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  1. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by Yuli View Post
    Yeah, this was bound to happen. Nobody will ever be content with whatever blizz does.
    Personally, I'm good without it. I like the loot system right now more than ever before.
    the loot system now is the worst its ever been,well maybe legion was worse,wod had it pretty damn good....only 6 lvl warforged and valor ilvl upgrade is perfect place to be,you get your rng ilvl fix wile not being extreme like legions TF and you get that sense of progression over time of upgrading ilvl with valor

  2. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by shaqar View Post
    Am I the only person who actually likes this concept? And by no means was it implemented succesfully.
    Because the ilvl got way to high thanks to titanforging..
    I also miss the days of reforging but for some lame reason(s) we can't have that back..
    It's like gambling.

  3. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by shaqar View Post
    Am I the only person who actually likes this concept? And by no means was it implemented succesfully.
    Because the ilvl got way to high thanks to titanforging..
    I also miss the days of reforging but for some lame reason(s) we can't have that back..
    No, I do not want it back.
    That said, I dieslike the current system even more.

    More or less getting all or at least most of your gear from the weekly chest feels very, very unrewarding and boring.

  4. #24
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    def. bro, but there are many other threads open, you might want to tune into them

  5. #25
    WF/TF is fine if done in a model that happened like it was working in MOP. Which is, players had justice/valor point to level up gear and could raise the item level of their gear to match the WF/TF levels.

  6. #26
    no

    i dont like the low drop rate we currently have on loot but screw WF/TF i like having an endpoint to aim towards

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sesethi View Post
    WF/TF is fine if done in a model that happened like it was working in MOP. Which is, players had justice/valor point to level up gear and could raise the item level of their gear to match the WF/TF levels.
    you still couldnt though because those with WF gear could upgrade it higher still

  7. #27
    No thanks. I don't need anymore RNG and i'm perfectly fine with the reduced loot amount - it makes drops more significant.

    I'd like to see old reforge to come back for sure. It got removed because people "had to sim their character for every drop and see if it's better", but it's exactly what we always did before and still do right now lol (thanks RaidBots for the Top Gear section cause it's superuseful and makes things easier).
    You tried, and you failed. What have you learned? That's better not to try at all.

  8. #28
    No. Bring back more sockets/meta gems and reforge.

  9. #29
    Hell no.

    I love the idea that i can target specific items, i love the idea that i have bis items, i love the idea that the gearing isn't infinite progression hunting for sockets or 3 more itemlevels with 0,000001% chance.

    However i would be fine with reforging.

  10. #30
    I wish it came back, like in legion I loved it

  11. #31
    I'd like to see reforging back, I don't know why some players hate it so much.

  12. #32
    wf/tf is vastly superior to the current model.
    Quote Originally Posted by Kokolums View Post
    I want the ruins of K'aresh for 9.0 as I envision it as Netherstorm on steroids. A broken, shattered world. Eco-domes are stuck on various chunks to protect flora & fauna. I imagine a K'aresh ocean & maybe some islands contained in an eco dome or a snow-capped peak with some jungle valleys in another. Flesh version of Ethereals that never got altered. Space platforms as in Starcraft. Just a totally fantastic tileset & theme that I'd be very keen to explore. They could do some wild things.

  13. #33
    Two main problems with reforging.

    1) Back then we had hit and expertise stats with hard caps, so you had to use an addon to properly reforge your gear to waste a minimal amount of stat budget. Without an addon you simply couldn't compete.

    2) With reforging, you had to go back to town to reforge each new piece of gear before wearing it. This was in addition to gemming and enchanting, one more step between getting and equipping phat lewt.

    Warforging also had major problems, but I don't think many players complaining about it predicted that the devs would drastically reduce droprates when removing warforging to ensure that every drop felt meaningful. If we knew that, we may have been a bit less vocal about it.

    Valor points were a great system where every single boss provided something of real concrete value. So even if you didn't get your drop, you got something you cared about, something that progressed your character incrementally towards improving his gear. Today you can beat a raid of 10 bosses and walk out with literally nothing of real value whatsoever, having completely wasted your time.
    Last edited by Schizoide; 2021-01-25 at 01:36 PM.

  14. #34
    This is a pretty classic example of wow's designers missing what the actual problem is. The problem is how many difficulties there are within a tier. That's what causes the loot problem. They have a real knack for creating a problem and then creating solutions rather than walking back the problem they created. If each tier was much flatter, a lower drop rate would feel fine, because you would be acquiring best in slot relatively quickly. The problem is not the low drop rate itself. The problem is a low drop rate with best in slot too far out of reach.
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  15. #35
    Yes OP, there is like 14 WoW players total in the world that don't like that idea. But Blizz reduced drops for everything but pvp this xpac and its obvious they want that to take longer.

    Being able to make every drop count circumvents their artificial slow down of the gearing process.

    Gearing is the game. They get it now. That's why it always resets, so we can play WoW again.

  16. #36
    I would like the upgrade part, but not the randomness part. Give every item a rank system with +5/+10 ilvl. But don't make random upgraded items drop. Instead let higer m+ give more currency, up to a weekly cap, that expands like the conquest cap.

    That way you have consistent progress, hc gear can never reach mythic gear, M+ gear can get to mythic levels and you never kill a boss without some form of compensation.

    Now, is this system needed? For me personally no. I like the current system, where you get one or two guaranteed upgrades per week. But valor could supplement that to appease the "omfg, I did not get any looooooooot, Blizz fix this !!!11" crowd, that sadly infests WoW since WotLK.

  17. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by exsanguinate View Post
    It's like gambling.
    Playing pve for loot is literally gambling with your time.

    *pvp escapes this largely with exception to some pve pieces being BiS in pvp.

  18. #38
    Quote Originally Posted by slime View Post
    Gearing is the game. They get it now. That's why it always resets, so we can play WoW again.
    I mean, there are still those that play the game for the game's and for the community's sake. To have fun with your guildies and such.

  19. #39
    just let normal WF to just under heroic, 200 -> 210 or something, heroic 213 -> 223, just below mythic?

  20. #40
    I absolutely loved warforging. It could turn a trash piece of gear into something at least usable/beneficial and keep me from having to run the same damn dungeon over and over again , watching other people get a drop I needed.

    It's a damn sight better than all the garbage I get from world bosses and WQ's, and mythic keys. "Oh gee thanks for the haste/verse bracers for my crit/mastery focused spec after all that work. "
    If we could all sit and talk without demonizing one another and attempt to understand the opposite point of view, the collective world would be a better place. Mental bigotry is the worst of all.

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