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    Quote Originally Posted by NoiseTank13 View Post
    A remake with a rewritten script by polar opposites of the people who wrote the original.

    Yeah, it's going to be bad.
    Made by people who have only made ports, thus far. Not a single game of their own. They could have acquired some talent, and it could be fine, but I can't help but feel that we are not looking at a mere recipe for disaster, but at the Anarchist's Cookbook.

    It should be noted, however, that this is not the first time Aspyr has been working with Kotor 1 and 2.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspyr

    In 2015, Aspyr Media expanded their platform catalog again by releasing an iOS port of Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic[8] and later, Bioware's classic-action RPG, Jade Empire - a title they extended to Android as well.[9] In 2015, Asyr updated Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords[10] (native widescreen resolutions up to 5K, Steam Workshop, support for controllers, 57[11] achievements, etc.) and also ported it to macOS and Linux.

    So that's something, I suppose?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valkyrst View Post
    When people use the word SJW and Woke in a serious manner, you know they’re on something strong. Who even walks around trying to identify what’s woke and what isn’t? Fuck me. Imagine walking around the world going ‘that’s right wing’ and ‘that’s toxic’. Go live life and stop complaining that things aren’t exactly the way you like them.
    You seem to be ignoring the fact that the head writer is a proven non kotor fan and a huge misandrist and just talking about the opinion of the use of woke.
    The going woke that people hate is the race changing for no real reason, like the lady who wanted to switch Blade from a man to a woman and is the same one that wanted to make Clark's parents black, the same type of woke crowd who ruined the Doctor Who mythos to making it that a bunch of old white dudes syphoned the restoration powers from a little black (obviously) girl ( super obvious). I could go on and on. But never mind all that and just know that we are going to get a game from a writer who clearly has an agenda and an Ax to grind which will surely be use on the game.

    And to @Makabreska, Again, no gamer, no real gamer, complains of a lead female protag. Let me know the gamers that complained about the protag of Metroid prime dread, Resident Evil 3, Final Fantasy 13, Overwatch, Parasite Eve, Tomb Raider etc etc and I could keep going, just stop it with your misdirection. The example about sony showcase and some trolls mentioning woke. CONTEXT is everything, feminist have been ruining the game industry so its hard to tell what is a real effort and just pandering to woke twitter.

    And by the way Jax didn't go evil tyrant what are you talking about? He just went in time to help out, but he did say he was going woke but that wasn't "going woke" that people hate. Its the one I described above.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tietoso View Post
    You seem to be ignoring the fact that the head writer is a proven non kotor fan and a huge misandrist and just talking about the opinion of the use of woke.
    The going woke that people hate is the race changing for no real reason, like the lady who wanted to switch Blade from a man to a woman and is the same one that wanted to make Clark's parents black, the same type of woke crowd who ruined the Doctor Who mythos to making it that a bunch of old white dudes syphoned the restoration powers from a little black (obviously) girl ( super obvious). I could go on and on. But never mind all that and just know that we are going to get a game from a writer who clearly has an agenda and an Ax to grind which will surely be use on the game.

    And to @Makabreska, Again, no gamer, no real gamer, complains of a lead female protag. Let me know the gamers that complained about the protag of Metroid prime dread, Resident Evil 3, Final Fantasy 13, Overwatch, Parasite Eve, Tomb Raider etc etc and I could keep going, just stop it with your misdirection. The example about sony showcase and some trolls mentioning woke. CONTEXT is everything, feminist have been ruining the game industry so its hard to tell what is a real effort and just pandering to woke twitter.

    And by the way Jax didn't go evil tyrant what are you talking about? He just went in time to help out, but he did say he was going woke but that wasn't "going woke" that people hate. Its the one I described above.
    You seem to be confusing me with someone who is going to give a damn about what you think.

  4. #164
    Quote Originally Posted by Santti View Post
    Made by people who have only made ports, thus far. Not a single game of their own. They could have acquired some talent, and it could be fine, but I can't help but feel that we are not looking at a mere recipe for disaster, but at the Anarchist's Cookbook.

