View Poll Results: Would you join The Patriot Party

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  • Republican (Yes)

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  • Democrat (No)

    16 29.63%
  • Independent (Yes)

    2 3.70%
  • Independent (No)

    12 22.22%
  • No Party (Yes)

    1 1.85%
  • No Party (No)

    21 38.89%
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    2 3.70%
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  1. #81
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    Quote Originally Posted by TigTone View Post
    It will shower America in a golden glory!
    Bad puns like this one? You've gotta be kidney.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gestopft View Post
    The symbol can be a bucket and a mop for...cleaning up America???
    Now you are thinking. Now obviously Ben Shapiro isn't welcome both because this will be fervently Anti-Libertarian, but also he already hates the W.A.P I'm told.
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    The Republican party fracturing would be a good thing, but thinking that it would result in the democrats being permanently in charge may be a bit too optimistic.

    The democrats have two main factions, progressives and pragmatists, that are held together by mutual dislike of the republicans. If the republicans implode, that pressure goes off the democrats and I would not be surprised to see infighting start and the two Democrat factions seperate, resulting in a messy 4 way contest and who knows who comes out on top then.

    It's a worst case scenario and one I'd hate to see but it is a possibility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus View Post
    The Republican party fracturing would be a good thing, but thinking that it would result in the democrats being permanently in charge may be a bit too optimistic.

    The democrats have two main factions, progressives and pragmatists, that are held together by mutual dislike of the republicans. If the republicans implode, that pressure goes off the democrats and I would not be surprised to see infighting start and the two Democrat factions seperate, resulting in a messy 4 way contest and who knows who comes out on top then.

    It's a worst case scenario and one I'd hate to see but it is a possibility.
    Your worst case scenario is the ideal one. A multi-party system is way better than the red/blue team sport we have now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus View Post
    The Republican party fracturing would be a good thing, but thinking that it would result in the democrats being permanently in charge may be a bit too optimistic.

    The democrats have two main factions, progressives and pragmatists, that are held together by mutual dislike of the republicans. If the republicans implode, that pressure goes off the democrats and I would not be surprised to see infighting start and the two Democrat factions seperate, resulting in a messy 4 way contest and who knows who comes out on top then.

    It's a worst case scenario and one I'd hate to see but it is a possibility.
    More realistically I don't see the Republican party splitting wholesale as much as we see a rerun of what happened with the Tea Party; wherein the crazy fringe was able to rile up the base enough into primarying out 'moderate' republicans and shift the whole tone of the party even further right.

    That or the Fringe becomes marginalized to a nothing element of party policy because not-as-crazy republicans decide they want to maintain (at least the illusion of) power more than sticking to their whackjob ideology.

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    Well I hope he does go through with it, soon. That will encourage Senate Republicans to vote to impeach him, I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus View Post
    The Republican party fracturing would be a good thing, but thinking that it would result in the democrats being permanently in charge may be a bit too optimistic.

    The democrats have two main factions, progressives and pragmatists, that are held together by mutual dislike of the republicans. If the republicans implode, that pressure goes off the democrats and I would not be surprised to see infighting start and the two Democrat factions seperate, resulting in a messy 4 way contest and who knows who comes out on top then.

    It's a worst case scenario and one I'd hate to see but it is a possibility.
    Not just that...but if the Republicans dropped their far right whacko component...they might be more appealing to Conservative democrats and independents.

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    It might also liberate the progressives from the prison tent of the Democratic Party eventually should a 3rd part manage to hold unto 25-30% of the vote.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Egomaniac View Post
    Not just that...but if the Republicans dropped their far right whacko component...they might be more appealing to Conservative democrats and independents.
    I think the republican party is too shortsighted to do that in earnest.

    They are a party that basically exists on a national scale in a state of teetering on the brink of irrelevancy. They can't pause to take the time to soul-search or take multiple election cycles to pivot their messaging and candidates; losing their wacko followers while failing to attract any new demographics that aren't the old people or non-college educated white men who already form the majority of their base means they basically lose any large-scale national race, and races in purple districts become harder and harder for them to win. And if they lose those national races democrats come in and do things like... undo gerrymandering, make it less obtrusive for people to vote, and other such enfranchisement that the republicans fight because it's the only other facet by which they can retain their power.

