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    Quote Originally Posted by Lolites View Post
    who, exactly like Calia, was never rejected and shunned by his own people or family, and didnt suffer for YEARS like forsaken...
    for him it was dying in war, raised, tortured a bit and getting back to his family...
    And, once again, you don't have to suffer to be able to understand and help others. Also, her brother killed their father, she saw her kingdom getting fucked by undead, she lost her husband and kids. That counts for nothing?
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  2. #142
    Quote Originally Posted by Raisei View Post
    Sooo, because she wasn't undead then means she hasn't suffered? Humans can't suffer loss and tragedy if they aren't undead? I am astounded by this logic.



    As I pointed out before: This game is not meant to accomodate an evil race. The Forsaken were a mistake, made only so people like you can play "evuuul". None of the main plots make sense when the Player Character isn't on the good side of the spectrum.

    Would a mighty Artifact weapon be given to a sociopath that enjoys killing the living? No.
    Would Magni and Azeroth choose a mass murderer as their champion? No.
    Would the Kirian work with a monster that kills for amusement? No. Neither would the Venthyr or Night Fae and even the Necrolords have a strict code of conduct.

    Your evil Forsaken does not fit into the game's plot. No matter how much you fantasize about cutting Jaina's throat instead of saving her from Torghast it is never going to happen.
    so ignore the forsaken in the story? isnt like that the game is completely ignoring the undeads since the last forsaken exp zone of cata...
    they call you living even playing a dk...
    at least dont destroy a fucking rp
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  3. #143
    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    Thrall, who never experienced demonic bloodlust (and wasn't burdened by the trauma), led Orcs quite well all those years.
    thrall learned and embraced orc culture and shamanism
    Calia want to "help" them by making them more like herself...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lolites View Post
    thrall learned and embraced orc culture and shamanism
    Calia want to "help" them by making them more like herself...
    AKA not in constant mental/physical pain. AKA actually helping them. But this is apparently a no-no now. Forsaken has to be constantly angst.
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  5. #145
    Quote Originally Posted by Lolites View Post
    thrall learned and embraced orc culture and shamanism
    Thrall never really understood orcish culture, which is why he set up such fertile ground for a world war led by his people.

  6. #146
    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    And, once again, you don't have to suffer to be able to understand and help others. Also, her brother killed their father, she saw her kingdom getting fucked by undead, she lost her husband and kids. That counts for nothing?
    "help" them by ignoring their identity and making them like her...
    the brother... you mean the guy who killed pretty much all the people she wants to lead now? yeah, why wouldnt they take her with open embrace, especialy after she gave zero fuckls about them for years until she became undead herself...

    and sure, she lost people, some of "old" forsaken literaly killed their family themself while controled by LK, and those whose families are still alive were shunned by their own kin and other humans, Calia was welcomed by anduin like she was still alive... (btw shows again nicely what hypocrites are alliance)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    AKA not in constant mental/physical pain. AKA actually helping them. But this is apparently a no-no now. Forsaken has to be constantly angst.
    It doesn't have to be , but they have to deal with it constantly, it weighing in on each and every decision, they have to struggle with empathy etc. part of them is utterly inhuman and brushing this under the carpet, because sparkly human says it is okay is just plain moronic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    AKA not in constant mental/physical pain.
    by wiping their identity and history and make them more like people who shunned them for years and even waged war on them... yeah, that seems helpful as hell...
    please, PLEASE, never try to help anyone

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    Quote Originally Posted by Combatbulter View Post
    It doesn't have to be , but they have to deal with it constantly, it weighing in on each and every decision, they have to struggle with empathy etc. part of them is utterly inhuman and brushing this under the carpet, because sparkly human says it is okay is just plain moronic.
    this, its like telling someone with depresion to just brush it off and be happy, you might think its helping but its actualy making it worse

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lolites View Post
    "help" them by ignoring their identity and making them like her...
    the brother... you mean the guy who killed pretty much all the people she wants to lead now? yeah, why wouldnt they take her with open embrace, especialy after she gave zero fuckls about them for years until she became undead herself...

    and sure, she lost people, some of "old" forsaken literaly killed their family themself while controled by LK, and those whose families are still alive were shunned by their own kin and other humans, Calia was welcomed by anduin like she was still alive... (btw shows again nicely what hypocrites are alliance)
    Again, so what if this is their identity? You think they want to suffer constantly?

