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  1. #961
    Quote Originally Posted by Nobody Worth Knowing View Post
    Yet it was still alive, and she killed it. (She gave no indication that she could create life; that was why she's so interested in Wanda's chaos magic, because it can.)
    I’m not saying she created life. I think she just transformed an insect into a dog, like how we saw her turn it into a bird. It’s an illusion, so she’d really be killing a bug... and would that actually be evil?

    No.
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  2. #962
    Quote Originally Posted by Nobody Worth Knowing View Post
    Agatha only said she possessed him (and it's "faux," by the way, not "fox"). I doubt she has the power to give someone a superpower, let alone superspeed, so it very well could be the X-Men Quicksilver still; she just twisted his mind in her favor and/or implanted false memory of that world's Piotr. Do note that faux can also mean "not genuine" not simply "fake," which fits here; he isn't the genuine Piotr Wanda knew, but that doesn't mean he's not a Piotr/Peter.
    Sure she can, it's super speed. With her magic it wouldn't be hard to fake especially if it was just for the sake of keeping up appearances. Besides magically manipulating a doll seems like it'd be easier than summoning someone from another universe and controlling him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nobody Worth Knowing View Post
    Agatha only said she possessed him (and it's "faux," by the way, not "fox"). I doubt she has the power to give someone a superpower, let alone superspeed, so it very well could be the X-Men Quicksilver still; she just twisted his mind in her favor and/or implanted false memory of that world's Piotr. Do note that faux can also mean "not genuine" not simply "fake," which fits here; he isn't the genuine Piotr Wanda knew, but that doesn't mean he's not a Piotr/Peter.
    Was this a joke?
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  4. #964
    Quote Originally Posted by PACOX View Post
    All this talk about Agnes and I think only one person spoke what Scarlet Witch means and perhaps why Agnes would have a reaction when she concludes Wanda is her.

    Correct me if I am wrong, Wanda hasn't been Scarlet Witch up until now.
    Well, her character has always been branded as the Scarlet Witch in marketing but they're using a loophole that she's never actually been called it onscreen to retcon it.

  5. #965
    Why do y'all give a shit about semantics so much? Knock that shit off. It's boring as hell. Narratively, it doesn't matter if Vision is falling apart or being ripped apart.

    The narrative focus is that he can't survive leaving the Hex, Wanda knows that because she created him, and she expands the Hex greatly to ensure he's safe.

    Y'all arguing about definitions is like missing the forest for the trees. It's like y'all don't understand storytelling at all.

  6. #966
    Quote Originally Posted by eschatological View Post
    The narrative focus is that he can't survive leaving the Hex, Wanda knows that because she created him, and she expands the Hex greatly to ensure he's safe.
    But the narrative doesn't indicate if she knows the reason why he can't. She didn't how/why she created him until this last episode and for all we know Agatha could have had a hand in stopping Vision because she still need to get the information from Wanda.
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  7. #967
    Three undeniable reasons why Agnes is a villain:

    1. She has a small white pet that she gently strokes while monologuing.
    2. She killed a puppy
    3. Disney gave her the best song

  8. #968
    Quote Originally Posted by Nastard View Post
    Three undeniable reasons why Agnes is a villain:

    1. She has a small white pet that she gently strokes while monologuing.
    2. She killed a puppy
    3. Disney gave her the best song
    And BINGO was his name-o! Lol.
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  9. #969
    Quote Originally Posted by Evil Midnight Bomber View Post
    What Authority would they have to stop a government organization following it's charter?
    Tony and Captain America had no problem defying the government when they felt the government was not doing the right thing. Especially Captain America who had a built mistrust of the government and was a fugitive.

    Let’s say Tony fell into a depression or isolation and that’s why he didn’t stop Heyward, Captain America however would never just leave Visions body. Captain America had no problem openly defying the government to rescue the Avengers from the government.

    Anyways a majority of the Avengers did not care to oppose the government.

  10. #970
    Quote Originally Posted by formerShandalay View Post
    So as for Pietro, I still think he was someone sent by the TVA, maybe to ask exactly the questions Agatha wanted an answer to too and she latched onto him to listen and see. She only refers to him as her 'eyes and ears' and we still have the fact that the breach alarm went off when Peter appeared. He came from outside.
    Or he came from Agatha's basement, as the Runes prevent the Hex to expand until there. So maybe anything that comes through generates the breach alarm.

    Quote Originally Posted by Winter Blossom View Post
    So Wanda actually brought Vision back to life because she absorbed the same stone he was using back in that lab when she was younger? That’s what allowed her to do it?
    Could very well be that when Wanda was trying to destroy the stone during IW, that established a connection between those two that allowed her to "store" part of Vision's consciousness inside her.

