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  1. #121
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pratt View Post
    I learned that I need to reroll dh if I want to tank, priest if I want to heal, and mage if I want to dps. I imagine that going forward it'll be 3x as hard as it was to get a group with any other class.
    You should have learned that in this VERY SPECIAL and NICHE competition you mostly need to be Alliance and Nightelf to be able to Shadowmeld and skip packs.

    Outside of it, plenty of other tanks, healers and dps. In fact...resto shaman could be the greatest healing class...and it would not be taken because you cannot be NE. That is what I learned from people in this thread and it sounds reasonable.

  2. #122
    Quote Originally Posted by korijenkins View Post
    Mythic + in general was a terrible idea and poorly executed concept.

    Repeating content in this game simply isn't fun. It's not fun to watch either.
    All of wows endgame content is repetetive. Mythic+ probably is the least repetetive because the playstyle changes depending on comp, affixes, ilvl etc.
    Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it was a terrible idea. Mythic+ was the best feature introduced in an addon besides arena. That's a fact.
    There are lot of people who enjoy m+ (like myself) and who also were entertained by MDI even tho there is a lot to improve about it.

    Idk if you ever experienced this or even tried to play m+ seriously, but having a group of friends playing together, trying to figure out ways to improve in m+ and push as far as your skill and comp allow it is the most fun I have in the game besides mythic raiding.

    If you want a game with no repetition you have to play a singleplayer storybased game. How do you think a mmo is even possible without repeating activities?
    Last edited by Easyclassictopkeklel; 2021-01-25 at 11:13 PM.

  3. #123
    What does Lightee retiring tell you about MDI?

  4. #124
    Quote Originally Posted by Selvari7 View Post
    What does Lightee retiring tell you about MDI?
    That Blizzard has failed to provide a prize pool high enough to warrant the time investment it requires.

    I think the biggest problem is that the MDI represents an answer to a question nobody ever asked. The eSportsification of everything is, I guess, the late stage capitalist endgame that was inevitable from the start but it has a bunch of fundamental problems that have yet to be answered:

    • Unlike traditional eSports, there isn't a clear Red vs. Blue, good vs. bad paradigm at play. This within itself makes the viewing experience pretty shitty.
    • Unlike traditional eSports, casual players are going to want to see their favorite class represented but due to the inherent competitive nature of the event, no sane team would ever intentionally pick a worse comp because they have a "sick Shadow Priest strat" or a "pocket Sub Rogue."
    • Additionally, casual players will likely have no fucking idea what half the shit they're viewing even means. It's nice that there's color commentators to help fill in some of the gaps but the fact is that there's so much shit going on from pull to pull that doesn't get discussed that it's kind of a disservice to any viewer who isn't already fairly familiar with how the dungeons work in the first place.
    • Blizzard has failed, repeatedly, to actually prepare dungeons for this event. The number of bugs that are encountered at the MDI is quite worrisome and hearing the poor casters try to verbally finesse the fact that Blizzard, yet again, shit the bed in front of an audience of tens and thousands of people is, well, entertaining on one hand but kind of depressing as fuck on the other.

    There are no easy fixes to any of these issues so it appears that Blizzard is taking the path of least resistance: Put on the show and hope the audience will follow. After this first cup series I think they'll have a lot reflection to do but without changing a lot about how the MDI works I can't see it achieving anywhere near the success that I'm sure Blizzard would like to see it have.
    Last edited by otaXephon; 2021-01-26 at 12:22 AM.

  5. #125
    The patch notes say that Pride will now see through stealth and invisibility. Does that mean bye bye shadowmeld strats? If yes, then I think that will be a nice change.

  6. #126
    Quote Originally Posted by Bombercloner View Post
    The patch notes say that Pride will now see through stealth and invisibility. Does that mean bye bye shadowmeld strats? If yes, then I think that will be a nice change.
    Yes. But in future patches with another affix, the Shadowmeld strat could have a comeback. You can also still use Shadowmeld to skip normal trash packs tho.

  7. #127
    Quote Originally Posted by Bombercloner View Post
    The patch notes say that Pride will now see through stealth and invisibility. Does that mean bye bye shadowmeld strats? If yes, then I think that will be a nice change.
    isn't it also used as a pseudo-vanish for trash skips pretty often? i don't see this change effecting the meta comp. at all.

  8. #128
    Esports are ruining the game, m+ is cancer and this garbage has no place it wow.

  9. #129
    Quote Originally Posted by Sithalos View Post
    Nah, I love watching a boss bug out and kill everyone at 5% and the game not get reset.

    The MDI is great.
    wich boss? what happend?
    None of us really changes over time. We only become more fully what we are.

  10. #130
    Quote Originally Posted by Devilyaki View Post
    Esports are ruining the game, m+ is cancer and this garbage has no place it wow.
    M+ is best thing what has happened to wow

  11. #131
    M+ is a fantastic mode in WoW (revert the loot though) however all WoW eSports are boring as fuck. The entire game is boring to watch. This is 100% a "game you play" and not a "game you watch." There are zero exciting hooks, no excitement in the content of arena, raiding, or mythic+. There's no push and pull even in PvP. It's boring, forced eSports.

    But it's still a great game to play. Blizzard needs to abandon the eSports aspect entirely because it's just.. unnecessary, and frankly awful.

  12. #132
    Quote Originally Posted by erifwodahs View Post
    M+ is best thing what has happened to wow
    Can't agree more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dwimmerlaik View Post
    M+ is a fantastic mode in WoW (revert the loot though) however all WoW eSports are boring as fuck. The entire game is boring to watch. This is 100% a "game you play" and not a "game you watch." There are zero exciting hooks, no excitement in the content of arena, raiding, or mythic+. There's no push and pull even in PvP. It's boring, forced eSports.

    But it's still a great game to play. Blizzard needs to abandon the eSports aspect entirely because it's just.. unnecessary, and frankly awful.
    Agree with this too.

  13. #133
    who cares...it's a social event for social people...not meant to be related to actual video games at all

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