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    Status of the Eastern Kingdoms post fourth war?

    Hello there folks! I thought, with the fourth war over, that it might be time to explore in what state the continent of the Eastern Kingdoms finds itself.

    This question is mainly prompted by two things:

    1. That the Alliance won the battle of Arathi and "won" the battle of Lordaeron keep. How much did this weaken the Forsaken's position in the northern territories, and how much did it strengthen the Alliance's position in the northern territories?

    2. What of places like the Western Plaguelands? Can it be considered to be fully cleansed at this point? What of Andorhal? Has it switched hands since the Forsaken's defeat at Lordaeron? Does it lie abandoned now in the event that troops were recalled to defend the capital? What of the Eastern Plaguelands? Would that be in a similar state as the Western Plaguelands' current in-game representation, where most of it has been cleansed aside from a few pockets of undeath? Do the Forsaken still hold Hillsbrad Foothills and Silverpine as well?

    I don't know the answer to these questions, but I was hoping you might, and if nothing else then this thread might serve a speculative function!
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    The Alliance is the dominant power in the Lordaeron subcontinent now. After winning at Stromgarde, they can now invade Quel'Thalas if they wanted to (the premise of the Stromgarde Warfront is that the Horde needs to defend it as it's the gateway into Quel'Thalas), also if we go by the War Table missions then Gilneas has also been reclaimed by Alliance forces. The Alliance under the leadership of Turalyon and Alleria is now seeking to expand in Lordaeron, by reclaiming former Alliance settlements like they did with Stromgarde.

    I'm sure the War table missions also give out info about Andorhal, Tirisfal, Alterac, etc. but I can't remember these infos currently.
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    1) "Forsaken position" in Lordareon is pretty much gone.

    Lorewise, practically all Forsaken have escaped to Kalimdor, mainly Orgrimmar.

    2) They are definitely NOT cleansed. Lorewise, Azeroth right now suffers under the biggest Scourge Invasion in history (you can see elements of it during Kyrian campaign). Undead are reaching as far as Redridge and Durotar. It's likely that Plaguelands are back under complete control of the Scourge.
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    What about the Argents and the various neutral factions that are cleansing both Western and Eastern Plaguelands?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth-Piekus View Post
    What about the Argents and the various neutral factions that are cleansing both Western and Eastern Plaguelands?
    Argents were practically eradicated at the First Battle of Broken Shore, when Tirion went missing, presumed dead. Their forces were pretty much wiped out before the Horde and Alliance got there to back them up.
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    Where they really extinct? Haven't they been remade into the Silver Hand on the Paladin Campaign and still existing today in the Plaguelands continuing the effort?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth-Piekus View Post
    What about the Argents and the various neutral factions that are cleansing both Western and Eastern Plaguelands?
    Quote Originally Posted by cparle87 View Post
    Argents were practically eradicated at the First Battle of Broken Shore, when Tirion went missing, presumed dead. Their forces were pretty much wiped out before the Horde and Alliance got there to back them up.
    Sort of. The Argent Crusade rebuilt and it's reasonable to assume many of the Silver Hand class order remained with the Argent Crusade when the call to arms was sounded, because there are plentiful members of the Crusade in the expansion pre-event, with them organizing the defense against the rampant Scourge from the tournament grounds.

    At the moment, the Argents hold most of the Eastern Plaguelands and about a third of the Western Plaguelands, and both the Alliance and Horde have shown little to no interest in challenging the Argents for this territory.

    On-topic: With the loss of the Undercity, the Forsaken presence in the Eastern Kingdoms is all but gone. They may still maintain holdouts in Hillsbrad, Andorhal, and Gilneas, but going by developer comments and the mission table, Gilneas was secured by Alliance forces and the Alliance's best adventurers were instrumental in securing Stromgarde (and with it the Highlands). The blood elves' territories and Revantusk territory in the Hinterlands are the last noteworthy Horde strongholds above the Thandol Span anymore.

