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  1. #101
    Quote Originally Posted by Phon View Post
    Or the US and every other country should stay out of other countries dealings?
    There is a healthy way of involving yourself without destroying a entire country like Irak and Afganistan.
    Myanmar lost the benefit of doubt when the army decided to kill bunch of innocent civilians who have been oppressed for decades and then use fake pictures to justify those actions.

    If the coup was similar to what happend in Turkey a few years ago than sure, there was no reason to believe that the army would suddenly start mass killing any Turkish citizens. That was a completely internal conflict.
    Myanmar army and government however decided that they needed to punish a certain ethnic group because they didn't bow there heads.

  2. #102
    Army has almost fully cut of the internet and are in the streets in force, APC's and all, reports of weapon fire. I guess their patience with protests run out, crackdown is incoming. I can bet that there will be blood, question is, how much.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-56062955
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    Quote Originally Posted by ati87 View Post
    There is a healthy way of involving yourself without destroying a entire country like Irak and Afganistan.
    Myanmar lost the benefit of doubt when the army decided to kill bunch of innocent civilians who have been oppressed for decades and then use fake pictures to justify those actions.

    If the coup was similar to what happend in Turkey a few years ago than sure, there was no reason to believe that the army would suddenly start mass killing any Turkish citizens. That was a completely internal conflict.
    Myanmar army and government however decided that they needed to punish a certain ethnic group because they didn't bow there heads.
    Oh im sure the US would manage to make it worse if they intervened.
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  4. #104
    Myanmar's ambassador to UN decided to say what he thinks about the coup. Of course, he is no longer in that position:
    Myanmar's military rulers say they have fired the country's ambassador to the United Nations, a day after he called for help to remove the army from power.

    In an emotional speech, Kyaw Moe Tun said no-one should co-operate with the military until it handed back power to the democratically elected government.
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-56222987
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  5. #105
    This seems to be a quick and unwise way into WW3 if the UN gets involved. The world wars were started with a protest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheramoreIsTheBomb View Post
    This seems to be a quick and unwise way into WW3 if the UN gets involved. The world wars were started with a protest.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assass...ranz_Ferdinand
    Myanmar will not start WW3.

    Sit down.

  7. #107
    At least 10 dead in yesterday's protests, probably more. Escalation, it seems, has started.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheramoreIsTheBomb View Post
    This seems to be a quick and unwise way into WW3 if the UN gets involved. The world wars were started with a protest.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assass...ranz_Ferdinand
    You sure you are not exagerating a bit much...?
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  8. #108
    Quote Originally Posted by Belize View Post
    Myanmar will not start WW3.

    Sit down.
    it might. This is where China might really overstep its bounds. Myanmar's problems lately are a huge step forward in China's geopolitical war.
    Last edited by YUPPIE; 2021-02-28 at 01:11 PM.

  9. #109
    At least 18 dead now.

    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    it might. This is where China might really overstep its bounds. Myanmar's problems lately are a huge step forward in China's geopolitical war.
    Why, why would anyone from the big boys club, including China, go to war over Myanmar? Just why?
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  10. #110
    Quote Originally Posted by Easo View Post
    Why, why would anyone from the big boys club, including China, go to war over Myanmar? Just why?
    I read the CCP approves of the coup at least. As for what someone gains out of a country in anarchy like this, well you can swoop in and cement new fascist alliances and resources.
    Last edited by YUPPIE; 2021-02-28 at 11:39 PM.

  11. #111
    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    I read the CCP approves of the coup at least. As for what someone gains out of a country in anarchy like this, well you can swoop in and cement new fascist alliances and resources.
    Everyone supports someone, some of those supported nations less than... ideal. Tell me again why would that be worth WW3 with major powers of the world? It is exactly like the fantasy theory that if Hillary won, then she would have invaded Syria and Russia would have stepped in thus starting WW3. No, no just no. That is not how any of this works, no one is that retarded, not Chinese, not Americans, not Russians or, hell, Indians, as it is their backyard.
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  12. #112
    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    I read the CCP approves of the coup at least. As for what someone gains out of a country in anarchy like this, well you can swoop in and cement new fascist alliances and resources.
    It is simply not worth it. Sure every great power has their puppets in every nation and will use them to get what they want, including supporting civil wars the resulting massacres, incarcerations, genocide etc. while condemning them on paper getting directly involved needs much greater stakes.

