Should QAnon be labeled as a terrorist organization?

[Kellhound]

When it comes to threats of violence or death and their legality, the concept of "intent" is in relation to the issuance of the threat, not intent to act upon that threat.

You might have absolutely no capacity to execute that threat, because you're sitting in a basement 2000 miles away from your victim. But if you lead your victim to reasonably believe you're watching them and able to act on that threat, that is what makes it criminally actionable. And your intent is only considered in relation to your choice to send those threatening messages, not your capacity to act. That is only measured in determining whether the target would have reasonable grounds to feel the threat was legitimate, so it has nothing to do with your actual capacity or intent to act, solely the target's reasonable beliefs to that effect.

What defines a reasonable belief?

[Endus]

What defines a reasonable belief?

You can't possibly be serious.

https://definitions.uslegal.com/r/reasonable-belief/

Basic legal definitions, guy.

[masterhorus8]

You can't possibly be serious.

https://definitions.uslegal.com/r/reasonable-belief/

Basic legal definitions, guy.

You've just found another person that likes to be an armchair lawyer without knowing what they're arguing for. It's great, isn't it?

[Kellhound]

You can't possibly be serious.

https://definitions.uslegal.com/r/reasonable-belief/

Basic legal definitions, guy.

Which clearly says it is subjective, thus open to interpretation.

Oh, and you should check the legal definition of a threat, it does require intent to cause fear.

[Endus]

Which clearly says it is subjective, thus open to interpretation.

A great deal of law is subjective. That doesn't mean it's just whatever you want it to be. You're misusing words, at this point.

The entire concept of a jury system exists because the law is largely subjective in nature. Were it objective, a jury would be anathema, as they would not have the requisite knowledge to interpret the law properly.

Oh, and you should check the legal definition of a threat, it does require intent to cause fear.

That's literally what I said. Intent to communicate that message, not intent to carry out the threat. As long as we move the goalposts from "fear" to just "harm or loss", as Vegas82 said; fear's not a legal expectation.

[Nihilist74]

The nazi's do have moonbases!

[Felya]

The nazi's do have moonbases!

I was going to say it’s good to see Udo Kier still get work... but, this is from 2012...

[Slant]

Which clearly says it is subjective, thus open to interpretation.

Oh, and you should check the legal definition of a threat, it does require intent to cause fear.

It's subjective in the sense that reasonable belief is what a neutral third person with average intelligence would be reasonably judged to believe. Ie. YOUR point of view or even the victim's actual point of view doesn't tell the full story. If the judge says an average guy could have reasonably believed it, there is reasonable belief. Or, as others have said, the judge's assessment of the situation gets replaced with a jury acting out the "reasonable third person point of view", ie. if they think there's reasonable belief, there's reasonable belief.

I'm basing this on the notion that the victim will always say "I totally believed it", otherwise there wouldn't be a court trial. And unfortunately, you can't just trust the victim to be truthful. There's whole legal debates about this very question, it's rather interesting actually, if you have the taste for legal details.

Interesting edge case: I threaten someone to SMITE THEM WITH LIGHTNING! He might be a dimwit and totally believe me, but I'd probably be able to make a good case that nobody in their right mind would have believed me and get away without punishment. Unless I knew he was dimwitted, and that's where you have to adjust the "reasonable belief" somewhat. Oh, you could argue back and forth for hours over thingis like this. :P

[TheramoreIsTheBomb]

QAnon is much as a organization as is Antifa is. However, the former nearly started the second civil war and possibly lit a torch needed for WW3. QAnon is a mess of conspiracy theorists coming together along with support from the GOP and foreign governments. I consider it an organization even if it has multiple leaders

- - - Updated - - -

I'm thinking a competent DoJ could roll up Qanon pretty quickly.

No shortage of people to flip.



Eric "T" from 725 5th Ave, New York, would also like to speak to nice FBI lady.

When was this posted? Is this talking about Trump at the time or currently of Biden??

[Theodarzna]

It depends on if Terrorist is a state of mind or a specific action.