    South of the Thandol Span, the Horde maintains a stronger presence, with strongholds peppered throughout the Badlands, Stranglethorn, and a couple other zones, but overall the Eastern Kingdoms remains predominantly Alliance-held. As much ground as the Horde gained in the resource wars after the Shattering, they lost a lot of ground in in the Eastern Kingdoms during the Fourth War as the battles went on and both armies exhausted themselves.
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    To be honest, I thought they should of let The Horde with Arthai, because then it means both factions won a Warfront, as it stands Alliance won both of them. which also means that The blood elves are the only real power in Eastern Kingdoms, Silverpine and Hillsbrad are primarily, Forsaken based but more Settlements then major footholds Both Plaguelands are held by the argent Crusade mainly.

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    It is even more of a shithole and a non living person in their right mind wouldn't want to live in most of its northern parts for a few decades at least.

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    My prediction: Tirisfal Glades mostly in ruins, Scarlet Crusade might be rising again in power after recruiting more members and the absence of the Alliance/Horde. Silverpine Forest probably has the Horde in the Sepulcher fighting off waves of Scourge and the worgens at the Greymane Wall. Hillsbrad Foothills was claimed by the Horde in Cata while whiping out the Alliance forces, now probably having to fight the Scourge. Both Plaguelands should be fully swarmed by Scourge, who also try to invade Quel'Thalas at the gates. The Hinterlands probably has not much going for it, maybe an uprising from the Revantusk Tribe or the Wildhammer Clan who plan to attack each other. Arathi has the Alliance in Stromgarde and the Horde at Hammerfall, probably fighting each other.

    Its definately not in a healthy state (wel it hasn't been ever since the Scourge invaded) and I hope for a proper revamp to show it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thage View Post
    Sort of. The Argent Crusade rebuilt and it's reasonable to assume many of the Silver Hand class order remained with the Argent Crusade when the call to arms was sounded, because there are plentiful members of the Crusade in the expansion pre-event, with them organizing the defense against the rampant Scourge from the tournament grounds.

    At the moment, the Argents hold most of the Eastern Plaguelands and about a third of the Western Plaguelands, and both the Alliance and Horde have shown little to no interest in challenging the Argents for this territory.

    On-topic: With the loss of the Undercity, the Forsaken presence in the Eastern Kingdoms is all but gone. They may still maintain holdouts in Hillsbrad, Andorhal, and Gilneas, but going by developer comments and the mission table, Gilneas was secured by Alliance forces and the Alliance's best adventurers were instrumental in securing Stromgarde (and with it the Highlands). The blood elves' territories and Revantusk territory in the Hinterlands are the last noteworthy Horde strongholds above the Thandol Span anymore.

    South of the Thandol Span, the Horde maintains a stronger presence, with strongholds peppered throughout the Badlands, Stranglethorn, and a couple other zones, but overall the Eastern Kingdoms remains predominantly Alliance-held. As much ground as the Horde gained in the resource wars after the Shattering, they lost a lot of ground in in the Eastern Kingdoms during the Fourth War as the battles went on and both armies exhausted themselves.
    You have to remember, though, that zones exist as they were at the time they were added. Kinda like how Ashenvale doesn't show the effects of Garrosh's invasion pre-MoP. The Argents holding the EPL and part of the WPL was true as of Cataclysm. Tirion rallied the Argents in early Legion and their entire force to the Broken Shore was eradicated. We have no idea how many troops they left in the Plaguelands. There could for all we know be nothing but a skeleton force able to keep their current holdings and nothing more, let alone continue restoration.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LarryFromHumanResources View Post
    Hello there folks! I thought, with the fourth war over, that it might be time to explore in what state the continent of the Eastern Kingdoms finds itself.

    This question is mainly prompted by two things:

    1. That the Alliance won the battle of Arathi and "won" the battle of Lordaeron keep. How much did this weaken the Forsaken's position in the northern territories, and how much did it strengthen the Alliance's position in the northern territories?

    2. What of places like the Western Plaguelands? Can it be considered to be fully cleansed at this point? What of Andorhal? Has it switched hands since the Forsaken's defeat at Lordaeron? Does it lie abandoned now in the event that troops were recalled to defend the capital? What of the Eastern Plaguelands? Would that be in a similar state as the Western Plaguelands' current in-game representation, where most of it has been cleansed aside from a few pockets of undeath? Do the Forsaken still hold Hillsbrad Foothills and Silverpine as well?

