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  1. #181
    I did try, until it got to be overwhelming. I'm just tired of living by numbers in this game. Parsings, raiderio score, simming, etc, all they ever did was cause me frustration and depression over the years. All I want to do is enjoy playing my character and enjoy living in the world of Azeroth.

    That's not to say I don't try whenever I do content. It's not like I AFK or anything. I do the best I can to the best of my capabilities, but I'm not going to stress out over 1% and I don't want to sacrifice enjoyment and flavor over optimization anymore. That might in fact mean I pick a covenant I like, play a spec that's not "meta", or pick a talent that just feels better in my hands even if icy-veins tells me not to, etc. I don't care what the warcraftlogs site tells you about me anymore, not that it really matters because you likely won't see me outside of heroic dungeons or LFR. I want to have fun, not get stressed.
    Last edited by Tadkins; 2021-01-17 at 11:21 AM.

  2. #182
    Quote Originally Posted by Wuusah View Post
    Who would have respect for someone who stands in fire to pad his hps numbers to feel like a good player? You are not even respecting yourself with such a playstyle
    you really dont get it, i was bored trying to have some fun. i actually left the raid after that because i was bored. when i go to a raid i instantly feel boredom. shame on me i guess. such a bad guy.

  3. #183
    Quote Originally Posted by Wuusah View Post
    Who would have respect for someone who stands in fire to pad his hps numbers to feel like a good player? You are not even respecting yourself with such a playstyle
    not to mention its disrespectful to the group

  4. #184
    I have a solution: How about, we take the 99%, and put them in the 1%?

  5. #185
    Quote Originally Posted by Lolites View Post
    not to mention its disrespectful to the group
    yes a lot of them were moaning that there was a flying bear.

    btw......so

    let me get this straight

    its ok

    for people to come in m+

    and not be good enough

    but its not ok

    for me to go to raids

    and mess around when bored?

    just typing a bit different

    so you might understand.

    my point.

    isnt the people moaning its disrespectful being toxic too? shouldnt a player be allowed to enjoy the game? hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm bit awkward how its the same when roles are reversed only about content you care about.

  6. #186
    Quote Originally Posted by odamienskii View Post
    you really dont get it, i was bored trying to have some fun. i actually left the raid after that because i was bored. when i go to a raid i instantly feel boredom. shame on me i guess. such a bad guy.
    maybe try to do mythic then? Don't you see how this looks? "Oh I was so bored doing this easy part of the middle difficulty raid and I was just messing around but look at how good my numbers look like. Everyone else is a scrub but me because look at those inflated numbers that I got because I was bored and gamed the system in this easy raid where I don't even try the harder bosses because I usually don't raid but I'm so good at those easy bosses, imagine how good I would be if I did the actual harder content but I don't do it because I don't raid"

    Stop being a scrub and just do the harder content. Stop living in this dreamworld of yours where you are a CE raider. You are nothing until you PROVE to yourself that you can do it.

  7. #187
    Quote Originally Posted by Tadkins View Post
    I did try, until it got to be overwhelming. I'm just tired of living by numbers in this game. Parsings, raiderio score, simming, etc, all they ever did was cause me frustration and depression over the years. All I want to do is enjoy playing my character and enjoy living in the world of Azeroth.

    That's not to say I don't try whenever I do content. It's not like I AFK or anything. I do the best I can to the best of my capabilities, but I'm not going to stress out over 1% and I don't want to sacrifice enjoyment and flavor over optimization anymore. That might in fact mean I pick a covenant I like, play a spec that's not "meta", or pick a talent that just feels better in my hands even if icy-veins tells me not to, etc. I don't care what the warcraftlogs site tells you about me anymore, not that it really matters because you likely won't see me outside of heroic dungeons or LFR. I want to have fun, not get stressed.
    thats the thing mate i didnt live by ranks or rio etc, i was trying to reach the level where i actually get to enjoy the game which is top world, i mean i was playing 29 keys in bfa and they were a bit testing but they werent exactly insanely hard, who knows i could of got to 32 which were world 1 and still not found the enjoyment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wuusah View Post
    maybe try to do mythic then? Don't you see how this looks? "Oh I was so bored doing this easy part of the middle difficulty raid and I was just messing around but look at how good my numbers look like. Everyone else is a scrub but me because look at those inflated numbers that I got because I was bored and gamed the system in this easy raid where I don't even try the harder bosses because I usually don't raid but I'm so good at those easy bosses, imagine how good I would be if I did the actual harder content but I don't do it because I don't raid"

