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  1. #241
    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    Given that the motives for attacking the Capitol were, explicitly, to capture and murder members of Congress, the low death toll is more down to incompetence than a lack of such intent.
    I don't honestly believe that was the motive. It's like when I poke fun at BLM wanting to just loot and commit arson sure a good chunk of them were bad actors but most of them were peaceful protesters.

  2. #242
    Quote Originally Posted by Krakan View Post
    I mean the word death cult really inspires something more drastic then a single event and 2 deaths? I admit I might be missing some minor thing.

    Their goal isn't death it's just a bunch of soccer moms 4chan tricked.
    Wrong, there are now 7 dead from the Capitol insurrection that was inspired and lead by white nationalist groups like the Proud Boys and Qtards. As far as I know, the people of the death cults from the 90s, didn't intend to kill anyone, other than themselves, because they willingly drank the LITERAL Kool-Aid that was poisoned.

    These people are trying to get as many people drinking the bullshit that they have, without providing any evidence that what they believe is true, and led THOUSANDS into that building, so they aren't even fucking close to being the same.

  3. #243
    Quote Originally Posted by Krakan View Post
    Getting 90s flash backs to all those satanic death cults and its about as overblown as that.

    It's just a collection of idoits.
    Qultists are literally the retards who think there are satanic cults controlling the US. You don't get to flip this on it's head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krakan View Post
    I don't honestly believe that was the motive. It's like when I poke fun at BLM wanting to just loot and commit arson sure a good chunk of them were bad actors but most of them were peaceful protesters.
    We have literal video of them telling everyone that was exactly their motive and intent.

    You can't possibly be unaware of this. You're just shilling for murderous fascist terrorists.

    Also, the only reason to "poke fun" at the Black Lives Matter movement is racism.

  5. #245
    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    We have literal video of them telling everyone that was exactly their motive and intent.

    You can't possibly be unaware of this. You're just shilling for murderous fascist terrorists.

    Also, the only reason to "poke fun" at the Black Lives Matter movement is racism.
    In reverse order... there are a lot of reasons to poke fun of BLM. Most of them involve mocking looters.

    As for the whole Qanon thing. To be honest they come across like the rights version of a BLM protest least from a outsider looking in. If they really intended to murder Congress they would of accomplished it from numbers alone. I can agree they are pest and even a danger but I doubt even among them there are many comfortable with violence.

    It's the whole desire to make this more dramatic then it is I poke fun at.

  6. #246
    Quote Originally Posted by Krakan View Post
    In reverse order... there are a lot of reasons to poke fun of BLM. Most of them involve mocking looters.

    As for the whole Qanon thing. To be honest they come across like the rights version of a BLM protest least from a outsider looking in. If they really intended to murder Congress they would of accomplished it from numbers alone. I can agree they are pest and even a danger but I doubt even among them there are many comfortable with violence.

    It's the whole desire to make this more dramatic then it is I poke fun at.
    Yeah, it was no big deal right? They just tried to kill congressmen and women, and the vice president, because they wouldn't overturn the election to the fucking moron that lost it.

    What a load of bullshit.

  7. #247
    Quote Originally Posted by Krakan View Post
    I don't honestly believe that was the motive. It's like when I poke fun at BLM wanting to just loot and commit arson sure a good chunk of them were bad actors but most of them were peaceful protesters.
    They literally openly discussed more violent actions, including kidnapping and death, for weeks beforehand. Hundreds of them were on video discussing engaging in more serious violence, including saying they were coming for politicians or wanted to put a bullet in their head.

    There were pipe bombs placed at DNC/RNC offices and the capitol building, apparently the night before. There were multiple people arrested before the event, trying to bring weapons and ammunition into DC. There were people photographed with weapons inside the capitol. There were people with flex ties in the capitol. They built a make-shift gallows.

    Do you need it signed in triplicate or something?

  8. #248
    Quote Originally Posted by Krakan View Post
    In reverse order... there are a lot of reasons to poke fun of BLM. Most of them involve mocking looters.

