Would you support Sylvanas Windrunner if you still had the choice?

[VladlTutushkin]

Sylvanas is attempting to remake reality, not destroy it entirely. And some female players seem to admire Sylvanas, something about a very strong and "independent" character and leader who suffered tremendous trauma, yet is now trying to forge her own destiny. That being said, I just don't know how they can end Sylvanas and her story in a way that satisfies everyone -- it is just not possible.

Entire Alliance and half the Horde > her cringy fanclub of edgelords and weird, weird women who dont really understand that her character is a stand in for "abusive partner who makes you love them and then uses that bond for their own benefit".

[Raisei]

Sylvanas is attempting to remake reality, not destroy it entirely. And some female players seem to admire Sylvanas, something about a very strong and "independent" character and leader who suffered tremendous trauma, yet is now trying to forge her own destiny. That being said, I just don't know how they can end Sylvanas and her story in a way that satisfies everyone -- it is just not possible.

Remaking it on the fundamental level she speaks of is effectively destroying OUR reality and it will subjugate all of reality under her (and the Jailers) thumb, making them in essence creator gods with the power to do and change what and whoever they like.

About the Jailer we know not much beyond the fact that he build a tower exclusively to torture souls for all eternity and we know that Sylvanas is a psychopathic monster without any morals that only acts for her own ends and does not give a shit about anybody else. I would not trust these two to rule an ant hill, let alone reality itself.

If as you say, female players admire her or take her as a role model... they really need to look somewhere else. You know who also is a strong character that suffered tremendous trauma, but has not become a sociopathic monster because of it? Jaina.

Sylvanas is not worthy of any adoration, she just uses her trauma as an excuse to kill and destroy with impunity.

[VladlTutushkin]

Remaking it on the fundamental level she speaks of is effectively destroying OUR reality and it will subjugate all of reality under her (and the Jailers) thumb, making them in essence creator gods with the power to do and change what and whoever they like.

About the Jailer we know not much beyond the fact that he build a tower exclusively to torture souls for all eternity and we know that Sylvanas is a psychopathic monster without any morals that only acts for her own ends and does not give a shit about anybody else. I would not trust these two to rule an ant hill, let alone reality itself.

If as you say, female players admire her or take her as a role model... they really need to look somewhere else. You know who also is a strong character that suffered tremendous trauma, but has not become a sociopathic monster because of it? Jaina.

Sylvanas is not worthy of any adoration, she just uses her trauma as an excuse to kill and destroy with impunity.

After all that talk that kinda reminds me of Eren from Attack on Titan and his “I will save my people by literally flattening whole world into mush by Titans and killing all other nations.”

With key difference being that he actually was a good character and had a well thought of development arc while Sylvanas was always a pile of “strong whamen” tropes mixed with emo/edgy themes and topped with plot armor to “make Alliance pussies seethe” which amused horde fans and developers alike.

[geco]

Lol at the people who claim they want to side with Sylvanas to be the villain.

Even though a villain would never remain loyal to someone who doesn't care about them, i.e. to someone who doesn't benefit them in any way.

And Sylvanas clearly doesn't benefit the player since she considers him nothing.

As usual Sylvanas fanboys forget/misinterpret the story crafted by Blizzard, so that's nothing new.

Well the Alliance and Horde wouldn't side with the Player either.

[Broken Fox]

Yeah. She's more fun than all those other dweebs.

[VladlTutushkin]

Yeah. She's more fun than all those other dweebs.

Only because nobody else is allowed to be “fun”. She is like a parasite, sucking away life from whole organism and thriving. If not for biases and obsessions of writers WoW would have being a much better game.

[Verdugo]

Only because nobody else is allowed to be “fun”. She is like a parasite, sucking away life from whole organism and thriving. If not for biases and obsessions of writers WoW would have being a much better game.

That would be Anduin, not Sylvanas. At worst Sylvanas only saps inteligence out of everyone around her. Anduin straight up turns them into grey blobs.

[VladlTutushkin]

That would be Anduin, not Sylvanas. At worst Sylvanas only saps inteligence out of everyone around her. Anduin straight up turns them into grey blobs.

Her titanium plot armor and waifu status plus arrogance of Danuser did as much harm as Anduin’s peacenick tendencies.

[Verdugo]

Her titanium plot armor and waifu status plus arrogance of Danuser did as much harm as Anduin’s peacenick tendencies.

Soon she will be gone permanently and Anduin’s satelites will lead every playable faction. Then it will be too late to complain.

[VladlTutushkin]

Soon she will be gone permanently and Anduin’s satelites will lead every playable faction. Then it will be too late to complain.

As long as she’s gone its already half the cancer purged. Anduin can eventually change if writers want more edgy stuff but she cant evolve into anything palatable.