Is believing that the world is ruled by a cabal of pedo's who worship demons a thing that should be penalized? It has a very red scare vibe. This comes off as "One is not allowed to impugn the integrity of the elite or institutions and doing anything that could cause doubt in them is a serious problem". More over you could say "Well I don't favor the State doing it" is kind of a preposterous technicality. In an oligarchical structure, where ALL SPACES are privatized the distinction is one without a reasonable difference.

So no, and I'd go further that the "Call it terrorism!" sounds like magic word thinking, akin to the insistence that certain terrorism be called "Islamic Terrorism!"

[postman1782]

QAnon is much as a organization as is Antifa is. However, the former nearly started the second civil war and possibly lit a torch needed for WW3. QAnon is a mess of conspiracy theorists coming together along with support from the GOP and foreign governments. I consider it an organization even if it has multiple leaders

- - - Updated - - -



When was this posted? Is this talking about Trump at the time or currently of Biden??

Except we kinda know who the leader of Q is, and there isn't one for Antifa.

And the post is about Trump, not Biden. Because he said at the time of his arrest, he went there because Trump said to.

[Theodarzna]

Except we kinda know who the leader of Q is, and there isn't one for Antifa.

And the post is about Trump, not Biden. Because he said at the time of his arrest, he went there because Trump said to.

Who is the leader of Q? The shaman guy?

[postman1782]

Who is the leader of Q? The shaman guy?

No, that Ron Watkins and his father or son, whatever. They are the owners of the website.

[Felya]

Who is the leader of Q? The shaman guy?

It’s the Watkins... it’s been known for quite a while... the guys shooting uncensored porn for Japan out of Philippines...

- - - Updated - - -

No, that Ron Watkins and his father or son, whatever. They are the owners of the website.

I posted saying as much more than a year ago. It was rumored, since all signs pointed to them... but, after the election, it’s pretty much confirmed. Q stopped posting and CodeMonkeyz posted a new project will be announced soon.

Edit: There was a rich guy that had a game every year that was similar to what Watkins did, but just amongst his friends. Some of them got killed during the last game, which is how it ended. There is a rabbit hole video about it... I’ll edit once I find it.

Edit 2: it’s not a further down rabbit hole video, just checked them all... while searching for... ‘rich people game dead’... probably got me on some lists, but not what I was looking for... I’ll try to explain, but there have been a bunch of movies using similar concept.

There once was a rich guy, that every year created real life espionage games. He would hire people to act as federal agents, there would be plants in crowds and cryptic message sent. Every year it would get more and more elaborate, because the dude was just getting wealthier. Until one year, where during being stranded in the desert, after being dropped off by fake FBI, a dude either almost died or actually died.

This, combined with the geocaching craze of the time, created a new social game. It’s been used in several marketing campaigns even. Where you create this alternative reality and crowd source solving puzzles, finding meads... all sorts of fun shit, if you just think about it as an abstract.

I might be wrong here... but, with Watkins last message that a new project is coming soon... Could Q have also started as this sort of social espionage game, that simply got out of control? Maybe not to the people invested in it, but I think this was a social espionage game for Watkins... will see what the next project looks like... hope it makes dumb asses eat their own poop.

[Nihilist74]

I was going to say it’s good to see Udo Kier still get work... but, this is from 2012...

They made a sequel. Maybe he was in that.

[Felya]

They made a sequel. Maybe he was in that.

I had to check and he is... 8 movies in 2019 alone... I love it when he plays a Nazi... because the first role I noticed him in, was My Own Private Idaho and then Andi Warhol’s Blood for Dracula... it just makes everything that followed, absolute hilarious...

[Pendragon]

They're clearly organised like neo-antifa and blm are, and if they are clearly committing and inciting terrorist acts/violence like those groups then yes. They all should be.

[Felya]

They're clearly organised like neo-antifa and blm are, and if they are clearly committing and inciting terrorist acts/violence like those groups then yes. They all should be.

Who is Watkins or Trump for Antifa or BLM?

Edit: Oh shit... I just connected the dots... Here is the man who started Antifa and why he hates cops:

[masterhorus8]

Who is Watkins or Trump for Antifa or BLM?

But think of the trashcans!

[Felya]

But think of the trashcans!

Judging by everything that is going down, like demanding government platform Trump supporters, while their riots showing Blue Lives don’t really matter. TLM... Trump’s Life Matters...