoide View Post
    The start of each level is a safe area, but no real stopping points where you can come back the next day.

    You should be done with a layer of TC in under 2 hours unless you're basically unable to complete it due to gear or bad anima RNG.
    If you're doing solo you can also try rerolling the first one by exiting until you get a good one.

  7. #147
    Quote Originally Posted by GreenJesus View Post
    What do you mean? %damage buffs or % str buffs or %HP buffs scale off your gear. If you have 1000 strength now but 2000 strength later. If you get 20% strength buff, that is a huge difference.
    The %mainstat traits aren't the ones that make you strong. 15 ilvl increase do not make up for a +50% flat dmg increase trait.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chiddie View Post
    Thing is (resto shaman here) that dpsing with a healer spec feels horrible (at least for my class). It’s not that it’s difficult, it’s simply ZERO fun.

    You basically stand still and press a sequence of 4-5 buttons for 1 hour, healing yourself from time to time. It’s ok when you do a quick WQ, less ok when you have to bear it for 1 hour or more.

    It would have been FAR more interesting if as a healer you should have to keep an NPC that tanks for you alive, for example.
    This is exactly what you do as DPS, tho - only that you can heal you better, for lower dmgoutput.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bloodyleech View Post
    The %mainstat traits aren't the ones that make you strong. 15 ilvl increase do not make up for a +50% flat dmg increase trait.
    If you do 3k dps at 200, but 5k dps at 215, then a 50% damage increase will be bigger with more item levels right?

    3,000 * 1.5 = 4500

    = Gain of 1500

    5,000 * 1.5 = 7500

    = Gain of 2500

  9. #149
    Quote Originally Posted by jazen View Post
    are there any stop points in Twisting Corridors? Not sure I'll be able to find enough time in one play window to get from start to finish. 2 hours max is my window, and that's if I can get up at 4:00 am instead of 4:30 for my pre-work playing.
    You should need no longer than 1h30m for a TC layer if you clear everything and somehow know what you do. People will come and tell you that one single TC layer will take 3h, but that's just because they do not know what to do in there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenJesus View Post
    If you do 3k dps at 200, but 5k dps at 215, then a 50% damage increase will be bigger with more item levels right?

    3,000 * 1.5 = 4500

    = Gain of 1500

    5,000 * 1.5 = 7500

    = Gain of 2500
    That's pretty obvious, but those %statincreases are not the stuff that carries a player in TC.
    If I have to decide between the +40% mainstat (and no jumping) trait or a +50% dmg (with whatever negative effect), I'll always take the +50%, except(!!!) I have an absurd amount of mainstat, that is simply not reachable in almost all cases, even if you get very lucky and get maaany souls. Those runs CAN happen, but it's way to rare.
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  10. #150
    Quote Originally Posted by Stormwolf64 View Post
    There is nothing fun about thorgast you idiot. Instead of designing this absolute travesty, they could have spent time imagining and designing something that is actually fun.
    "idiot"... says the guy that is too stupid to understand that your feelings != facts and your opinion != not everyone else's opinion.

    Also yeah, got it in my first post already: You're a snowflake that wants Blizz to remove content you're too bad at (as you're unable to even get close to getting the maw mount) and everyone should suffer for it.

    btw. Torghast will stay relevant for the entire expansion, so might as well quit the game if I was you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jazen View Post
    are there any stop points in Twisting Corridors? Not sure I'll be able to find enough time in one play window to get from start to finish. 2 hours max is my window, and that's if I can get up at 4:00 am instead of 4:30 for my pre-work playing.
    You can stop every 3 floors at the vendor guy. But 2 hours is more than enough time to get one layer done. All layers will about equally take 1:30hr to get done and you can't really go much slow either as you will just die.

  11. #151
    You can definitely go slower, wait for your cooldowns to refresh for every pull, and so on. Many of the torghast leveltypes have annoying stuff if you do that though, spawning mobs to attack you every so often or ramping fire damage every 5 seconds. This is why the only real blocking points are the bosses because you can't really whittle them down (barring tricks running back to the start, and yes those do work on many bosses) and will have your cooldowns every time anyway.

  12. #152
    Quote Originally Posted by Schizoide View Post
    Did you enjoy those 15 hours, though? It's fine if you did, diff'rent strokes. I know I didn't, and from what I've seen and heard most people didn't.
    No, for the sake of argument "everyone" enjoyed it

  13. #153
    Quote Originally Posted by Stormwolf64 View Post
    There is nothing fun about thorgast you idiot. Instead of designing this absolute travesty, they could have spent time imagining and designing something that is actually fun.
    You do realize "fun" is entirely subjective right? Torghast has been some of the most fun I've had in WoW in awhile.
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  14. #154
    Quote Originally Posted by Pebrocks The Warlock View Post
    You do realize "fun" is entirely subjective right? Torghast has been some of the most fun I've had in WoW in awhile.
    in this case its objective

  15. #155
    Quote Originally Posted by Stormwolf64 View Post
    in this case its objective
    So you're saying the fun I'm having in Torghast isn't real? Come on now.
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  16. #156
    Quote Originally Posted by Stormwolf64 View Post
    in this case its objective
    Just admit that you are whining, because you suck at Torghast, but want the rewards handed over to you. You've so far provided 0 arguments besides saying lame and childish names and everyone who disagrees is dumb.

    Nothing more has to be added to this thread honestly... it is low effort trolling at best. git gud

  17. #157
    Quote Originally Posted by RobertMugabe View Post
    Just admit that you are whining, because you suck at Torghast, but want the rewards handed over to you. You've so far provided 0 arguments besides saying lame and childish names and everyone who disagrees is dumb.

    Nothing more has to be added to this thread honestly... it is low effort trolling at best. git gud
    I can admit that you're mad

  18. #158
    Quote Originally Posted by Stormwolf64 View Post
    I can admit that you're mad
    Unlike you, I have no reason to be mad, I love Torghast... and especially since I know it is here to stay for the rest of SL.

    I guess there is nothing else that needs to be said in this thread. Again, all you do is call others here stupid and mad, even though it's you who was that butthurt to make a thread and even admit for being bad right in the OP.

    git gud

    /thread

  19. #159
    Quote Originally Posted by RobertMugabe View Post
    Unlike you, I have no reason to be mad, I love Torghast... and especially since I know it is here to stay for the rest of SL.

    I guess there is nothing else that needs to be said in this thread. Again, all you do is call others here stupid and mad, even though it's you who was that butthurt to make a thread and even admit for being bad right in the OP.

    git gud

    /thread
    Yet, you seem quite mad

  20. #160
    cannot wait to do another weekly torgast run after a reset!!! ...said nobody ever. fuck this shit.

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