Do you ever question the going narrative?

[Beloren]

In the past, before our time, societies believed things, that often took generations in solidifying and would often change by dramatic events like war, natural disasters or on rare occasion, sweeping trends.


The advent of modern global media has only quickened how fast we share information, but with some interesting new things facilitated by mass consumption. We started at first reflecting our societies and reporting the news, but in our generation there has been a notable shift to controlling the narrative and manipulating perception - to the culprits, truth is irrelevant, it's all about control. At least that sentiment isn't new, but the ability to influence and touch minds is far wider.

Did you grow up watching a lot of media and entertainment? The values of our societies were broadcast and reflected through our television media, at least the ones we considered more noble. When did things start changing? Did our society change or did we change to match new narratives, minor and fringe ideologies made popular through television, now serving as the pulpits for whatever movement - whether intersectionalism, far left communism, fascism, Marxism, lgbtqA++-C, conservatism, liberalism, socialism and all the isms etc.

Do you ever question the going narrative? Especially now it takes a direction you don't agree with, but you find, tools that once shared your beliefs or reflected them, now reflecting something entirely, and you are now labelled and persecuted for not agreeing or towing the line.. and woe betide you step out and say something different. You get cancelled.

I'm wondering how many of you still watch a lot of entertainment, fiction, and have all your lives espeically if you are 18-49 (i.e. millenials and xillenials which are Gen x meets millenials) = we are the media generation, if your childhood was in the 80s upwards (i.e. born 1976 upwards) you've probably had TV and media entertainment as a major diet of your upbringing), which means is you are 18-49, you've had pretty much in excess of 15 years including the most formative years of your life influenced by this.

Are you bored of it? Do you still buy it? Do you watch a lot of stuff and say this is bull, or do you lap it all up? I'm not talking about dodgy science, I'm talking about the lifestyle preaching embedded in what you hear and watch today.

Recently I've come to think this is b/s - use to be a huge sci-fi/horror/fantasy fan - so sick of it, sure i find it cool still, but it feels so tired, switch to drama and comedy, I just feel like I'm being preached to constantly and if I dare to feel differently or think differently, I am the crazy one, I am wrong, I must support what they are peddling.

Now I wonder if you guys still believe what you see? or you are look at it far more pragmatically, enjoying the content, but seeing and calling out the b/s, rejecting it.

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It's not just what's in entertainment ofc, it's all of media.

[Sorensen]

There is no going narrative this is IRL, not some fiction.

[Endus]

Do you ever question the going narrative? Especially now it takes a direction you don't agree with, but you find, tools that once shared your beliefs or reflected them, now reflecting something entirely, and you are now labelled and persecuted for not agreeing or towing the line.. and woe betide you step out and say something different. You get cancelled.

I think the bold is your real thesis statement, here.

And it's complete bollocks.

Nobody gets cancelled for having a different point of view on things. I've been clear on these forums that I'm a liberal market socialist, politically. There isn't a party that fits my views, here in Canada. It isn't some movement I latched on to; I spent a lot of time working out what my base principles were, and built them up into what I felt was an ideal point of view, and scanned around to see what matched with what I'd built. And while it's getting more popular as a set of talking points, it's still definitively fringe and there is no organized movement that represents it. There is no "narrative".

And I've been "cancelled" from exactly nothing. Not unless you count a couple three-day suspensions here when I got particularly salty like a year or so back. Which I wouldn't, because it had nothing to do with my politics.

People aren't getting "cancelled" because they don't support the "narrative". They get "cancelled" because they're abusive and/or bigoted ding-dongs. And they lack any sense of personal responsibility for the consequences of their actions.

[Dhrizzle]

I think the bold is your real thesis statement, here.

And it's complete bollocks.

I only got this far...

television, now serving as the pulpits for whatever movement - whether intersectionalism, far left communism, fascism, Marxism, lgbtqA++-C etc

Before deciding the post wasn't worth finishing.

Nobody gets cancelled for having a different point of view on things. I've been clear on these forums that I'm a liberal market socialist, politically. There isn't a party that fits my views, here in Canada. It isn't some movement I latched on to; I spent a lot of time working out what my base principles were, and built them up into what I felt was an ideal point of view, and scanned around to see what matched with what I'd built. And while it's getting more popular as a set of talking points, it's still definitively fringe and there is no organized movement that represents it. There is no "narrative".

And I've been "cancelled" from exactly nothing. Not unless you count a couple three-day suspensions here when I got particularly salty like a year or so back. Which I wouldn't, because it had nothing to do with my politics.