    ---

    Something that I am struggling with a bit... Did Wanda have any power before Hydra's experiences ? The scene where she "was going to use her powers" in Sokovia sounded like what Agatha thought happened, which was dismissed by Wanda who said "no need, the missile malfunctioned".

    I'm extremely confused about Pietro too. I didn't really understand Agatha's explanation, it sounded like a complete creation out of nowhere, so the casting was like... just to confuse us, and that's disappointing.

    I don't know what to expect for last episode though.
    We have :
    - Agatha who is trying to provoke another burst of power in Wanda to absorb it, probably. Kids will die ? No idea, probably not on Disney+ though.
    - SWORD's Vision who will do what exactly ? Hayward has what he needs, will he risk sending Vision inside the Hex for.. what purpose exactly, except risking to lose him ?
    - Wanda's Vision who is MIA since Episode 07 when he flew away through the roof of the van
    - Monica who is completely MIA.
    - Darcy who is MIA, is she still stuck on the road or what ?

    That's a lot of stuff to wrap in 30 minutes. Even an hour sounds short.
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  11. #971
    Quote Originally Posted by Winter Blossom View Post
    I’m not saying she created life. I think she just transformed an insect into a dog, like how we saw her turn it into a bird. It’s an illusion, so she’d really be killing a bug... and would that actually be evil?

    No.
    1.) Why is killing something evil but killing something isn't evil?
    2.) That must have been one hell of an intelligent and clever insect, giving Sparky acted just like a dog. The only times it appears to have been manipulated is when it earned its name and when it ran away. Otherwise it acted just like a normal dog.
    3.) You're assuming every aspect of this. Even during the Agatha All Along montage there was no indication that Agatha did this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ProphetFlume View Post
    Was this a joke?
    No. But I'm guessing you're another Endus. Feel free to go back over her discussing the subject. She never said she created Piotr, only possessed him. She also made mention of being able to implant thoughts and personalities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eschatological View Post
    Why do y'all give a shit about semantics so much? Knock that shit off. It's boring as hell. Narratively, it doesn't matter if Vision is falling apart or being ripped apart.
    Yes it does. It's a huge difference. He didn't die when he left the Hex. The Hex was killing him by dragging him back against his will, rather than him poofing into dust or dropping the second he left and reverting to the illusory Dead Vision that Agatha created to spook Wanda. Him surviving even a nanosecond outside of the Hex proves that he was fully re-created by Wanda, and not just an illusion she created as a figment of her imagination.

    Also there's no indication that anything she's done so far is a mere illusion except changing her own appearance (which did disappear the second she left the Hex), but rather transformation/creation. Hence why everything remains in the new form when it leaves the Hex, rather than poofing back to normal when it leaves. Even for an instance or by so much as a Planck's length, you'll note.

    Y'all arguing about definitions is like missing the forest for the trees. It's like y'all don't understand storytelling at all.
    Only if you don't know what the forest even is in the first place, oh great and powerful intellect who doesn't even know what he's complaining about.
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  12. #972
    Quote Originally Posted by Gasparde View Post
    And then there's Larson. Like, maybe it's just me, but while I've heard her name before once or twice... I'm not sure she's been considered as a household name before
    just becuase u dont like her doesnt mean she wasnt a big before marvel because sehe was:
    Larson has received an Academy Award, a Golden Globe Award, a Screen Actors Guild Award, and a British Academy Film Award, among other accolades, for her performance in Room.

  13. #973
    Quote Originally Posted by Frozenbeef View Post
    I'm curious if Wanda actually recreated the infinity stone or if it's just a fake.
    When she was recreating him, you could see some of the energy turn yellow (same as the infinity stone) during the process. I assume she absorbed some of the stone's energy when she was originally exposed to it (thus letting her be the Scarlet Witch?), so I assume there is at least some power there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eschatological View Post
    Why do y'all give a shit about semantics so much? Knock that shit off. It's boring as hell. Narratively, it doesn't matter if Vision is falling apart or being ripped apart.

    The narrative focus is that he can't survive leaving the Hex, Wanda knows that because she created him, and she expands the Hex greatly to ensure he's safe.

    Y'all arguing about definitions is like missing the forest for the trees. It's like y'all don't understand storytelling at all.
    Taking down Endus from his high-shitting (sic) throne, when he plays "know-it-all" is never boring.

    Endus is best when sharing his insight or ideas about narratives or stories or plots.

