Covenants arent that bad as you think

[kuhntasmash]

Ignoring the Soulbind, I actually assumed that an obvious thing to help balance out the Convenant abilities via conduits.

Divine Toll kind of does this, adding a chance of single target burst into a stereotypical aoe ability.

Add some give and take to the editing of the ability
Vampire Demon hunter sinful brand, add a conduit that allows it to hit 2 other targets for a % of damage, but lower the duration. Not saying it is a great example, just points the direction I thought they were gonna go.

[Makabreska]

Covenants are far worse than you think. Here's why - start playing Necrolord Demon Hunter, Necrolord Holy/Prot Paladin, Night Fae Shadow Priest. Then try actually good covenants with those specs, and tell me again how covenants are not failure.

All covs are very close to each other for spriests.

[Squigglyo]

Im mostly just pissed i either need to play 4 alts (all the same armor type) if I want to unlock everything for my main.

I just want to do the actual game content on my main.
I want to see the other 3 stories.
I want to play with the 3 other 'features'.

Its stupid that if I want to unlock all transmogs, all achievements, all stories, etc I need to power through a rediculous amount of characters.

[Aleksej89]

Some classes have really boring covenant abilities like mages.
Many of them dont even make sense for the class they are supposedly designed for.

A lot of them are poorly balanced and are either OP mandatory or almost never worth using.
For example the priest bastion class ability is weird as heck and even its implementation is awkward.

For some reason a lot of covenant class abilities for healer classes require the healer to be in tight melee range with the players he needs to heal - which is kinda the opposite of what healers do (unless paladin healer due to their mastery).

[RainEls]

Would still they rather be cosmetic only.

[The One Percent]

What's your PvP rating? How far into mythic Nathria are you, have you at least cleared heroic? Got your +15 keystone mount yet?

Sure, covenants don't matter if you just do world quests, pet battles, and lfr.

[ldev]

lol. You are such a cringey loser. Imagine injecting politics into everything including a random disagreement on the internet about a video game.

Covenants are pretty eh but it completely depends on your class. I'm sorta glad Venthyr is actually pretty good for Warrior in Arena since it's best for PvE. Likewise Necrolord for DKs.

Hey ho, muricans awake, still butthurt about trumpsie

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All covenants are very close together for spriest, and by most accounts nightfae is considered to be slightly ahead the other three, not sure what you're on about

Edit: For pve. Venthyr is by far the best pvp one, thats true.

I'm sorry, you think an ability that increases insanity generation slightly for a while and does fuck all is fun? Compared to ascension? Over 10k instant crits in pvp + 10k heal + 50% sprint? But heyyyyy they sim equally, NO PROBLEM AT ALL LOL.

Yes problem, boi, people are not picking the covenant because ability is shit. That's the whole point - no amount of number tuning will change the fact that some covenants are shit and will be shit for WHOLE EXPANSION.

Jesus, the fuck is wrong with you people and your "numbers" mentality?

[Drusin]

you'll just fine.

No one cares about "fine" they want the best, always have and always will.

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Would still they rather be cosmetic only.

Same same same

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Its stupid that if I want to unlock all transmogs, all achievements, all stories, etc I need to power through a rediculous amount of characters.

*thinking cap*

Can you use another Covenants transmog even if you unlocked it on that character? I want to say no but I'm not sure

[Katchii]

I'm sorry, you think an ability that increases insanity generation slightly for a while and does fuck all is fun? Compared to ascension? Over 10k instant crits in pvp + 10k heal + 50% sprint? But heyyyyy they sim equally, NO PROBLEM AT ALL LOL.

Yes problem, boi, people are not picking the covenant because ability is shit. That's the whole point - no amount of number tuning will change the fact that some covenants are shit and will be shit for WHOLE EXPANSION.

Jesus, the fuck is wrong with you people and your "numbers" mentality?

So your argument is based on what you find fun and not on the numbers?

That's a hugely subjective argument, and therefore you'll never find a consensus, making it a pointless discussion IMO. At least the numbers game can be objectively discussed.

Additionally, I'm sure some folks chose their covenant based on the story and setting and whatnot of that covenant rather than the ability provided. I know I did.

But regardless, at least for some classes as I can't speak for all of them, the difference in class performance for each of the covenants seems to be really close, making the whole thing Blizz was saying "pick the one you want because you want to" seem mostly true. You'll be able to be successful with any of the choices.

Not necessarily going to call it a "win," but it's at the very least a "mission accomplished" on Blizzards part.

[Warferno]

Venthyr ability on warlocks is so bad I don't even use it most of the time. I was fine with small disparity between covenants but this honestly sucks.

Why is there zero tuning!?

[Pratt]

I'm just annoyed that I have to redo the covenant campaign on alts. There should be a skip like how threads lets you skip the main campaign.

[Makabreska]

Venthyr ability on warlocks is so bad I don't even use it most of the time. I was fine with small disparity between covenants but this honestly sucks.

Why is there zero tuning!?

Because if they start to tune now, the player-base will start raging that they are "forced" to switch covs and grind renown. Duh!