    I don't know the answer to these questions, but I was hoping you might, and if nothing else then this thread might serve a speculative function!
    according to exploring the eastern kingdoms:


    The Forsaken continue to control northern Hillsbrad, Tirisfal, and Silverpine.

    The alliance reclaimed the south of Hillsbrad and Stromgarde.

    Eastern plague lands remains primarily plague-controlled, crusade efforts to retake stratholme failed.

    Quelthalas is fine and safer. Magister Terrance is now a museum and also a vault of objects of power collected by the blood elves. the government closed the shop that exploited gnomes

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhlor View Post
    according to exploring the eastern kingdoms:


    The Forsaken continue to control northern Hillsbrad, Tirisfal, and Silverpine.

    The alliance reclaimed the south of Hillsbrad and Stromgarde.

    Eastern plague lands remains primarily plague-controlled, crusade efforts to retake stratholme failed.

    Quelthalas is fine and safer. Magister Terrance is now a museum and also a vault of objects of power collected by the blood elves. the government closed the shop that exploited gnomes
    Interesting that the Forsaken still hold -anything- one would have thought that just about every soldier would've been pulled to defend the capital.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LarryFromHumanResources View Post
    Interesting that the Forsaken still hold -anything- one would have thought that just about every soldier would've been pulled to defend the capital.
    I guess more got risen at the same time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alanar View Post
    I guess more got risen at the same time.
    That's a good point, yeah
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rafoel View Post
    1) "Forsaken position" in Lordareon is pretty much gone.

    Lorewise, practically all Forsaken have escaped to Kalimdor, mainly Orgrimmar.

    2) They are definitely NOT cleansed. Lorewise, Azeroth right now suffers under the biggest Scourge Invasion in history (you can see elements of it during Kyrian campaign). Undead are reaching as far as Redridge and Durotar. It's likely that Plaguelands are back under complete control of the Scourge.
    according to shadow rising the forsaken are returning to lordaeron and derek leads the fleet. calia plans to rebuild the capital

    according to exploring the eastern kingdoms:

    The Forsaken continue to control northern Hillsbrad, Tirisfal, and Silverpine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhlor View Post
    according to shadow rising the forsaken are returning to lordaeron and derek leads the fleet. calia plans to rebuild the capital

    according to exploring the eastern kingdoms:

    The Forsaken continue to control northern Hillsbrad, Tirisfal, and Silverpine.
    I'm glad that BfA meant something and that WoW didn't just end up returning to the status quo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by McNeil View Post
    My prediction: Tirisfal Glades mostly in ruins, Scarlet Crusade might be rising again in power after recruiting more members and the absence of the Alliance/Horde. Silverpine Forest probably has the Horde in the Sepulcher fighting off waves of Scourge and the worgens at the Greymane Wall. Hillsbrad Foothills was claimed by the Horde in Cata while whiping out the Alliance forces, now probably having to fight the Scourge. Both Plaguelands should be fully swarmed by Scourge, who also try to invade Quel'Thalas at the gates. The Hinterlands probably has not much going for it, maybe an uprising from the Revantusk Tribe or the Wildhammer Clan who plan to attack each other. Arathi has the Alliance in Stromgarde and the Horde at Hammerfall, probably fighting each other.

    Its definately not in a healthy state (wel it hasn't been ever since the Scourge invaded) and I hope for a proper revamp to show it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LarryFromHumanResources View Post
    I'm glad that BfA meant something and that WoW didn't just end up returning to the status quo.
    What did it 'mean' exactly?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhlor View Post
    according to shadow rising the forsaken are returning to lordaeron and derek leads the fleet. calia plans to rebuild the capital

    according to exploring the eastern kingdoms:

    The Forsaken continue to control northern Hillsbrad, Tirisfal, and Silverpine.
    The Alliance barely tolerates them because of Calia.

    The forsaken represent nothing in Lordaeron right now with Stromgarde restored to its full glory and since all of them are in Orgrimmar.
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