[Talrath]

Imagine, a person completely follows a leader without question, being part of a genocidal campaign against a different race where the survivers are being used as bow practise, the veterans go against this act and they get ousted by this leader and get imprisoned, also part of a massacre of a large town where people are getting spiked against walls, then the leader says infront of everyone that they are all useless and nothing to her, the leader breaks reality itself by braking the helm of damnation which makes the scourge uncontrollable where many people die aswell, the person finds out that the leader is in league with basically the jailor (satan so to speak). (AND IM ONLY TALKING FROM WHAT HAPPEND IN BFA!!!)

If the above still makes you think that the person is sane for still following her, well then it means you are completely simping on her, just like others. Hoping that under the hard corpse there is a sweet summer child. Yes people sympathise with arthas because it wasnt really him, he got manipulated and eventually he became something entirely else, the guy couldnt catch a break. But sylvanis, every action was because she decided it on her own. She is an unstable mental crazy bitch that needs to be cut down as soon as possible, and i hope that garrosh cuts her head off while also saying these iconic words: Watch your clever mouth, bitch.

[Verdugo]

As long as she’s gone its already half the cancer purged. Anduin can eventually change if writers want more edgy stuff but she cant evolve into anything palatable.

If they want more edgy stuff they will make another character edgy, not the embodiment of non toxic masculinity. Anduin is here to stay and spread his cancerous growth like an out of control old god.

[Soon-TM]

If they want more edgy stuff they will make another character edgy, not the embodiment of toxic masculinity. Anduin is here to stay and spread his cancerous growth like an out of control old god.

It would be hilarious if they turned Andy into a Benedictus 2.0... But given how fond the current writing team is of him, I guess we're SoL in that regard

[Syegfryed]

That would be Anduin, not Sylvanas. At worst Sylvanas only saps inteligence out of everyone around her. Anduin straight up turns them into grey blobs.

haha, you can't be serious, the whole bfa is a dumb plot point that make no sense whatsoever, if she was intelligent she would have won the war

[Broken Fox]

As long as she’s gone its already half the cancer purged. Anduin can eventually change if writers want more edgy stuff but she cant evolve into anything palatable.

She will probably stick around and turn into zombie Kerrigan

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haha, you can't be serious, the whole bfa is a dumb plot point that make no sense whatsoever, if she was intelligent she would have won the war

lmao you missed the point I think

[Th3Scourge]

Yes, because the lore in this game is so far down the shitter thanks to the bald-headed fuck Steve Danuser that who cares. I hope Sylvanas ends it all and takes us all with her

[VladlTutushkin]

She will probably stick around and turn into zombie Kerrigan

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lmao you missed the point I think

She IS a zombie Kerrigan by now. They can however make same mistake... again and try to make her into an "angel" and force everyone to forgive her. Or even worse - kill Tyrande to show that "revensh bad".

Best way forward is just throw some "she is dead but Shadowlands now fixed so she dosent go to the Maw"... Keeps her fans from floating in bathtubs and causing some US officials/the moms of said floaters from suing Blizz and harming WoW's reputation for years to come (since they DID sent suicide threats to Blizz before) and keeps other players from smashing their faces flat with facepalms.

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Yes, because the lore in this game is so far down the shitter thanks to the bald-headed fuck Steve Danuser that who cares. I hope Sylvanas ends it all and takes us all with her

So... you want Sylvanas, Danuser's waifu, the root of all that conundrum and the cause of WoW going down the shitter to "end it" because WoW is in the shitter? Logic not found, please try again.

Also, WoW cant "end" , at least not in this decade so better not encourage Blizz to put more of shit into it while it still going.

[Th3Scourge]

So... you want Sylvanas, Danuser's waifu, the root of all that conundrum and the cause of WoW going down the shitter to "end it" because WoW is in the shitter? Logic not found, please try again.

Also, WoW cant "end" , at least not in this decade so better not encourage Blizz to put more of shit into it while it still going.

Learn to read

the lore in this game is so far down the shitter

[huth]

She IS a zombie Kerrigan by now. They can however make same mistake... again and try to make her into an "angel" and force everyone to forgive her. Or even worse - kill Tyrande to show that "revensh bad".

Are you sure you're talking about Sylvanas there? Because Blizzard has shown her as anything but. It's her fans that claim she can do no wrong, Blizzard so far seems content portraying her as an unrepentant massmurderer who might also be stuck in a sunk cost fallacy.

[VladlTutushkin]

Are you sure you're talking about Sylvanas there? Because Blizzard has shown her as anything but. It's her fans that claim she can do no wrong, Blizzard so far seems content portraying her as an unrepentant massmurderer who might also be stuck in a sunk cost fallacy.

I dont think so, since even Anduin who often acts as a “mouthpiece” of writers says that there is still good in her (somehow). Generally speaking i think they ARE trying to make us sympathise with her... To pave a road for “redemption”.