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    Why did none of the draenei including the lightforged care when Illidan killed X'era?

    Xe'ra was revered by the draenei for thousands of years -- leading the fight against the Legion abroad the Xenedar, the Light's largest remaining bastion, and serving as a beacon and a leader to them, as the Naaru Prime, after they had lost their entire planet. And yet when Illidan killed Xe'ra, none of the draenei, lightforged or otherwise, didn't seem to really react, even Velen barely shrugged in response, just moving on as if nothing important had happened. The lightforged were apparently fanatics and zealots -- and yet, they seemed to not care significantly about Xe'ra being annihilated. They didn't object when Xe'ra imprisoned Alleria for an extended period of time abroad their vessel, so they did seem obedient; and yet from Alleria and Lothraxion's conversations about the Void, it seems that the Army does retain its sense of free will, or else Xe'ra would not have allowed him to tell her about such details. Why didn't they attempt to kill Illidan in response? Or at least imprison or punish him in some way?

    And why did A'dal attempt to kill Illidan -- if it was against Xe'ra's wishes? The Army were the ones who sent them to Outland to assist Velen and the draenei, according to Chronicles -- and yet they seemed to be unaware that Xe'ra had plans for Illidan, nor did she feel inclined to share her plans with the other naaru whatsoever.

    What if Illidan did not destroy her? Or if he had agreed to her wishes? Would it have impacted the outcome of the war against the Legion? Remember, X'era's primary purpose for recruiting Illidan was NOT against the Legion -- it was to ultimately turn him to an extremely powerful and unstoppable Lightforged soldier to destroy the Void, which she told him was a far greater and more dangerous threat by far to the cosmos.
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    Maybe because they all saw what she was doing was wrong, opposite to Yrel and her army. You cannot force any kind of power or belief onto someone else.
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    Because ultimately the MU Lightforged are different from the AU Lightforged.

    People constantly bring up how the AU Lightforged led by Yrel are so much more fanatical and ruthless, but what people are missing is that ultimately these are two different timelines, there will be changes and differences.

    The MU Lightforged seem to be far more lenient and easy-going than their AU counterparts, as evidenced by the fact that the Lightforged fought together with the Illidari and then the Ren'dorei against common foes, or that the Lightforged don't mind that their leader is married to a Void elf.

    You could say AU Xe'ra was simply more convincing/efficient than MU Xe'ra. AU Xe'ra literally twisted the Draenei into a war machine bound to her will, via Yrel who was given Light visions, while clearly MU Xe'ra couldn't have that same degree of control over her Lightforged army.
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    Possibly because they had their minds set in defeating the legion

    Also, Blizzard doesnt give a fuck about the army of light
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    Because the Lightforged are staggeringly poorly written. The idea that after being lead by what is essentially an archangel for 25k years, being infused with the cosmic power of the Light that should change them at least to the point of following its goals and being in a total war with demons for most of that time they'd be totally fine with a demon frying their leader because 'uwu, she tried to take advantage of his free will' by itself defeats the purpose of the sub-race.
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    Lightbound (AU) and Lightforged (MU) just aren't the same.

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    Last I checked, one of the leaders of the lightforged attempted to cut off Illidan's head, but even exhausted, Illidan was able to stop him. Just because they didn't take separate action doesn't mean they don't care, but it seems clear they're not able to kill him. However, when confronted with potential total annihilation at the hands of the Legion, that vendetta has to wait, and Illidan was beyond their reach afterward.

    With respect to Velen, he was having a crisis of faith. That was sort of the point of his arc in all of that. He wasn't going to do what the light wanted; he was going to do what he wanted. Velen has never really been a very expressive character, so it doesn't surprise me that he stays fairly stoic throughout the whole affair.

    With respect to A'dal, why should he care what Xe'ra wants? A'dal's goals were to safeguard the draenei and other Outland refugees and to stop their oppressor. Given Illidan was the mastermind behind all of that, it makes sense he'd be opposed to Illidan. Yes, they're the same type of being (Naaru), but Xe'ra and A'dal can have separate goals. Ultimately, A'dal succeeded at his goal and Xe'ra failed at her goal, and the Legion was defeated, so it seems like A'dal's plans worked out quite well for the overarching goal of stopping the Legion.

    With respect to using Illidan against the void, it remains to be seen whether he does anything to help against them without Xe'ra's influence or whether we even need his help.

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    Cause they all saw xera literally ensnare him and start forcefully converting him into the light.