People aren't getting "cancelled" because they don't support the "narrative". They get "cancelled" because they're abusive and/or bigoted ding-dongs. And they lack any sense of personal responsibility for the consequences of their actions.

So you do question the narrative that poor conservatives are getting silenced and cancelled for the crimes of wrong-think?

[Katchii]

Do you ever question the going narrative? Especially now it takes a direction you don't agree with, but you find, tools that once shared your beliefs or reflected them, now reflecting something entirely, and you are now labelled and persecuted for not agreeing or towing the line.. and woe betide you step out and say something different. You get cancelled.

As Endus already pointed out, this is BS.

It depends on what kind of person you are and HOW you say it (which includes where and when, ie don't go to an Alcoholic's Anonymous meeting and bring up what your current favorite beer is), not what you say. If you act like a royal douchebag, you'll be treated like one and would get cancelled because of that, not necessarily because of what you say.

[Grimbold21]

It was not too long ago when certain phenomena and their respective examples were seen as, fundamentally, of fringe and online origin. In essence, when something ridiculous happened that you disagreed with, it was a safe bet that it was just 1 person on the internet doing it.

It's that same reason that leads people to dismiss criticism made agaisnt the ideas behind such ludicrous situations, and for mocking those making it. You know, theNothing burgers that people make or are made fun of for making out of seemingly harmless situations.

The issue - in my opinion - is that such fringe situations have been growing a tad too frequent to my taste. Arguably that can be attributed to the click-farming industry that is social media, and media channels trying to score attention via these outlandish news pieces.

The narrative that I question is one of pervasiveness. That my concern with the underlying ideas (and ideology) of these cases is somehow representative of a dismissiveness or weakened concerned for the real danger, which often is framed as being the far-right. I question the validity of dismissing my concern because but look at those, they're actually physically harming people! You're caring about the wrong things..

The question with the far-right is they're an easy target because their tactics are overt and sometimes - unfortunately - explicitly violent. They make themselves obvious and it's therefore easy, to me anyway, to acknowledge the problem that they represent. However, I tend to think that the boogeyman that is the far-right - and it is one that should be countered and admonished - is weaponized by others, perhaps their ideological opposites, to prop up and carry out social and cultural reform that I personally may disagree with.

They succeed doing so because the principles refer to causes that a majority of people would support.

Now, I would risk saying that a retort would be smth like you're talking nonsense. It was only days ago that the far-right stormed one of the US's governing institutions.
Yes, but that's easy. The fools made their extremism obvious and got punished for it. Meanwhile - and this one of those cases you might say it's a nothing burger - ONE american teacher was lecturing ONE class in ONE school about how Bernie's choice of clothing at the inauguration was a representation of (white)privilege.
Reading some of the feedback that particular newspiece got, some people were suggesting what I once used to say: don't give this kind of thing attention and it goes away. But it doesn't, does it? Which is why I find it pervasive. The only thing that could go away is its reporting.

In short, I question the narrative that I'm somehow protecting far-right extremists, or am unconvincing in abhorring them because I find other things ridiculous as well.

[Endus]

LOL

Do you truly believe you are 'out of the norm' by being a liberal market socialist? It's about as status quo as one might be able to get in most western european countries, where the ruling coalitions are often "purple", a reference to the combination of blue (liberal) and red (socialist) parties holding the government majority (*).

Said like someone who doesn't understand my ideological stance.

I want to see the entire capitalist system torn down and replaced wholesale. No private ownership of the means of production whatsoever. There isn't a developed nation on the planet that operates even close to that.

Want to get cancelled? Try digging up some of the countless scientific researches that have been banned from the spotlight because they don't match the narrative of equality or multiculturalism.

Doesn't exist. Just shitty research, often by bigots trying to deliberately push a bigoted agenda. It's the equivalent of that one anti-vaccer paper that was a complete fraud.

You're literally pushing conspiracy theories that have no basis in reality.

[Endus]

Well there is nothing 'liberal market' about that, as liberalism puts a strong emphasis on the freedom to own property and to trade it freely.

Spoken like someone who doesn't understand how ownership of the means of production differs from ownership of property in general.

Btw, I'm not replying to the other part of your post - as that is outside of what this forum is about. I keep discussions of such topics for forums where people are brave enough to have them.

Because you don't have an argument. You'd have to resort to posting something bigoted, and you know it.

I'm glad you agreed with all the rest of my post which you didn't quote though.

Not entertaining conspiratorial delusions is not the same as agreement.

[Rozz]

This is closed. The intention of this thread is dubious at best and discussion has already picked up on implications that aren't welcome for discussion.