    It should be noted, however, that this is not the first time Aspyr has been working with Kotor 1 and 2.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspyr

    In 2015, Aspyr Media expanded their platform catalog again by releasing an iOS port of Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic[8] and later, Bioware's classic-action RPG, Jade Empire - a title they extended to Android as well.[9] In 2015, Asyr updated Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords[10] (native widescreen resolutions up to 5K, Steam Workshop, support for controllers, 57[11] achievements, etc.) and also ported it to macOS and Linux.

    So that's something, I suppose?
    Before passing judgment lets just wait and see, Obsidian was known of making games based on licensed properties of other companies and most people kind of like there product.

    In the end the publisher and owner is still Disney/LucasArts and if the product does not meet the minimum amount of expectations they will take away the the rights. THe developer has a blueprint on what the basic story of the game has to be and if the game turns out shit the developer is as much to blame as Disney/LucasArts.

    Having said that, you have to be really greedy and stupid to screw up KOTOR at this point. KOTOR needs to be a action RPG and Aspyr just needs to add a bit more story to the game (plus content that was cut) they should aim at a normal playthrough of hopefully 50 or so hours (original is on avg 30 hours).

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    It's not a sequel and one of the lead devs doesn't even like the game so I'm not optimistic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ati87 View Post
    Before passing judgment lets just wait and see, Obsidian was known of making games based on licensed properties of other companies and most people kind of like there product.
    That's not really the same. Like, at all.

    Obsidian made the games, themselves. Using other people's IP, yes, but they were still responsible in building the games. Aspyr, on the other hand, has not really made games at all. Just ported already 100% completed games by other people (including Obsidian), onto other platforms. A good cause, to be sure, as they were responsible for over 50% of the games on MacOS, at some point. But that's basically all they've done. That, and published some as well. I'm sure some of the games they've ported needed more work than others, but in the end, they've only really dealt with games that someone else had already finished. And when you hear this remake is being made from ground-up (whatever that means), it worries a little bit.

    Now, as I previously said, there's a good chance that they will still do just fine. Maybe they've acquired some good talent? Who knows.
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    An RPG PC game designed from the ground up for a console with the hardware of a 3 year old PC designed by a company, who's major contribution to the gaming world was a remaster of Fahrenheit: Indigo Prophesy...

    I'm not hopeful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Santti View Post
    That's not really the same. Like, at all.

    Obsidian made the games, themselves. Using other people's IP, yes, but they were still responsible in building the games. Aspyr, on the other hand, has not really made games at all. Just ported already 100% completed games by other people (including Obsidian), onto other platforms. A good cause, to be sure, as they were responsible for over 50% of the games on MacOS, at some point. But that's basically all they've done. That, and published some as well. I'm sure some of the games they've ported needed more work than others, but in the end, they've only really dealt with games that someone else had already finished. And when you hear this remake is being made from ground-up (whatever that means), it worries a little bit.

    Now, as I previously said, there's a good chance that they will still do just fine. Maybe they've acquired some good talent? Who knows.
    Using existing IP already placed a major border on what Obsidion could do with there own project.
    Obisidion had to work on what was previously released for example, Dungeon Siege 3 needed to be a Dungeon Siege game and not suddenly a FPS or a more traditional RPG game like KOTOR.

    The same with Aspyr, there is a pre defined story that the KOTOR remake needs to include and a pre defined way of making of how the game needs to look. KOTOR can't suddenly be a top down RPG for example and because of FF7 Remake I feel they have a good blueprint in how they should handle combat.

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    So I'm assuming they're going to re-hire the VOs? Will they get everyone back or will some character have new VOs?

    And while I get that the combat in KOTOR is a bit stale, I'm a bit concerned about what they will change it into.

    Quote Originally Posted by ati87 View Post
    Using existing IP already placed a major border on what Obsidion could do with there own project.
    Obisidion had to work on what was previously released for example, Dungeon Siege 3 needed to be a Dungeon Siege game and not suddenly a FPS or a more traditional RPG game like KOTOR.
    Funny that you would mention Dungeon Siege 3, which was panned for straying too far from the Dungeon Siege-formula (amongst other issues).
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    Quote Originally Posted by ati87 View Post
    Using existing IP already placed a major border on what Obsidion could do with there own project.
    Obisidion had to work on what was previously released for example, Dungeon Siege 3 needed to be a Dungeon Siege game and not suddenly a FPS or a more traditional RPG game like KOTOR.