    But he's absolutely despicable to me (and, i assume, to many more) when he thinks he can use sophism when arguing (in the sense of discussion, not quarrel) about something. Some people can see through that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nastard View Post
    Three undeniable reasons why Agnes is a villain:

    1. She has a small white pet that she gently strokes while monologuing.
    2. She killed a puppy
    3. Disney gave her the best song
    Man, you got it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nobody Worth Knowing View Post
    Agatha only said she possessed him (and it's "faux," by the way, not "fox").
    You're missing the point. He is the FOX X-Men Universe version of Quicksilver.

    Fox refers to the movie studios that cast him, doesn't mean someone misspelled "faux"=fake Pietro

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    Quote Originally Posted by tmamass View Post
    just becuase u dont like her doesnt mean she wasnt a big before marvel because sehe was:
    Larson has received an Academy Award, a Golden Globe Award, a Screen Actors Guild Award, and a British Academy Film Award, among other accolades, for her performance in Room.
    Sure, but she wasn't really popular or famous even after those.

    RDJ has had a career reboot and he was really really successful and popular in both careers
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  15. #975
    Quote Originally Posted by eschatological View Post
    Why do y'all give a shit about semantics so much? Knock that shit off. It's boring as hell. Narratively, it doesn't matter if Vision is falling apart or being ripped apart.

    The narrative focus is that he can't survive leaving the Hex, Wanda knows that because she created him, and she expands the Hex greatly to ensure he's safe.

    Y'all arguing about definitions is like missing the forest for the trees. It's like y'all don't understand storytelling at all.
    Just nerds being nerds. At times, they'll argue over the smallest things they can. Everyone has to get that perceived "win" when chatting shit at each other online, too, ofc.

  16. #976
    Quote Originally Posted by UnifiedDivide View Post
    Just nerds being nerds. At times, they'll argue over the smallest things they can. Everyone has to get that perceived "win" when chatting shit at each other online, too, ofc.
    Again, you being too dense to understand what the conversation demonstrates that you're the problem, not the conversation itself.

    This isn't a semantic over words. It's what those words fucking mean to the scene in question. Again: Vision wasn't being kept alive by the Hex. He wasn't an illusion. He didn't drop into a pile of parts when he left the Hex. Nope, the Hex was trying to pull him back in, and he was fighting against it; and THAT is what was ripping him apart.

    I'm not sure what's so hard to grasp about that, or how you think both things mean exactly the same thing. But again, that demonstrates your lack of brain power, not the conversation itself.

    Flaming isn't allowed. Infracted.
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  17. #977
    Ok, so the latest Mr Sunday Movies "shoot the shit about this half hour show for a half hour on youtube" video came out not long ago, and it included something I found pretty funny, and I had to share (no, not the part about the rats):

    Check it out. Don't worry, it's just a couple minutes.

    As a slightly sadistic piece of shit who enjoyed the reaction to the Mandarin bait-and-switch in IM3, I think this too would be pretty great after people's imagination had been running wild for so long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by s_bushido View Post
    Ok, so the latest Mr Sunday Movies "shoot the shit about this half hour show for a half hour on youtube" video came out not long ago, and it included something I found pretty funny, and I had to share (no, not the part about the rats):

    Check it out. Don't worry, it's just a couple minutes.

    As a slightly sadistic piece of shit who enjoyed the reaction to the Mandarin bait-and-switch in IM3, I think this too would be pretty great after people's imagination had been running wild for so long.
    OMG that would be a massive trolling I think the internet would start spitting fire. Nice entertainment but....fans might not like that reveal.
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  19. #979
    Quote Originally Posted by Byuiso View Post
    Tony and Captain America had no problem defying the government when they felt the government was not doing the right thing. Especially Captain America who had a built mistrust of the government and was a fugitive.

    Let’s say Tony fell into a depression or isolation and that’s why he didn’t stop Heyward, Captain America however would never just leave Visions body. Captain America had no problem openly defying the government to rescue the Avengers from the government.

    Anyways a majority of the Avengers did not care to oppose the government.
    I mean, you're making a big assumption that the Avengers would even know anything about what SWORD was doing.

    And I really don't think they would spend resources on fighting the government when all of society is crumbling around them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by s_bushido View Post
    Ok, so the latest Mr Sunday Movies "shoot the shit about this half hour show for a half hour on youtube" video came out not long ago, and it included something I found pretty funny, and I had to share (no, not the part about the rats):

    Check it out. Don't worry, it's just a couple minutes.

    As a slightly sadistic piece of shit who enjoyed the reaction to the Mandarin bait-and-switch in IM3, I think this too would be pretty great after people's imagination had been running wild for so long.
    Lol that would be sneaky but disappointing. Maybe it would be more okay in future viewings when we know not to expect anyone. I loved Trevor from his first reveal.
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