    Stop being a scrub and just do the harder content. Stop living in this dreamworld of yours where you are a CE raider. You are nothing until you PROVE to yourself that you can do it.
    i already proved it mate thats the problem, everyone else hasnt proved to themselves so they think its make believe, when you have gone high world rank and found it easy wondering how much higher you can go before you start finding it hard it gives you a hunger to play that level to find out, but in this game you cant do that without other players of the same mindset, its impossible.

    i dont claim to be the best in the world, i dont know how good i am, i just know im better than world 100 because i achieved that through pugs, in a premade of good players who played constantly destroying keys together learning together growing together i would expect at least world 30 as a minimum because i was touching in rank 100 keys in pugs without issue, or i was.

    premades have so much advantage over pugs i cant even begin to explain to you how much advantage they have, the consistency alone, the time saving aspect of not signing for repeat keys over and over having to join 6 dud keys that were dead before they even began due to the level of player in the party before you find a party that is actually capable of timing.
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  8. #188
    When you're told constantly that you're worthless, selfish, a detriment for the group, that you don't deserve to be able to play with others and participate in a group setting, all because you want to play frost instead of fire as a mage, it gets to be a bit tiring and wears down the soul.
    Last edited by Tadkins; 2021-01-17 at 11:35 AM.

  9. #189
    Quote Originally Posted by Wuusah View Post
    I don't think Gaidax respects you, though
    Frankly I don't really care.

    I just found it funny that a guy who does not even have AoTC and got a few decent ranks in HC, keeps making these silly threads about skill and shit.

    I mean, come on man. It's like if me with my 1800 RBG rating would bemoan how PvP is not about skill anymore.

  10. #190
    Quote Originally Posted by odamienskii View Post
    thats the point, 6million players. 100 are top world.. ppl like me are few and far between its not so easy to just go out and find top 100 rank players because thats the thing, there is only what 2000 of them when you consider each class/viable spec?

    and then you have the issue that the majority of these players already have a premade, all the top players i befriended already had a premade. thats how it works. especially in bfa where a healers skill was secondary made my ability redundant / disposable it wasnt down to how good a healer was it was about how fun he was to be around. world of socialcraft, one big popularity contest.

    Also there was the element of people being threatened by how well i played, i ran 10 keys with a group and they were commentating about how insane it was how flawless i had played through all the keys.

    i should be proud of world 100 all things considered when i stop and think of the cards the game handed me.
    Start in a "middle of the road guild", get some 99% parses, show dedication. Then move up the guild ranks slowly, until you reach the top.
    If you've played for a long time, and you still aren't at the top compared to how you boast about your own abilities, then maybe you aren't as good as you think? It's very normal to overestimate your own skills, so don't be too hard on yourself!

  11. #191
    Quote Originally Posted by Karlz0rz View Post
    Start in a "middle of the road guild", get some 99% parses, show dedication. Then move up the guild ranks slowly, until you reach the top.
    If you've played for a long time, and you still aren't at the top compared to how you boast about your own abilities, then maybe you aren't as good as you think? It's very normal to overestimate your own skills, so don't be too hard on yourself!
    i dont enjoy raiding mate. find it boring as hell

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidax View Post
    Frankly I don't really care.

    I just found it funny that a guy who does not even have AoTC and got a few decent ranks in HC, keeps making these silly threads about skill and shit.

    I mean, come on man. It's like if me with my 1800 RBG rating would bemoan how PvP is not about skill anymore.
    depends, if you had glad in previous seasons and did only pvp id expect that you know what your talking about.

    i only do m+ and what im saying is i cant handle another expansion of pugging because its not challenging enough for me the level that pugs fail repeatidly.

  12. #192
    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidax View Post
    Frankly I don't really care.

    I just found it funny that a guy who does not even have AoTC and got a few decent ranks in HC, keeps making these silly threads about skill and shit.

    I mean, come on man. It's like if me with my 1800 RBG rating would bemoan how PvP is not about skill anymore.
    right?
    i mean my scrub guild where we consider ourselves extremely casual (hell i am ahead of guild progres with pug) is at 9/10hc, he is world top 100 player with unparaleled skill (both things he claimed despite achieving nothing even remotely close on chars he posted) and is at 6/10...