    As for the whole Qanon thing. To be honest they come across like the rights version of a BLM protest least from a outsider looking in. If they really intended to murder Congress they would of accomplished it from numbers alone. I can agree they are pest and even a danger but I doubt even among them there are many comfortable with violence.

    It's the whole desire to make this more dramatic then it is I poke fun at.
    And exactly what country are you from?

    Qanon is a group of conspiracy theorists who have spent years spreading outright lies. Full stop.

    Whatever BLM is, and whatever their members did, to compare them is utter absurdity. The Qanon fucktards, and the other violent terrorists at the Capitol Building were seconds away from getting their hands on many politicians. And nobody with any brains thinks that it would have ended any other way than death.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krakan View Post
    I don't honestly believe that was the motive. It's like when I poke fun at BLM wanting to just loot and commit arson sure a good chunk of them were bad actors but most of them were peaceful protesters.
    It doesn't matter what you believe, because we have them on record saying it, and actually trying it.

  9. #249
    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    Given that the motives for attacking the Capitol were, explicitly, to capture and murder members of Congress, the low death toll is more down to incompetence than a lack of such intent.
    I think it's also the inconsequential nature of stupidity. Once they met resistance and people of their own died, they remembered the meaning of the word "conequences" and chickened the hell out of there.

    The real tragedy is that it happened so late. They should have been mowed down on the stairs to the capitol already.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slant View Post
    I think it's also the inconsequential nature of stupidity. Once they met resistance and people of their own died, they remembered the meaning of the word "conequences" and chickened the hell out of there.

    The real tragedy is that it happened so late. They should have been mowed down on the stairs to the capitol already.
    It also explicitly means these people don’t know the meaning of oppressed or disenfranchised. This is an example of privilege, with their oppression being boredom. Something Bannon pointed out was the key to populism, way back in 2015. That boredom is the difference between this:



    and this:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slant View Post
    I think it's also the inconsequential nature of stupidity. Once they met resistance and people of their own died, they remembered the meaning of the word "conequences" and chickened the hell out of there.

    The real tragedy is that it happened so late. They should have been mowed down on the stairs to the capitol already.
    Far be it from me to wish death on anyone, but if the Capitol Police hadn't been hamstrung, they should've been met with enough bodies to resist their push, and enough use of non-lethals like rubber bullets and tear gas to disrupt the gathering at that point. When they tried to pass the barriers below the steps, well before reaching the steps.

    It's a bit much when they use that shit on peaceful protestors, but these chucklefucks weren't peaceful at all, and were shouting about their intent to murder members of Congress in the building in question.

  12. #252
    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    It also explicitly means these people don’t know the meaning of oppressed or disenfranchised. This is an example of privilege, with their oppression being boredom. Something Bannon pointed out was the key to populism, way back in 2015. That boredom is the difference between this:
    That hits the nail on the head, it's what I've been saying for years. Glad someone else points it out, because I keep getting the impression people think I'm dismissive of issues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slant View Post
    That hits the nail on the head, it's what I've been saying for years. Glad someone else points it out, because I keep getting the impression people think I'm dismissive of issues.
    Bannon wrote a book about it... the bored white male playing WoW, is what gave Bannon the epiphany to lead a movement that resulted in Trumpism... by extension, Q it self... it became main stream, when people were stuck at home, due to covid.
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  14. #254
    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    Far be it from me to wish death on anyone, but if the Capitol Police hadn't been hamstrung, they should've been met with enough bodies to resist their push, and enough use of non-lethals like rubber bullets and tear gas to disrupt the gathering at that point. When they tried to pass the barriers below the steps, well before reaching the steps.

    It's a bit much when they use that shit on peaceful protestors, but these chucklefucks weren't peaceful at all, and were shouting about their intent to murder members of Congress in the building in question.
    I agree. When I'm in a less dark mood and think about it, I freely admit that nobody would have had to die. The police just didn't have enough bodies. Very much the same situation to what happened in Berlin in front of the Reichstag. The situation is almost exactly the same, except for us it was anti-mask/corona idiots and for the US... I mean, at least they had a political agenda of sorts. Still criminally insane, but I feel on the stupid scale their cause was slightly less stupid than the Germans.

