View Poll Results: Would you support Sylvanas Windrunner if you still had the choice?

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  • Yes, I would support Sylvanas

    132 37.08%
  • No, I would not support Sylvanas

    198 55.62%
  • Other / Not sure / It's complicated

    26 7.30%
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  1. #301
    Quote Originally Posted by Broken Fox View Post
    She will probably stick around and turn into zombie Kerrigan

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    lmao you missed the point I think
    She IS a zombie Kerrigan by now. They can however make same mistake... again and try to make her into an "angel" and force everyone to forgive her. Or even worse - kill Tyrande to show that "revensh bad".

    Best way forward is just throw some "she is dead but Shadowlands now fixed so she dosent go to the Maw"... Keeps her fans from floating in bathtubs and causing some US officials/the moms of said floaters from suing Blizz and harming WoW's reputation for years to come (since they DID sent suicide threats to Blizz before) and keeps other players from smashing their faces flat with facepalms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Th3Scourge View Post
    Yes, because the lore in this game is so far down the shitter thanks to the bald-headed fuck Steve Danuser that who cares. I hope Sylvanas ends it all and takes us all with her
    So... you want Sylvanas, Danuser's waifu, the root of all that conundrum and the cause of WoW going down the shitter to "end it" because WoW is in the shitter? Logic not found, please try again.

    Also, WoW cant "end" , at least not in this decade so better not encourage Blizz to put more of shit into it while it still going.

  2. #302
    Quote Originally Posted by VladlTutushkin View Post
    So... you want Sylvanas, Danuser's waifu, the root of all that conundrum and the cause of WoW going down the shitter to "end it" because WoW is in the shitter? Logic not found, please try again.

    Also, WoW cant "end" , at least not in this decade so better not encourage Blizz to put more of shit into it while it still going.
    Learn to read

    the lore in this game is so far down the shitter

  3. #303
    Quote Originally Posted by VladlTutushkin View Post
    She IS a zombie Kerrigan by now. They can however make same mistake... again and try to make her into an "angel" and force everyone to forgive her. Or even worse - kill Tyrande to show that "revensh bad".
    Are you sure you're talking about Sylvanas there? Because Blizzard has shown her as anything but. It's her fans that claim she can do no wrong, Blizzard so far seems content portraying her as an unrepentant massmurderer who might also be stuck in a sunk cost fallacy.

  4. #304
    Quote Originally Posted by huth View Post
    Are you sure you're talking about Sylvanas there? Because Blizzard has shown her as anything but. It's her fans that claim she can do no wrong, Blizzard so far seems content portraying her as an unrepentant massmurderer who might also be stuck in a sunk cost fallacy.
    I dont think so, since even Anduin who often acts as a “mouthpiece” of writers says that there is still good in her (somehow). Generally speaking i think they ARE trying to make us sympathise with her... To pave a road for “redemption”.

  5. #305
    Quote Originally Posted by OwenBurton View Post
    Sylvanas is attempting to remake reality, not destroy it entirely. And some female players seem to admire Sylvanas, something about a very strong and "independent" character and leader who suffered tremendous trauma, yet is now trying to forge her own destiny. That being said, I just don't know how they can end Sylvanas and her story in a way that satisfies everyone -- it is just not possible.
    I mean she's not trying to forge her own destiny, she's trying to change EVERYTHING from the ground up on her own selfish beliefs that she's let noone in on up until this point. Imagine if oh... i dunno.. she conversed and corresponded with her fellow horde leaders and even the alliance leaders on some level about the intelligence she supposedly has and whatnot. Rather than genociding night elves and her own people and the horde. I feel like maybe a strong independent woman would do that rather than trying to kill everyone. But maybe i'm wrong.

    Anyone who idolizes her at this point is a sycophant.

  6. #306
    Quote Originally Posted by huth View Post
    Are you sure you're talking about Sylvanas there? Because Blizzard has shown her as anything but. It's her fans that claim she can do no wrong, Blizzard so far seems content portraying her as an unrepentant massmurderer who might also be stuck in a sunk cost fallacy.
    i always see these accusations but i've never seen anyone claim that sylvanas is some kind of angel. everyone knows she's an asshole. she's just a popular one cause everyone else in this story are such bozos.