They said the big balancing will be done with content patches.

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I'm just annoyed that I have to redo the covenant campaign on alts. There should be a skip like how threads lets you skip the main campaign.

Ye, this and Torghast grind are big issues when it comes to alts. Pretty sure it's gonna be addressed in the future.

[Exeris]

lol. You are such a cringey loser. Imagine injecting politics into everything including a random disagreement on the internet about a video game.

Covenants are pretty eh but it completely depends on your class. I'm sorta glad Venthyr is actually pretty good for Warrior in Arena since it's best for PvE. Likewise Necrolord for DKs.

I joined Venthyr on my destro lock, biggest mistake I did in SL.

My Venthyr arms warrior is loving it though.

[Makabreska]

Im mostly just pissed i either need to play 4 alts (all the same armor type) if I want to unlock everything for my main.

I just want to do the actual game content on my main.
I want to see the other 3 stories.
I want to play with the 3 other 'features'.

Its stupid that if I want to unlock all transmogs, all achievements, all stories, etc I need to power through a rediculous amount of characters.

I mean, same thing happened in Legion. Wanted to witness class campaigns? Go do them on each class character. Such is a life of completionists.

[ldev]

That's a hugely subjective argument, and therefore you'll never find a consensus, making it a pointless discussion IMO. At least the numbers game can be objectively discussed.

Additionally, I'm sure some folks chose their covenant based on the story and setting and whatnot of that covenant rather than the ability provided. I know I did.

But regardless, at least for some classes as I can't speak for all of them, the difference in class performance for each of the covenants seems to be really close, making the whole thing Blizz was saying "pick the one you want because you want to" seem mostly true. You'll be able to be successful with any of the choices.

Not necessarily going to call it a "win," but it's at the very least a "mission accomplished" on Blizzards part.

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Hey, NF priest, highest covenant in sims AND warcraft logs has whopping 8.5% popularity - https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/st...s&difficulty=4

Hey.

Hey.

Subjective my fucking ass, are you really too stupid to see that NF priest ability is shit? It's the best in numbers and still only minority picks it (even in fucking mythic raids, where it's twice as popular as in normal, STILL A MINORITY). Subjective he says lol.

[glowpipe]

This is utterly false and has been debunked.

this has been proven several times. For almost all classes there is a top coven with like 50-75% player representation. And the others are down to 20 and all the way down to 1.8! And thats obviously like that because they are super balanced and not 1 coven are significantly stronger then the others right ? /s

[GreenJesus]

Really now. How about you bring up some more recent posts, which show that some specs overwhelmingly prefer a specific Covenant, to the point where other 3 might not even exist? Even in the case where the Covenants seems equally valued, it can also mean that they're all equally bad (or 'meh' at best) and largely don't matter - pretty much a case for non-Disc priests. There's more than one class where it feels like devs only tested Covenants for one spec, made it kinda-sorta work for others and thought they did a fine job.

What's funny is that those covenant popularity stats are roughly the same across all raiding difficulties. Sure, on Normal, there's slightly less min maxing, but it's still present to a huge degree. So it's not "just 1% of hardcore players will do it", but vastly more widespread.

Also, just because it's not a complete disaster doesn't mean it's working well.
Massive performance hits affect people across all difficulty levels and content types. Not to the point where they'd constantly switch Covenants, but they'll prefer to pick "the best" one. Even in normal difficulty raids, which should be fairly casual - but "casual" doesn't mean "I don't mind doing far less damage/having incredibly awkward ability instead of a good one".

If priests are going to do ANY pvp at all, not choosing Mind Games is literally trolling.

[Sluvs]

Or everyone with 2 braincells understands they wont fundamentally change it anymore and its a waste of time complaining.

Oh yeah, because this is what this community is known for, level headed thinking.

[Xalvia]

Such an insane rage about Covs before release, and almost complete radio silence after. release Shows you how much it actually affected player base. Same with AoE cap.

no, because they reacted to the feedback and actually nerfed covenants to the ground so it doesn't really matter anymore.

[Makabreska]

Subjective my fucking ass, are you really too stupid to see that NF priest ability is shit? It's the best in numbers and still only minority picks it (even in fucking mythic raids, where it's twice as popular as in normal, STILL A MINORITY). Subjective he says lol.

From the IcyVeins Spriest guide, made by Publik: "The current system is only about a ~2% DPS swing based on your Covenant Choice, do not feel pressured to pick a certain Covenant, each one can perform to a high degree in all forms of content."

Two problems with you:

1. You fixate on class ability alone, "forgetting" that you got entire Soulbinds behind them. Why so many went for Kyrian on Beta? Because Pelagos was strong af.

2. You are also failing (or pretend to fail) to realize, that vast majority of players will see that one cov is 2% better, and will instantly pick it, disregarding everything else. Because this is how players work. One option is DPS gain, regardless of margin? They will pick it.

Oh, and INB4 "lol IcyVeins".

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no, because they reacted to the feedback and actually nerfed covenants to the ground so it doesn't really matter anymore.

Well, it does matter, according to many in this thread.