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    That's unfortunate. Based on what I read the military isn't very popular but the pre-coup status quo wasn't very popular either so there's a lot of complacency and not quite enough people who oppose military rule.
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  14. #114
    Quote Originally Posted by Easo View Post
    Tell me again why would that be worth WW3 with major powers of the world?.
    Xi Jinping WILL invade Taiwan eventually (thus declaring war on the US) and has been steadily mounting a military offensive. He will do it because he'll be seen as weak otherwise and that's something you can never have in a fascist empire. He'll need all the allies and resources he can get and Myanmar is conveniently near him. There's no reason he would have said it's a good thing this coup is ongoing.

    Plus, the US on paper doesn't seem to give a shit about Myanmar's problems to liberate it. Why wouldn't China just take over? It's a simple power grab.

  15. #115
    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    Xi Jinping WILL invade Taiwan eventually (thus declaring war on the US) and has been steadily mounting a military offensive.
    Xi doesn't even know what his generals are doing half the time. He does value stability. So no invasion... Taiwan is referred to as the "Asian tiger" because how heavily armed it is.

  16. #116
    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    Xi doesn't even know what his generals are doing half the time. He does value stability. So no invasion... Taiwan is referred to as the "Asian tiger" because how heavily armed it is.
    what is the source for this? i searched asian tiger... find that 4 countries are called asian tigers and that was based on financial situation in them... south korea... taiwan... singapore... hongkong... nothing about military strength...

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    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    Xi Jinping WILL invade Taiwan eventually (thus declaring war on the US) and has been steadily mounting a military offensive. He will do it because he'll be seen as weak otherwise and that's something you can never have in a fascist empire. He'll need all the allies and resources he can get and Myanmar is conveniently near him. There's no reason he would have said it's a good thing this coup is ongoing.

    Plus, the US on paper doesn't seem to give a shit about Myanmar's problems to liberate it. Why wouldn't China just take over? It's a simple power grab.
    Yes, they will. But there is another mistake you are making - about USA defending Taiwan. There has been a lot of discussions about it but the actual agreement is widely interpretable. It is definitely not NATO's 5th article. Unless carrier task groups will physically sail the Taiwan strait like in 90ties USA's support might end with "thoughts and prayers".
    Also, China does not rule Myanmar, it just has concessions and advantageous agreements. After all, you do not make coups to let someone else rule. They have no reason to fight for China. Plus India is bordering them as well, last thing Delhi needs is second Pakistan.

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    Xi doesn't even know what his generals are doing half the time. He does value stability. So no invasion... Taiwan is referred to as the "Asian tiger" because how heavily armed it is.
    You honestly believe the first part? As for the second one... Hah. We are talking about a nation of 23 million versus 1.4 billion one, with second biggest economy in the world. This, this alone should mean everything. Then let's add close proximity to mainland, outdated equipment, lack of procurement for new models since basically only USA is selling anything to them and even that is always a hot topic. Could go into more details but there is no point, IMHO.
    When PRC decides to come (and it IS only a matter of time) Taiwan cannot win alone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Easo View Post
    You honestly believe the first part? As for the second one... Hah. We are talking about a nation of 23 million versus 1.4 billion one, with second biggest economy in the world. This, this alone should mean everything. Then let's add close proximity to mainland, outdated equipment, lack of procurement for new models since basically only USA is selling anything to them and even that is always a hot topic. Could go into more details but there is no point, IMHO.
    When PRC decides to come (and it IS only a matter of time) Taiwan cannot win alone.
    A war between the US and China brings up the question of... Where does China sell $659.5 billion of exports if it can't sell to the US and where does the US sell $539.2 billion exports if it can't sell to China?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Logwyn View Post
    A war between the US and China brings up the question of... Where does China sell $659.5 billion of exports if it can't sell to the US and where does the US sell $539.2 billion exports if it can't sell to China?
    The rest of the world? Or at least the EU...

    https://www.politico.eu/article/chin...ner-over-2020/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    The rest of the world? Or at least the EU...

    https://www.politico.eu/article/chin...ner-over-2020/
    The point was both the US and China have economies so intertwined that a war would wreck both so badly it would not be worth it for either to engage in.

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