  7. #307
    Quote Originally Posted by StaeleAilar View Post
    I mean she's not trying to forge her own destiny, she's trying to change EVERYTHING from the ground up on her own selfish beliefs that she's let noone in on up until this point. Imagine if oh... i dunno.. she conversed and corresponded with her fellow horde leaders and even the alliance leaders on some level about the intelligence she supposedly has and whatnot. Rather than genociding night elves and her own people and the horde. I feel like maybe a strong independent woman would do that rather than trying to kill everyone. But maybe i'm wrong.

    Anyone who idolizes her at this point is a sycophant.
    Although I do not agree with them necessarily, some that argue Arthas and Sylvanas are the most popular characters -- in the entire franchise, arguably.
    "Always you speak. Never do you listen! You ignore the lessons of Pandaria! You see, there is balance in all things. Wisdom etched in our very fur: Black and white. Darkness and light. When the last emperor hid our land from the rest of the world, he also preserved...our ancient enemy, the mantid. So it is with your Alliance and your Horde. They are not strong despite one another; they are strong BECAUSE of one another. You mistake your greatest strength for weakness. Do you see this?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by OwenBurton View Post
    Although I do not agree with them necessarily, some that argue Arthas and Sylvanas are the most popular characters -- in the entire franchise, arguably.
    I mean Arthas is literally the face of Warcraft
    The Alliance gets the Horde's most popular race. The Horde should get the Alliance's most popular race in return. Alteraci Humans for the Horde!

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  9. #309
    Quote Originally Posted by Broken Fox View Post
    i always see these accusations but i've never seen anyone claim that sylvanas is some kind of angel. everyone knows she's an asshole. she's just a popular one cause everyone else in this story are such bozos.
    You haven't seen people say she's got some sort of plan to help everybody and is really the good one in the story?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ardenaso View Post
    I mean Arthas is literally the face of Warcraft
    No, he's not. Not even close. He only had importance in WC3 and WotLK, he's completely irrelevant to most of the rest of the story, and by now you can probably find people playing the game for years who don't even know who he is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by huth View Post
    He only had importance in WC3 and WotLK, he's completely irrelevant to most of the rest of the story, and by now you can probably find people playing the game for years who don't even know who he is.
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    I would 100% support tossing that bitch into a celestial woodchipper. Such a garbage character.
    Quote Originally Posted by Adoxe View Post
    If anyone still believes Sylvanas is responsible, you've not been paying attention.

  12. #312
    I was a huge Sylvanas fan in Vanilla.
    To me her story was done after Wrath.
    The "retcon" of her character after Wrath just to keep the WOW franchise going forever is where she was no longer "Sylvanas" to me.

    I supported her in BFA because Blizz obviously didn't want us to, and I hated their BFA story so I did it out of spite.

  13. #313
    I wouldn't be surprised if an lgbt person was behind the Sylvanas story because I relate to her inner conflicts in a major way.

  14. #314
    Quote Originally Posted by Martymark View Post
    I was a huge Sylvanas fan in Vanilla.
    To me her story was done after Wrath.
    The "retcon" of her character after Wrath just to keep the WOW franchise going forever is where she was no longer "Sylvanas" to me.

    I supported her in BFA because Blizz obviously didn't want us to, and I hated their BFA story so I did it out of spite.
    And you sent them (read Danuser) a message - “You did great boiiis, do more of the same crap and it will go well!” Because they WANTED you to support her to make hamming in the “redemption story” in Shadowlands easier. What a tool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuzzylogic111 View Post
    I wouldn't be surprised if an lgbt person was behind the Sylvanas story because I relate to her inner conflicts in a major way.
    I dont want to say anything but her “conflict” is basically “use the fact that i was abused to abuse everybody else in worse ways”.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuzzylogic111 View Post
    I wouldn't be surprised if an lgbt person was behind the Sylvanas story because I relate to her inner conflicts in a major way.
    Doubt it. If an lgbt person was in charge of Sylvanas' story we'd have that sweet romance with Jaina and no turning SYlvanas into a villain.
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  16. #316
    Quote Originally Posted by VladlTutushkin View Post
    And you sent them (read Danuser) a message - “You did great boiiis, do more of the same crap and it will go well!” Because they WANTED you to support her to make hamming in the “redemption story” in Shadowlands easier. What a tool.
    Actually I cancelled my 15 year account midway through BFA, and never plan to give Actiblizzion a single cent until the day I die. So I don't really care if they get a message from that or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by huth View Post
    You haven't seen people say she's got some sort of plan to help everybody and is really the good one in the story?

