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  1. #101
    Btw scroling that subreddit for 30min or so really shows what kind of fucked up world it is in alot of places lol. Some are pretty funny though.
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  2. #102
    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    The warning was for another issue. I am following the moderators request. Please read things you refer to.

    You did lie. Twice.
    The warning was "Stop derailing the thread over assumed arguments/intent and stay civil."

    One of your accusations of me lying I have already clarified as me paraphrasing. You continuing to insist that it was a lie is assuming intent.

    Also, I'll point out that at no point in time have I ever made any attacks on your character. A courtesy you have not shown me.

  3. #103
    They had a history of being shitty towards each other...that's something I hope I never understand well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Egomaniac View Post
    The warning was "Stop derailing the thread over assumed arguments/intent and stay civil."

    One of your accusations of me lying I have already clarified as me paraphrasing. You continuing to insist that it was a lie is assuming intent.

    Also, I'll point out that at no point in time have I ever made any attacks on your character. A courtesy you have not shown me.
    And yet it's not assuming intent, it's you lying. Twice. You even admitted it. You lied when you misquoted me. You lied when you said I was one of those people. I corrected the time I was incorrect (the third time) and went back to fix it.

    You need to stop bringing this up - you were warned before and continue to belabor the issue.

    Also, I'll point out that at no time did I lie. You did. Calling someone out for their actions isn't an attack on their character, it's pointing out what they did and labeling it. Feel free to do the same if I ever lie.

  5. #105
    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    I see the first few posts in the thread there are saying that it's such a dumb thing and this is why you shouldn't aggravate people.

    And that's horse shit.

    What it really means is that the guy who attacked them is so much worse than otherwise. He took a petty, stupid, rude argument, and decided to fucking kill two people over it, rather than just sucking it up and dealing with it like a normal human being.

    That this was so petty and that the victims were being insulting and rude does not in any way justify the guy's response. It does not suggest you shouldn't be rude or you'll get fucking murdered. That's victim-blaming, and worse, attempts to essentially use this event as a threat of future force against anyone else who might dare to be rude and insulting to others, that they might be "asking for it" by doing so.

    I really don't give a shit if the couple were assholes and caused the argument for no real reason. Doesn't matter. Didn't mean they should've died for it. Just means their neighbour was completely out to fucking lunch. The alternate timeline where this outcome didn't come about is the timeline where that neighbour was committed pre-emptively to get treatment before his rage issues led to him harming anyone, not a timeline where everyone's so scared of their violent and crazy neighbours that no one's willing to risk angering them.
    I agree with every word you said. Conflicts in society are a regular and normal thing. What is missing here is proportion. If someone insults you and you want to get into a fistfight, sure. It's still criminal, but at least there's some sort of proportion and it'll be regulated with fines. This is such a massively disproportionate response to any behaviour that isn't threatening to one's life... there is just not argument to go "but they're dicks."

    Now, mind you. They are dicks. But society as a whole has become less safe because of this. Just the fact that it's making the rounds and people watch it by the millions makes me wonder, who else takes this as inspiration or justification to off their annoying neighbour?
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  6. #106
    Quote Originally Posted by Daedius View Post
    This thread reminds me of school shooters that snap, killing their tormentors after years of being bullied, and people claiming those bullies were innocent and the shooter was just a nut job...
    Last I checked bullying was not justification for murder.

    No one is arguing that these people were wonderful people that never hurt anyone. They seem to have been complete assholes. I've known plenty of assholes in my life. I've yet to murder any of them.

  7. #107
    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    Could you clarify? What assumptions?
    (happy to answer, just want to be sure I'm answering the right thing )

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    I'm fine where I am. You can move on if you'd like.

    I'll respond how I please, within the confines of the rules. And since you posted in this thread, I'm more than happy to refer to your statements where appropriate.
    Sure, you said they were antagonizing him for decades. Where did you read that?

  8. #108
    Quote Originally Posted by Daedius View Post
    This thread reminds me of school shooters that snap, killing their tormentors after years of being bullied, and people claiming those bullies were innocent and the shooter was just a nut job...
    You're missing the point. Nobody ever said school shooters aren't being bullied. The point is, being bullied doesn't justify you going on a rampage. Sure, people are dicks... but being the ultimate dick and killing everyone is not accepted in society. Hopefully never will be.
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  9. #109
    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    And yet it's not assuming intent, it's you lying. Twice. You even admitted it. You lied when you misquoted me. You lied when you said I was one of those people. I corrected the time I was incorrect (the third time) and went back to fix it.

    You need to stop bringing this up - you were warned before and continue to belabor the issue.

    Also, I'll point out that at no time did I lie. You did. Calling someone out for their actions isn't an attack on their character, it's pointing out what they did and labeling it. Feel free to do the same if I ever lie.
    I'm not bringing it up. I'm defending myself from being called a liar after I have already clarified that I was paraphrasing what you had said.

