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    blade dance and deathsweep

    Icyviens says that if you play a "cycle of hatred" build, you should never use blade dance or deathsweep. Is this correct? Are there situations where this rule doesnt apply?

    build being:
    Blind fury
    insatiable hunger
    glaive tempest
    cycle of hatred
    demonic


    thanks!!
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    Theoretically yes, if you cannot cast another Eye Beam for some reason even with the cooldown reduction.

    In practice, this will very rarely be the case and the chance to screw up by doing it wrong is high enough that you're better off training yourself not to use it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Minikin View Post
    Icyviens says that if you play a "cycle of hatred" build, you should never use blade dance or deathsweep. Is this correct? Are there situations where this rule doesnt apply?

    build being:
    Blind fury
    insatiable hunger
    glaive tempest
    cycle of hatred
    demonic


    thanks!!
    Yeah, pretty much. When you use blade dance or death sweep you wont get your CDR on eyebeam. If you are spending fury on those two you aren't spending it on chaos strike either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Biomega View Post
    Theoretically yes, if you cannot cast another Eye Beam for some reason even with the cooldown reduction.

    In practice, this will very rarely be the case and the chance to screw up by doing it wrong is high enough that you're better off training yourself not to use it.
    awesome thanks. and this is for all cases? like say if i have 3 or 5 adds still dont use it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaqthefat View Post
    Yeah, pretty much. When you use blade dance or death sweep you wont get your CDR on eyebeam. If you are spending fury on those two you aren't spending it on chaos strike either.
    gotcha, and no amount of adds changes that correct?
    Blood Elves were based on a STRONG request from a poll of Asian players where many remarked on the Horde side that they and their girlfriends wanted a non-creepy femme race to play (Source)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Minikin View Post
    Icyviens says that if you play a "cycle of hatred" build, you should never use blade dance or deathsweep. Is this correct? Are there situations where this rule doesnt apply?

    build being:
    Blind fury
    insatiable hunger
    glaive tempest
    cycle of hatred
    demonic


    thanks!!
    No, if you pick cycle of hatred then you might as well remove that keybind. It is both optimal for dps and for the true DH experience: use as few buttons as possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Minikin View Post
    gotcha, and no amount of adds changes that correct?
    Both Icy Veins and Wowhead clearly state that blade dance/death sweep should be completly removed from the rotation if you pick cycle of hatred.
    But if you want true expert advice then I'd suggest that you go to the DH discord and read their stickies.

    Edit: both guides - Wowhead and Icy-veins - are written by players that have a proven record, so I am not suggesting that they aren't expert advice, but the spec discords usually have even the most absurd, fringe scenarios covered.

    On Wowhead, Icy-Veins and in the stickies sections on the spec discords you will get peer-reviewed advice, here you have no idea if the advice is given by a competent person. And that includes me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Minikin View Post
    gotcha, and no amount of adds changes that correct?
    Correct, Eye Beam is always superior no matter what. The only reason to change it would be not being able to cast Eye Beam for some reason.

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    https://wago.io/cool-blade-dance

    TLDR: from class discord
    With First Blood or Chaos Theory -> Blade dance on cooldown

    With Trail of Ruin -> Blade Dance on 2+ target

    Death Sweep on 2+ target
    Blade dance on 3+ target

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    Quote Originally Posted by Minikin View Post

    gotcha, and no amount of adds changes that correct?
    As far as I know, eye beam will out dps them even on a fight like Kael'thas

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    @Biomega and @Shaqthefat thanks for the clarification

    Quote Originally Posted by Lynkeus View Post
    https://wago.io/cool-blade-dance

    TLDR: from class discord
    With First Blood or Chaos Theory -> Blade dance on cooldown

    With Trail of Ruin -> Blade Dance on 2+ target

    Death Sweep on 2+ target
    Blade dance on 3+ target
    while i have you here. in the case of using the legendary chaos theory, does that make the blade dance build superior?
    Blood Elves were based on a STRONG request from a poll of Asian players where many remarked on the Horde side that they and their girlfriends wanted a non-creepy femme race to play (Source)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Minikin View Post
    @Biomega and @Shaqthefat thanks for the clarification



    while i have you here. in the case of using the legendary chaos theory, does that make the blade dance build superior?
    The chaos theory does make blade dance build superior on single target fights. On AOE fights the eye beam cycle of hatred build will be better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaqthefat View Post
    The chaos theory does make blade dance build superior on single target fights. On AOE fights the eye beam cycle of hatred build will be better.
    Got it
    Thanks!
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    This has been updated on the DH havoc discord and Jedith has a vid up for it for a nice walkthrought link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4ud...channel=Jedith

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    awesome thanks. like say if i have 3 or 5 adds still dont use it?

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