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    No, he's not. Not even close. He only had importance in WC3 and WotLK, he's completely irrelevant to most of the rest of the story, and by now you can probably find people playing the game for years who don't even know who he is.
    The story has become irrelevant since WOTLK.

    Like it or not, Arthas (and Frostmourne) is the centerpiece of Warcraft lore, strongly based on the legend of King Arthur and Excalibur as we all know.

    Since his defeat, Blizzard has tried a bunch of things to get people interested into other aspects of WoW lore. But never with the same level of success.

    WoTLK was the pinnacle of WoW and in it's glory had more subs than Blizzard has ever achieved.

    Blizzard has tried repeatedly to move Alliance lore focus from Arthas to Anduin over the last decade, but Anduin is just not a strong enough character to take it up. Maybe Anduin will finally get a strong hero's journey in Shadowlands and be the leader Alliance needs and Blizzard wants him to be. Right now Anduin is still a puppet being controlled by stronger Alliance characters like Turalyon, Alleria, Jaina.

    Regarding Horde - Blizzard has butchered Horde Lore over and over again since destroying Garrosh and now Sylvanas character. What Arthas did to Sylvanas was unforgivable. Yet people have moved on from it and have turned on Sylvanas for burning the World Tree.

    People seem to have conveniently forgotten or might be too young remember how Ranger General Sylvanas was refused help by the Alliance and the Night Elves when the Lich King and the Undead Scourge invaded Silvermoon in spite of the help Silvermoon had sent earlier to the Alliance in the form of Alleria and her rangers when Alleria went to help Turalyon against the Horde.

    She stood alone against Arthas and got destroyed. Arthas stripped her soul out of her body and turned her into a banshee torturing her over and over again for sheer pleasure.

    So how do we compare the fall of Silvermoon with the fall of the World Tree. It is true that one genocide doesn't excuse another. But her hatred for night elves is very well justified.
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  18. #318
    Quote Originally Posted by VladlTutushkin View Post



    I dont want to say anything but her “conflict” is basically “use the fact that i was abused to abuse everybody else in worse ways”.
    I appreciate that the premise of the thing + the result of the thing can define the thing. But I think the thing is it's own thing.

    Was i really not in control? Was I capable of doing right? Am I capable, even now? These are the things.

  19. #319
    Quote Originally Posted by Fayenoor View Post
    People seem to have conveniently forgotten or might be too young remember how Ranger General Sylvanas was refused help by the Alliance and the Night Elves when the Lich King and the Undead Scourge invaded Silvermoon in spite of the help Silvermoon had sent earlier to the Alliance in the form of Alleria and her rangers when Alleria went to help Turalyon against the Horde.

    She stood alone against Arthas and got destroyed. Arthas stripped her soul out of her body and turned her into a banshee torturing her over and over again for sheer pleasure.

    So how do we compare the fall of Silvermoon with the fall of the World Tree. It is true that one genocide doesn't excuse another. But her hatred for night elves is very well justified.
    You’ll have to forgive me here as it has been a very, very, very long time since I last played WC3 but when living Sylvanas defended Silvermoon against Arthas and the Scourge weren’t the Night Elves somewhat hidden away on Kalimdor and unaware of what was happening at that point? I admit I might be very wrong here but wouldn’t it have been impossible for Silvermoon at that point to have even requested help from the Night Elves, much less have them refuse to help?
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  20. #320
    I wouldn't even support her when we ostensibly had the choice. Not that I play the worst faction in the game, the one she lead.

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