    And at least Alliance does not pick a fucked up leaders that keep starting wars.
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  10. #150
    Quote Originally Posted by Utrrabbit View Post
    So...she dies and is brought back as undead and it is fake. Great logic you have their.
    Ya brought back as a fake undead. I'm glad you get it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lolites View Post
    by wiping their identity and history and make them more like people who shunned them for years and even waged war on them... yeah, that seems helpful as hell...
    please, PLEASE, never try to help anyone
    Oh I wouldn't be able to, because according to you I would have to suffer as much as them to be able to do anything. Go ask every psychologist out there about their personal traumas that are apparently necessary for them to do their work.
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  12. #152
    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    Again, so what if this is their identity? You think they want to suffer constantly?
    It is not about what they want, they can't just stop suffering their very nature is bound to it. They will always suffer

    And at least Alliance does not pick a fucked up leaders that keep starting wars.
    It is barely 30 years old give it time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Combatbulter View Post
    It is not about what they want, they can't just stop suffering their very nature is bound to it. They will always suffer
    No they don't have to always suffer, just like High Elves/Blood Elves/Nightborn didn't have to be mana addicted all the time, which also defined their nature and social structures. These things are not set in stone, it's called story progression and Blizz decided to move their story.
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  14. #154
    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    No they don't have to always suffer, just like High Elves/Blood Elves/Nightborn didn't have to be mana addicted all the time, which also defined their nature and social structures. These things are not set in stone, it's called story progression and Blizz decided to move their story.
    Necromancy causes this suffering, the very energy that keeps them in the world of the living causes them to suffer, gives them cravings, impedes their emotions etc. it is their natural state it cannot go away.

    Some undead are more screwed than others banshees for example are such tortured things, holding their essence is painful

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    Quote Originally Posted by Combatbulter View Post
    It is barely 30 years old give it time.
    they dont need time, they already have Genn to start wars and commit warcrimes

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    Quote Originally Posted by Combatbulter View Post
    Necromancy causes this suffering, the very energy that keeps them in the world of the living causes them to suffer, gives them cravings, impedes their emotions etc. it is their natural state it cannot go away.

    Some undead are more screwed than others banshees for example are such tortured things, holding their essence is painful
    Holy crap man. You argue that state caused by magic cannot be changed by some force, like for example MAGIC? Again, mana addiction was Nightborn natural state, but lo and behold, here comes this magical fruit that completely removes it. It's perfectly fine you don't like where their story is going, but saying that something of their nature cannot be changed in a world full of magic and supernatural beings on every corner is just wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lolites View Post
    they dont need time, they already have Genn to start wars and commit warcrimes
    Sorry pal, "Genn burned Teldrassil" died with Warbringers. Also we know for few years already that Genn's main beef is with Sylvi alone. Even Night Warrior Tyrande is all about Sylvi.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    Holy crap man. You argue that state caused by magic cannot be changed by some force, like for example MAGIC? Again, mana addiction was Nightborn natural state, but lo and behold, here comes this magical fruit that completely removes it. It's perfectly fine you don't like where their story is going, but saying that something cannot be changed in a world full of magic and supernatural beings on every corner is just wrong.
    Yes I am, because that is what they are, what defines them what their whole culture essentially is about, short changing that for some pitiful look at us we are now lightforged undead who are basically humans, because blizz thought this is an interesting narrative, instead of having to deal with such a fucked up state each and every second of our existence.

    If you want to see such garbage be my guest

  18. #158
    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    Again, so what if this is their identity? You think they want to suffer constantly?

    And at least Alliance does not pick a fucked up leaders that keep starting wars.
    variann didnt anything more than starting wars, what are you saying....
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    Quote Originally Posted by omeomorfismo View Post
    variann didnt anything more than starting wars, what are you saying....
    Which war did he start? Is this "muh Taurajo" time?

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