    The same with Aspyr, there is a pre defined story that the KOTOR remake needs to include and a pre defined way of making of how the game needs to look. KOTOR can't suddenly be a top down RPG for example and because of FF7 Remake I feel they have a good blueprint in how they should handle combat.
    Yes, but Obsidian still built the games themselves. This shouldn't be difficult to understand. The certain guidelines they may have, do (depends on the deal they make, I believe) restrict what they can do, yes, but they still have to do all the coding and create the assets and shit. And depending on what kind of deal you have, possibly the story as well.

    To use a somewhat clumsy analogy, Obsidian built a house (game) using an existing template (IP). They had an idea what the finished product should look like, but they still had to start from an empty plot, that would eventually become a building. Aspyr then re-arranged the furniture, or did some renovation, but was never part in constructing the building. Aspyr worked with an existing building that was already fully livable, and functional. They just refurbished it suit other needs (platforms).

    So, yeah. You can't compare the two.

    Also, Dungeon Siege 3 is not a good example.

    Dungeon Siege III was announced in June 2010 as the first main entry in the series not to be developed by Gas Powered Games following a purchase of the rights to the series by Square Enix earlier that year. The game was instead developed by Obsidian Entertainment with Chris Taylor, the inventor of the Dungeon Siege franchise, serving as an adviser. The game received mixed reviews by critics who praised the game's mechanics and graphics, especially the character models. Opinions about the story, replay value and multiplayer system were mixed on the other hand.

    So yeah. In this example, they certainly could have turned Dungeon Siege 3 into an FPS. They had the the rights to it (or rather, Square Enix did, as they now owned the IP, but they could have made the decision to turn the game into whatever). The original inventor was brought as an advisor, but they could have just ignored him and tell him to get bent.
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  11. #171
    I really hope they add more companions to KOTOR 1 and options like in SWTOR to kill your companions.. except earlier in the game like Juhani
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  12. #172
    This for sure will be a game I'll have to take a wait and see approach. One of the writers not being a fan of Kotor definitely gives me pause, and liking the sequel trilogy is a huge red flag.

  13. #173
    Quote Originally Posted by Jotaux View Post
    This for sure will be a game I'll have to take a wait and see approach. One of the writers not being a fan of Kotor definitely gives me pause, and liking the sequel trilogy is a huge red flag.
    Based on what I'm seeing is that mostly right-wingers, the defenders of "freedom of speech", who kind of hate women are hating on one of the writers.
    https://cosmicbook.news/star-wars-wo...epublic-remake

    KOTOR unless you played it when it was first released hasn't really aged well.

    People are passing judgment on something based on a announcement and the fact that one of the writers is a women. THis is kind of pathetic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ati87 View Post
    Based on what I'm seeing is that mostly right-wingers, the defenders of "freedom of speech", who kind of hate women are hating on one of the writers.
    https://cosmicbook.news/star-wars-wo...epublic-remake

    KOTOR unless you played it when it was first released hasn't really aged well.

    People are passing judgment on something based on a announcement and the fact that one of the writers is a women. THis is kind of pathetic.
    Yeah, I tried looking this up the other day. I couldn't find any more information other than her being a part of the team - no mention of her being a head writer. Some reddit posts bemoaned how she liked the new trilogy (therefore she must have bad taste /s) as proof of her "evils". But it's most likely as you said, the fact that she is a woman (and an outspoken one) that created this narrative.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dezerte View Post
    Yeah, I tried looking this up the other day. I couldn't find any more information other than her being a part of the team - no mention of her being a head writer. Some reddit posts bemoaned how she liked the new trilogy (therefore she must have bad taste /s) as proof of her "evils". But it's most likely as you said, the fact that she is a woman (and an outspoken one) that created this narrative.
    Not even sure she is saying that she liked the new trilogie (I didn't).
    But at the very least what she is saying that if anything, the new star wars trilogy isn't a bad movie because the main character is a bloody women.

    It's mostly the moral justice warriors finding something to be bitching about really, we have no idea what kind of assignment the developer got from Disney in how to handle this remake and what we have seen is a bloody cartoon with the voice over.
    We have no idea of the history of this developer (outside there ports) so you can't really judge based on there history.