    I think the GOP is dying a slow, painful death. We need to keep slow, steady pressure in ensuring that, if they don't clean up their act in a major, and I mean MAJOR way, they do indeed go the way of the dodo and politically relevant parties can take their place. The democrats need to run a concentrated, even keel in making that happen.
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    Words to live by.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    I think the republican party is too shortsighted to do that in earnest.
    The Republican party will say and do whatever it takes to get power. If that means leaning more towards the centre when the far right drops them for the patriot party...that's what they'll do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pro-Violence View Post
    It might also liberate the progressives from the prison tent of the Democratic Party eventually should a 3rd part manage to hold unto 25-30% of the vote.
    ROFL, Trumpsters so scared they now have to fantasize Dem's splitting into two parties to help them cope with how stupid this Patriot party idea is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Egomaniac View Post
    The Republican party will say and do whatever it takes to get power. If that means leaning more towards the centre when the far right drops them for the patriot party...that's what they'll do.
    I don't think they can accomplish that goal in the short term, though. Especially if Trump does run some sort of spoiler candidate against them.

    People are becoming less scared of the things Republicans need people to be scared of to get people to mindlessly vote for them. Especially because the thing that people ARE scared of right now... Covid... is the one thing they told people not to be scared of. Because they (well, more specifically, Trump, but they followed him to a T) couldn't sign some sort of token legislation that was never meant to actually do anything and pretend the problem was solved, like they tried to do with the "muslim ban" or "building the wall."

    I'm sure the GOP will be back on fearmongering about illegal immigrants and socialism and muslims and all the other stuff they bitched about from 2000-2015 before Trump said the quiet part out loud and sank their discourse to the bottom of the sea. But so long as Covid is around, people keep hearing about death numbers, and its real and present danger is highlighted, it'll be a hard damn case to make people more afraid of the normal GOP boogeymen than of the actual lethal virus outbreak ravaging the world.
    Last edited by Kaleredar; 2021-01-23 at 08:29 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wells View Post
    Kaleredar is right...
    Words to live by.

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    Considering who the party is marketed for, it's a good name. These are the kind of people who are easily controlled by mere words like "patriot". A retarded, perpetual Manchurian Candidate kind of deal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    I think the republican party is too shortsighted to do that in earnest.
    Hard to have long term strategies when your political ideology is reactionary.

  16. #96
    I'm pretty shocked people are taking this seriously. Hell will freeze over before he declares all out war on the GOP with a spoiler party. This will never, ever happen. There is no such thing as "fracturing the GOP", it is one or the other. There barely is enough room for the GOP as is to exist to begin with.

    Trump might threaten the GOP with this and Dems might dream of it, but even as a threat it is obviously laughable considering not even the slimiest of GOP opportunists would follow him. If he really did this A. his political career would end right there and then B. the GOP would all but have him assassinated before letting the Trumpist nutcases in their party defect to him.

    Now if the GOP collapses in future cycles (zero chance of this happening during his lifetime but for argument's sake), maybe this can be taken more seriously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by draynay View Post
    I hope they have a crack suicide squad like the Judean People's Front.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Egomaniac View Post
    The Republican party will say and do whatever it takes to get power. If that means leaning more towards the centre when the far right drops them for the patriot party...that's what they'll do.
    Hahahaha, no, they'll spend money to learn what they'll need to do to survive longterm, then jump on the short-term gain
    "Law and Order", lots of places have had that, Russia, North Korea, Saddam's Iraq.
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    That doesn't actually counter my point. If the far right splits off and they need to court centrists to survive...that's what they'll do. If the PP crumbles and the right wing comes back... they'll push back in that direction. They'll always move in the direction that allows them to keep power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Egomaniac View Post
    That doesn't actually counter my point. If the far right splits off and they need to court centrists to survive...that's what they'll do. If the PP crumbles and the right wing comes back... they'll push back in that direction. They'll always move in the direction that allows them to keep power.
    They'll fight tooth and nail to hold on to those crazies, because those people are easier to secure than courting centrists who are slowly, but surely, shifting ever-more left. It's exactly what happened in 2008. And as I said, any gradual shift of platform, policy and messaging might be too slow for the GOP to shift away from without them losing all national-scale political relevance to the democrats. Which I'm personally fine with, but the GOP is obviously not.

    Remember why the GOP exists today: To enrich itself and be a lobbyist for corporations and the mega-rich. It's real damn hard to sell middle-class and poor people on that if you can't ALSO make them scared of the boogeymen the GOP fall back on to disguise their lack of actual policy, and as I posted previously it's getting harder to make people afraid of those things, especially when a lethal pandemic is at the forefront of everyone's mind. Put on top of that four years of the GOP just going along with Trump's bullshit and the GOP is a more and more difficult sell to the centrists.

    If there's any "soul-searching" (and I use that term very lightly) going on at the GOP right now, it's about how to reclaim Trump's base as a solid GOP voter block, especially if their inside research reveals that they might have lost the Georgia senate because of GOP voter apathy following Trump's loss or Trump-propagated claims of fraud.
    Last edited by Kaleredar; 2021-01-23 at 10:58 PM.
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    Kaleredar is right...
    Words to live by.

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