    And in either case there were not enough policemen to just, present an actual wall of riot shields. And this makes me think about the modern social contract we have in Western democracies. If you look at the societies, it's actually amazing that the countries work, given how few policemen you actually have in the force. There is very much a social contract going on between citizens trying to live by the rules and the state not turning into big brother. This worked amazingly well up until now when somehow a group of people realised... if they push hard enough, it's rather easy to overwhelm the police in certain places.

    This can go two ways: a) the movement just continues to abuse this until they grow up and dwindle away, b) the state remembering that it has a purpose and something to protect and dialing back the soft papertowl appraoch in favour of exercising its monopoly on force so people remember why this social contract existed.

    And I'm very mindful that the vast majority of the population wouldn't mind a few broken bones here and there. Literal heaps of bodies? Nah, not if we can avoid it, but broken bones and bruises can heal.

    Talking about Germany here, I realise in the US the police is the villain no matter what, so they'll have to find their own solution. Probably the national guard or something. Who knows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    Bannon wrote a book about it... the bored white male playing WoW, is what gave Bannon the epiphany to lead a movement that resulted in Trumpism... by extension, Q it self... it became main stream, when people were stuck at home, due to covid.
    Shit, I could've written that book. WoW players were my main reference group as well. :P
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  15. #255
    Qanon isn't a directed organization with a hierarchy for what happened on the 6th january, that shit wasn't planned. Antifa on the other hand, wouldn't be outside their nature to do something like the 6th or worse had Trump won.

  16. #256
    Quote Originally Posted by Ihavewaffles View Post
    Qanon isn't a directed organization with a hierarchy for what happened on the 6th january, that shit wasn't planned.
    *sigh*

    https://www.propublica.org/article/c...e-werent-ready

    Quote Originally Posted by Ihavewaffles View Post
    Antifa on the other hand, wouldn't be outside their nature to do something like the 6th or worse had Trump won.
    "Ignore what ACTUALLY happened, and be worried about what would happen if the OTHER SIDE did what ACTUALLY happened!"

    Naw dog. Not at all. No way. No how. Nuh uh. Nope. Never. Naw. No sir. No ma'am. Not a chance.

  17. #257
    Quote Originally Posted by Ihavewaffles View Post
    Qanon isn't a directed organization with a hierarchy for what happened on the 6th january, that shit wasn't planned. Antifa on the other hand, wouldn't be outside their nature to do something like the 6th or worse had Trump won.
    So, ypu are pushing a Qanon conspiracy theory to defend violen Qanon fucktards who wanted to murder politicians...

  18. #258
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    *sigh*

    https://www.propublica.org/article/c...e-werent-ready



    "Ignore what ACTUALLY happened, and be worried about what would happen if the OTHER SIDE did what ACTUALLY happened!"

    Naw dog. Not at all. No way. No how. Nuh uh. Nope. Never. Naw. No sir. No ma'am. Not a chance.
    Well if Antifa is just an idea then so is qanon. Both groups are retards but at least have some standards edge.

  19. #259
    Quote Originally Posted by DKjaigen View Post
    Well if Antifa is just an idea then so is qanon. Both groups are retards but at least have some standards edge.
    Yo, where does antifa hang out and plan shit? Who are some of the notable names in antifa?

  20. #260
    Quote Originally Posted by DKjaigen View Post
    Well if Antifa is just an idea then so is qanon. Both groups are retards but at least have some standards edge.
    Correct. They’re just ideas. And I didn’t see a bunch of Qanon shitheads invade the capitol.

    What I did see was a bunch of conservative racist shitheads, some of whom were organized, invade the capitol. These people were extremely shitty before Qanon and they’ll be shitty after Qanon. This was Wilmington Coup II: The Racists Strike Back.

    PS Lol at you saying you’re a liberal in the poll.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krakan View Post
    I mean the word death cult really inspires something more drastic then a single event and 2 deaths? I admit I might be missing some minor thing.

    Their goal isn't death it's just a bunch of soccer moms 4chan tricked.
    They’re a death cult. They’re pro-death, pro-gun, anti-healthcare, anti-welfare, anti-environment. No one works harder to make America a more miserable place than the GOP and their voters.

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