    But then again, I fully expect that the moral justice warriors will find any and all reasons to bitch about anything really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dezerte View Post
    Yeah, I tried looking this up the other day. I couldn't find any more information other than her being a part of the team - no mention of her being a head writer. Some reddit posts bemoaned how she liked the new trilogy (therefore she must have bad taste /s) as proof of her "evils". But it's most likely as you said, the fact that she is a woman (and an outspoken one) that created this narrative.
    I didn’t know anything about the writer but a quick google search brought up the info. She’s just on the writing team, not really in a position of authority. She definitely hates kotor, loves the sequels and cries misogyny if anyone says anything bad about the sequels. This is a case of if you dislike this one woman you must hate all women.

  17. #177
    Quote Originally Posted by Jotaux View Post
    I didn’t know anything about the writer but a quick google search brought up the info. She’s just on the writing team, not really in a position of authority. She definitely hates kotor, loves the sequels and cries misogyny if anyone says anything bad about the sequels. This is a case of if you dislike this one woman you must hate all women.
    I found a tweet that asked her what her favorite Star Wars game was and her response was "not KOTOR". Is that hate? I guess to some. I also saw that she was a head writer on the Ratchet & Clank game from 2021, which scored pretty well on in reviews. I'm not trying to defend her, some of her tweets are a mess and hyperbolic, but it does seem like she can write. I'm not expecting people to like her or not be sceptical, but some of the posts we've seen go way too far (which I think you'll agree on).

    I'm more concerned about what they'll do to the gameplay. Sure, the original gameplay wasn't great but it worked well for it's time I think. I'm hoping it doesn't turn into anything to action-oriented.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dezerte View Post
    I found a tweet that asked her what her favorite Star Wars game was and her response was "not KOTOR". Is that hate? I guess to some. I also saw that she was a head writer on the Ratchet & Clank game from 2021, which scored pretty well on in reviews. I'm not trying to defend her, some of her tweets are a mess and hyperbolic, but it does seem like she can write. I'm not expecting people to like her or not be sceptical, but some of the posts we've seen go way too far (which I think you'll agree on).

    I'm more concerned about what they'll do to the gameplay. Sure, the original gameplay wasn't great but it worked well for it's time I think. I'm hoping it doesn't turn into anything to action-oriented.
    Well I'm kind of hoping that it does turn more action oriented, hopefully a bit like FF7 Remake in terms of combat.
    We aren't facing the same limitations as when the game first got released so why hold back on the remake? Make the worlds bigger, give us more to do and deepen the story. Personally I always felt that Koriban was kind of "short" but a really interesting arc overal.
    Combat obv was always kind of action oriented, sure it was turn based but not in the traditional way but even for it's time it was a bit more action then the regular RPG's.

  19. #179
    Quote Originally Posted by ati87 View Post
    Well I'm kind of hoping that it does turn more action oriented, hopefully a bit like FF7 Remake in terms of combat.
    We aren't facing the same limitations as when the game first got released so why hold back on the remake? Make the worlds bigger, give us more to do and deepen the story. Personally I always felt that Koriban was kind of "short" but a really interesting arc overal.
    Combat obv was always kind of action oriented, sure it was turn based but not in the traditional way but even for it's time it was a bit more action then the regular RPG's.
    I haven't played FF7 Remake, but based on what I've seen in combat gameplay videos I don't know if I like it (e.g. dodge/rolling wouldn't fit in KOTOR I think). Not opposed against bigger worlds, more story, characters etc though - I'm not really a "puritan" in that sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dezerte View Post
    I haven't played FF7 Remake, but based on what I've seen in combat gameplay videos I don't know if I like it (e.g. dodge/rolling wouldn't fit in KOTOR I think). Not opposed against bigger worlds, more story, characters etc though - I'm not really a "puritan" in that sense.
    It's a star wars game though, I mean parry, blocking blasters and moving faster then regular non jedi is kind of a jedi thing.
    If you judge KOTOR based on the merits of when it was first released the combat alone blew my mind because it looked like a action oriented even though it was a turn based system.
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