  13. #193
    Quote Originally Posted by odamienskii View Post
    i only do m+ and what im saying is i cant handle another expansion of pugging because its not challenging enough for me the level that pugs fail repeatidly.
    So don't pug. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    Really not getting you... you expect some sort of amazing skill in a pug? Since when was that ever a thing in WoW?

    I exclusively only pug M+ for weekly vault, if there is no guild group up. And my expectation of that pug is that they simply complete the run, not even time it - because for vault it does not matter. I certainly don't expect to join a group filled with guys pushing 20s that for some reason came to do that shitty 14/15 run.

  14. #194
    Quote Originally Posted by Lolites View Post
    right?
    i mean my scrub guild where we consider ourselves extremely casual (hell i am ahead of guild progres with pug) is at 9/10hc, he is world top 100 player with unparaleled skill (both things he claimed despite achieving nothing even remotely close on chars he posted) and is at 6/10...
    right that is it! your in the so dumb i have pity catagory

  15. #195
    Quote Originally Posted by RobertMugabe View Post

    I could bet that OP is the guy that bombs the raid on geddon and then blames everyone for the wipe.
    But requires all world buffs. And no rets or ferals!

    OP you could have gotten keymaster for the time you spent arguing in this thread.

  16. #196
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    Quote Originally Posted by odamienskii View Post
    I remember back in previous expansions when it was an insult to be called a casual, now everyone identifies as one.
    The only People that thought it was an insult to call someone a Casual are the ones everyone laughs at anyway.

    It's not unfashionable to be good, People just enjoy giving shit to People that take Videogames so seriously.

  17. #197
    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidax View Post
    So don't pug. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    Really not getting you... you expect some sort of amazing skill in a pug? Since when was that ever a thing in WoW?

    I exclusively only pug M+ for weekly vault, if there is no guild group up. And my expectation of that pug is that they simply complete the run, not even time it - because for vault it does not matter. I certainly don't expect to join a group filled with guys pushing 20s that for some reason came to do that shitty 14/15 run.
    true mate, its why i stopped so sharply, suddenly realised i had a disastrous time in bfa i wasnt doing it again. you can see the date of my last key, a sudden stop on the 24th december after that 3rd 16 (after timing a 15) where someone in the party flopped due to not being handle the "pressure" of being in a "big boy key" which wasnt a big boy key at all. but to him it was.

    not doing it all again i have 2 days on my sub and rather than play the game ive spent all night sat here, had a lot of fun actually, better than playing that crap game.

  18. #198
    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidax View Post
    So don't pug. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    Really not getting you... you expect some sort of amazing skill in a pug? Since when was that ever a thing in WoW?

    I exclusively only pug M+ for weekly vault, if there is no guild group up. And my expectation of that pug is that they simply complete the run, not even time it - because for vault it does not matter. I certainly don't expect to join a group filled with guys pushing 20s that for some reason came to do that shitty 14/15 run.
    It's hard to not pug when premades can't stand you and kick you out

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    Healer/hps parses are worthless as a skill indicator and you are straight up an idiot for thinking that.
    -Mana efficiency is not included in that.
    -Encounter awareness/spot healing is not included in that.
    -Stupid Overheal is not included in that.

    In fact, your logs as healer will suck if you are in a good raid group naturally if you don't push them by standing in shit.

    This is the problem with datasets and warcraftlogs, too many people have no fucking idea how to read/interpret them.
    Last edited by LuckyOne; 2021-01-17 at 12:04 PM.

  20. #200
    Quote Originally Posted by Super Kami Dende View Post
    The only People that thought it was an insult to call someone a Casual are the ones everyone laughs at anyway.

    It's not unfashionable to be good, People just enjoy giving shit to People that take Videogames so seriously.
    yes you giggle with your virtual friends to fill the lack of friends you clearly have in real life, ever considered that maybe someone who cares more about being good doesnt actually want to make pretend friends that are 600 miles away? sure il have some fun with you and chill and have a laugh, but friends? really?

    You laugh at me, i laugh right back at you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LuckyOne View Post
    Healer/hps parses are worthless and you are straight up an idiot for thinking that.
    game within the game mate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wuusah View Post
    It's hard to not pug when premades can't stand you and kick you out
    this has never happened. legit never, what has happened 99% of the time however is i have played perfect and someone has done something ridiculous that destroyed the key.... every time.

    then im toxic for losing my crap on the 15th key in a row where some retard has come up with some new never seen before way of destroying a timable key.

    im usually polite untill my 15th retard encounter, its like my tipping point or at least it used to be.

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