    When I said "you were one of those people" I was referring to when you said that the law was on his side. Which is the statement that you then said you were incorrect about.

    So, I'd advise you to let this go now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    Sure, you said they were antagonizing him for decades. Where did you read that?
    In the article I initially saw when this happened. Apparently the couple that was shot had been doing things like this for over a decade, throwing snow into his driveway, yelling/cursing, and a lot of other stuff.

    It was from a different article though - not this one, but it at least shows an ongoing "thing".
    Neighbours told police that Spaide and the Goys had been arguing for a long time over various issues, including snow removal. Police did not have any record of such disputes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slant View Post
    You're missing the point. Nobody ever said school shooters aren't being bullied. The point is, being bullied doesn't justify you going on a rampage. Sure, people are dicks... but being the ultimate dick and killing everyone is not accepted in society. Hopefully never will be.
    Thing is though is that people do have a breaking point mentally. When a person is bullied enough(not saying that this is the case here), they tend to have a mental breakdown and violence is usually the outcome of said thing. Either to themselves through mutilation or suicide or to others. That is why we need to take bullying seriously as the outcome from it tends to be far far worse for all parties invovled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Egomaniac View Post
    I'm not bringing it up. I'm defending myself from being called a liar after I have already clarified that I was paraphrasing what you had said.

    When I said "you were one of those people" I was referring to when you said that the law was on his side. Which is the statement that you then said you were incorrect about.

    So, I'd advise you to let this go now.
    You are bringing it up. Over and over again, even after you claim you were warned. Please follow the Moderator's warning.

    Let it go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    In the article I initially saw when this happened. Apparently the couple that was shot had been doing things like this for over a decade, throwing snow into his driveway, yelling/cursing, and a lot of other stuff.

    It was from a different article though - not this one, but it at least shows an ongoing "thing".
    Right, so you assumed shit. And for all you know he’s the one who was being an asshole the entire time and they were just responding. Hell, in the video they make that very claim. Nothing they did gives them ANY culpability in the events that happened. He was an unstable nut job who shouldn’t have been allowed to own a steak knife, let alone guns. As evidenced by him executing people in the street for shoveling snow.

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  15. #115
    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    You are bringing it up. Over and over again, even after you claim you were warned. Please follow the Moderator's warning.

    Let it go.
    1) The warning was for the thread...not for any one individual
    2) You brought it up by continuing to accuse me of lying even after i have clarified my intent. i am merely defending myself against your unwarranted attacks on my character.
    3) So, you can choose to let it go now....or you can continue to to derail the thread with your accusations
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    Sweet, so long as I’m mad I’m not guilty for reasons of insanity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    Right, so you assumed shit. And for all you know he’s the one who was being an asshole the entire time and they were just responding. Hell, in the video they make that very claim. Nothing they did gives them ANY culpability in the events that happened. He was an unstable nut job who shouldn’t have been allowed to own a steak knife, let alone guns. As evidenced by him executing people in the street for shoveling snow.
    No, I didn't assume anything. Maybe we're misunderstanding here. The couple and the guy have a long-standing feud over various things, including the couple shoveling snow into his yard.

    I was trying to say that I couldn't find the initial article where I saw the information about the long standing hostility, but I linked one that did mention it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gondrin View Post
    Thing is though is that people do have a breaking point mentally. When a person is bullied enough(not saying that this is the case here), they tend to have a mental breakdown and violence is usually the outcome of said thing. Either to themselves through mutilation or suicide or to others. That is why we need to take bullying seriously as the outcome from it tends to be far far worse for all parties invovled.
    Nobody, in the history of school shooting, has ever said bullying shouldn't be taken seriously. You're focusing on the wrong thing. Big picture, mate. Yes, bullying is bad. But shooting people dead is so, so much worse that the bullying aspect really becomes more of a side note in the story than the actual issue.

    There is no binary choice of what to address, by the way. Both should be addressed. Any behaviour that affects society negatively in a manner that society does not tolerate needs to be corrected. You trying to shove the big issue aside for the side note of the story is problematic in this context, though. You are focusing your energy on analysing the bullies, the implication being that if you bully, death is an accepted and inevitable outcome. That is not the lesson society accepts. If you think like that, you have a problem and might very well be the next video's star...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Egomaniac View Post
    1) The warning was for the thread...not for any one individual
    2) You brought it up by continuing to accuse me of lying even after i have clarified my intent. i am merely defending myself against your unwarranted attacks on my character.
    3) So, you can choose to let it go now....or you can continue to to derail the thread with your accusations
    Then you should follow the warning. Please stop baiting me into discussing forbidden topics. You were warned previously by the Moderator.

    I won't respond to any more bait attempts by you.
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