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    Velen was pretty well past giving a shit about Naaru and the Light at that point. I don't recall any lightforged being on the Vindicaar at the time, only Turaylon was there, who tried to kill Illidan.

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    Because it is a game with limited in-game time to tell the story. Turalion was there as a Lightforged representative to show his reaction for the group. So was Velen. And I wouldn't really bother with BC story, it was over 10y ago and they retconned lots of it in Legion.
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    Turalyon was the marquee NPC representing the Lightforged as a faction, and his immediate response to Illidan destroying Xe'ra was to attempt to kill Illidan - so based on Turalyon's reaction I would say the Lightforged did indeed care when Illidan killed Xe'ra. But Illidan was right as well, and Xe'ra had attempted to convert Illidan against his own will violently and painfully, something all the Lightforged were there to witness - and something Velen speak of briefly after the fact. When Turalyon stood down it would appear they did as well, and their primary purpose wasn't worship or veneration of Xe'ra as much as it was the destruction of the Legion.
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    Illidan was the path to victory - he was born of prophecy and was foretold to be important in the coming conflict. Maybe just not in the way they expected, in the way the Light showed them - in how the Light blinded them, as Illidan says. To them, they've been losing this war for tens of thousands of years only barely surviving. But Illidan sees victory clearer than any of them - he knows it's possible, and he knows how to get there. The sheer weight of what that must mean for them must be overwhelming. They've all lived for a long time, and while he destroyed the very image of their idol, what they were doing wasn't getting them anywhere and they knew it. Illidan promised them a real solution, a different way. They couldn't keep going as they were or they might have fallen. Sure, Illidan could have accepted the power and the chains that came with it and it probably would have meant the Legion's and maybe the Void's downfall in quick succession. But for people of faith when a miracle comes walking in and tells you to your face you're doing it wrong it's probably smarter to listen. Turalyon was emotional in the moment, as much as all the rest of the Lightforged would be, but even he couldn't deny what Illidan was putting right in front of them. Illidan may be reckless, but Illidan always has an air of competence in what he is doing - dude has charisma, power, and the experience to give weight to his words in these kinds of situations. To say Illidan's destruction of Xe'ra was not only a demonstration of his power but also how wrong they were to put their faith in something so fragile is perhaps the one way he could have possibly gotten them to listen to him at all. If Xe'ra hadn't been killed I'm not sure if they would have followed him immediately unless he got himself Lightforged. Maybe in a hypothetical, if Illidan had succumbed he could have succumbed to Sargeras as well - possible, perhaps, that without the resolve to break Xe'ra he wouldn't have the resolve to fight the will of Sargeras to hold him down as he is now.

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    He just killed a Naaru with little effort. Would you have argued with him?
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    They Low-key shot her core through some demon portal in hopes that the Legion on Azeroth would find it and destroy it, because of how much of an insufferable idiot she was. So they were all relieved and happy to work with him on Argus right after

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aucald View Post
    Turalyon was the marquee NPC representing the Lightforged as a faction, and his immediate response to Illidan destroying Xe'ra was to attempt to kill Illidan - so based on Turalyon's reaction I would say the Lightforged did indeed care when Illidan killed Xe'ra. But Illidan was right as well, and Xe'ra had attempted to convert Illidan against his own will violently and painfully, something all the Lightforged were there to witness - and something Velen speak of briefly after the fact. When Turalyon stood down it would appear they did as well, and their primary purpose wasn't worship or veneration of Xe'ra as much as it was the destruction of the Legion.
    I wonder if this incident will be what keeps the Lightforged from siding with Yrel's Lightbound if they ever show up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeBogina View Post
    I wonder if this incident will be what keeps the Lightforged from siding with Yrel's Lightbound if they ever show up.
    Certainly possible - I don't think the MU Lightforged are real keen on the idea of forced conversion to the Light, so I would imagine they'd look on Yrel and her Lightbound with a rather jaundiced eye.
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    its just hack writing,its something we have gotten used to with blizzard

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    Illidan was the key part of X'era's prophecy. So they probably believe X'era being annihilated by Illidan was part of said prophecy - and in the end it worked as the Legion is defeated, so heh, who cares about the giant street lamp

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    False premise. They did react, Turalyon's immediate response was drawing his blade until Velen talked him down. Velen also reacted, he just found far more issue with Xe'ra's actions than Illidan's and knew there were more important matters currently trying to shoot them.

    A'dal is from a seperate group of Naaru that didn't buy into Xe'ra's fangirling.

    I'm also fairly certain Turalyon did object to Alleria's imprisonment - he just didn't force the matter and Xe'ra overruled him.

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