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    Old raids solo as 60?

    Good Morning. There was an issue in shadowlands that old raids was harder at level 60 than level 50. I am thinking of resub to the game and since I am casual, I spent most of my time for vanity items and transmogs. I was waiting for shadowlands to get to 60 to be able to easily farm legion raids for transmog.

    Have they "fixed" that? (I say "fixed" cause I dont know if its a bug or if they change their philosophy on that matter).

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    In content older than Legion you'll have a scaling factor of maybe about 50x-100x damage done and reduced damage taken. In Legion the factor is a "mere" 10x meaning you may find it significantly harder to solo certain bosses on mythic difficulty. BFA content has no scaling factor at all at level 60 afaik.
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    Monk here (not the best solo class)

    WoD and older is easy on every difficulty.
    Legion EN is easy on mythic, NE is doable on hc, mythic only for classes with more self-healing.
    ToV has a tank swap mechanic still implemented with Odyn. Big meh.
    ToS is doable on hc.
    Antorus has a tank swap mechanic still implemented with Coven of Shivarra. But all other bosses are solo-able.

    All in all, if you've geared a bit in SL, raids are much easier than in BfA where some Antorus bosses were hard even on normal. It'll take some patches for all to be doable on mythic though.
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    Like the others have said, it's just Legion intentionally though there have been some bugs in ICC and some cata raids it wasn't intentional and was fixed.
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    Blizzard has fucked up the scaling big time, and Ion's attitude is "working as intended". Unbelievable really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by papajohn4 View Post
    Have they "fixed" that?
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    In Legion the factor is a "mere" 10x
    It's worse than that. According to an interview with Ion, it's only 8x more damage. So until they "fix" that to something better, or we all get geared much more, it's still hard as hell with most bosses on Mythic.

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    It's annoying, but apparently it's working as intended.

    I started soloing WoD Mythic content in Legion, some fight's we're a bit tricky, but it was doable. In BfA it was child's play.

    But now, even being 2 expansions old, later Legion raids are no way close to being soloable.
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    This is the one of the things that boils my blood about the current game. Some of my favourite activities are soloing old raids, and because Ion has either no sense of why this is an issue, or simply doesn’t give a shit, I can’t faceroll the older content as I please. It’s infuriating.
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    Blizz has a lot on their plate right now, they will get to this and fix it - it just takes time sadly

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    as a 202 mm hunter, mythic nighthold was extremely easy, almost felt like a joke... until good old gul'dan...

    it is literally impossible to do anything but roll over and die to the demon within. maybe later in the expansion my old friend...
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    Soloing in SL is harder than it was in BFA. Old instance debuffs that used to miss 100% of the time now apply (example molten core) so while they are still super easy you can have some mild annoyances that haven't existed in years. Legion raids are more difficult. I haven't tested this myself actually but somebody was recently saying it's easier to solo Legion content at level 50 than it is at level 60?

    Either way, soloing took a step back in SL. I used to be able to solo Mythic Gul'dan, that is no longer the case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dacoolist View Post
    Blizz has a lot on their plate right now, they will get to this and fix it - it just takes time sadly
    Sounds like a simple fix though, might be wrong here. But the scaling is massively bad atm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Huntermyth View Post
    as a 202 mm hunter, mythic nighthold was extremely easy, almost felt like a joke... until good old gul'dan...

    it is literally impossible to do anything but roll over and die to the demon within. maybe later in the expansion my old friend...
    When I tried it a while ago, as maybe 210-213ish hunter, mythic guldan was no problem at all. In fact all mythic legion raids are entirely doable if you know what you are doing. (except maybe mythic eonar, only boss I haven't tried because cba with the perma knockups when you click all crystals, but it has been done by Durendil in BFA)

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    I tried NH month ago with my ele shaman and I wiped several times on botanist and in the end I couldn't kill Guldan, I even used dmg pot on demon within but managed to get him to 20% on best pull. It was with 170 ilvl gear though, I imagine with 212 I have now, it would be easy. After NH experience I didn't bother to try ToS and Antorus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dacoolist View Post
    Blizz has a lot on their plate right now, they will get to this and fix it - it just takes time sadly
    What is there to fix exactly? Most bosses are soloable at 200 ilvl (which is obtainable by just doing covenant stuff more or less), and at 210 everything should go down with ease. Just pug it, in time (especially in 9.1) everything will be super easy for everyone. So the fix is coming naturally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skajaki View Post
    What is there to fix exactly? Most bosses are soloable at 200 ilvl (which is obtainable by just doing covenant stuff more or less), and at 210 everything should go down with ease. Just pug it, in time (especially in 9.1) everything will be super easy for everyone. So the fix is coming naturally.
    See, the thing is that’s Ion’s excuse for letting this continue. With that mindset it’ll never be fixed at all and this trend will continue
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    Quote Originally Posted by papajohn4 View Post
    Good Morning. There was an issue in shadowlands that old raids was harder at level 60 than level 50. I am thinking of resub to the game and since I am casual, I spent most of my time for vanity items and transmogs. I was waiting for shadowlands to get to 60 to be able to easily farm legion raids for transmog.

    Have they "fixed" that? (I say "fixed" cause I dont know if its a bug or if they change their philosophy on that matter).

    Thanks
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    Legion is 2 expansions old it's ridiculous that it's not as easy to solo as say a cataclysm raid at this point, it's legacy content. We should be able to solo BFA normal/heroic bfa stuff by now if you ask me

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    Quote Originally Posted by skajaki View Post
    What is there to fix exactly? Most bosses are soloable at 200 ilvl (which is obtainable by just doing covenant stuff more or less), and at 210 everything should go down with ease. Just pug it, in time (especially in 9.1) everything will be super easy for everyone. So the fix is coming naturally.

    The complaint would be stuff that I could kill pre-9.0 without corruption gear should be just as easy post 9.0. but it wasn't. The extremely easy fix that they applied to every other raid is to make a debuff of 20-30% to the bosses and call it a day. I just find it odd Ion's attitude of "Just get more gear and let us know how it goes" It seems like he wants to half ass preserve those raids but I don't get why.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bombademar View Post
    When I tried it a while ago, as maybe 210-213ish hunter, mythic guldan was no problem at all. In fact all mythic legion raids are entirely doable if you know what you are doing. (except maybe mythic eonar, only boss I haven't tried because cba with the perma knockups when you click all crystals, but it has been done by Durendil in BFA)
    it's good to hear but could you be a bit more specific about how did you handle the demon within's ticking dot ? even with a leech pet i couldn't outheal that ability. thanks in advance.
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