View Poll Results: Do you personally like Odyn? Do you agree with his controversial choices?

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  • Yes, I personally like and agree with Odyn

    19 20.00%
  • No, not really

    47 49.47%
  • Other / Not sure / It's complicated

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  1. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by Alanar View Post
    He twisted helya into the first valkyr against her wish.
    She has every reason to hate us and odyn tbh. In her eyes we are probably just pawns off odyn.

    But the story didnt play like that in Legion, which is weird because it only showed us how sad it was that odyn was trapped and not even saying anything about why helya is like this etc etc.

    I hope we get to help her eventually, seems more like the player and leader are unknowing of what realy happend.

    I still think Vrykul/valarjar story and all that is pretty cool and he will show up eventually this expansion.. he has to be. I dont like the fact Odyn thinks he is the best, but it perfectly suits hes character.
    Helya reminds me of another controversial and deeply wounded female character associated with Death -- in a sense. Although Sylvanas is probably more responsible for her choices.
    "Always you speak. Never do you listen! You ignore the lessons of Pandaria! You see, there is balance in all things. Wisdom etched in our very fur: Black and white. Darkness and light. When the last emperor hid our land from the rest of the world, he also preserved...our ancient enemy, the mantid. So it is with your Alliance and your Horde. They are not strong despite one another; they are strong BECAUSE of one another. You mistake your greatest strength for weakness. Do you see this?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daronokk View Post
    Considering that all the Aspects eventually turned evil I'd say Odyn was absolutely right in that decision.

    Odyn is a pretty cool guy. Helya is an evil bitch like Sylvanas so what's the problem? How can anyone hate on Odyn?
    Umm, no, not all the Aspects turned evil.

    Alexstraza hasn't been corrupted and likely won't.

    Malygos didn't "turn evil". He did what he thought was best for Azeroth, it's just that the Kirin Tor and Alexstraza (Mind you, Ysera was neutral on the goings-on as was Nozdormu's brood) disagreed with his actions, and thus they fought and he lost.

    And yes, while Ysera was corrupted, it was more of a forceful conversion then anything, and it only lasted for an hour before she was slain.

    So only Deathwing and Murozond turned evil.
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    Don't forget the fact that he sacrified an eye to Mueh'zala so he could see the Shadowlands

    Another day, another Deal....

  4. #24
    He offers a daily quest to Alliance to kill Horde for his amusement.
    He offers a daily quest to Horde to kill Alliance for his amusement.
    During a worldwide Legion invasion.

    That flags him as evil to me.

  5. #25
    I guess Odyn just being an ass is far worse than Helya being a major source of our issues on Azeroth and Shadowlands. lol

  6. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by Martymark View Post
    He offers a daily quest to Alliance to kill Horde for his amusement.
    He offers a daily quest to Horde to kill Alliance for his amusement.
    During a worldwide Legion invasion.

    That flags him as evil to me.
    That's in line with the character that inspired him.

  7. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by Sammonoske View Post
    I guess Odyn just being an ass is far worse than Helya being a major source of our issues on Azeroth and Shadowlands. lol
    He made Helya what she is.

  8. #28
    He's a far cry from the Odin/Wotan/Wodan/Wodanaz of the Germanic pantheon.

  9. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by OwenBurton View Post
    Helya reminds me of another controversial and deeply wounded female character associated with Death -- in a sense. Although Sylvanas is probably more responsible for her choices.
    Yea fer sure, Odyn made the choice for her. Sylvanas is/was pretty much in control. Her death was a differnt story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bwonsamdi the Dead View Post
    Don't forget the fact that he sacrified an eye to Mueh'zala so he could see the Shadowlands
    Yea I said thay earlier and he must be .. annoyed by the fact we are just roaming the shadowlands now, while he had to lose an eye for it.

  10. #30
    I don't like his dumb lava beard.
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  11. #31
    God where this thread came from, are we back to legion?

    He's an asshole.

  12. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by Verdugo View Post
    He made Helya what she is.
    After she threatened Odyn with returning the Halls of Valor to Ulduar. Threatened her boss. Real smart of her.

  13. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by Rockefellah View Post
    I'm fairly confident that he and the Valarjar will show up in a next patch. Helya showed up right at the beginning in the Maw and he has to many tie-ins with Bastion and his eye (supposedly in possesion of the jailor).

    Was Odyn played by the jailor?
    Is Odyn actually evil? (will he become a raidboss - I hope not!)
    Is Odyn a victim?

    There are so many ways this could play out, I am very excited to see where Blizzard will take his story. Personally I hope for a redemption story for Helya and an that Odyn apologizes to her. I could imagine the leadership of Bastion being killed off, and Skyhold somehow merging into Bastion.
    Helya also popped up a few times in Kyrian campaign, so definitely could be in Bastion they get to tee off against each other.

    Is Odyn actually evil?
    He balanced a bit back and forth, he's one of those "for the greater good" characters, so it depends on how you define "evil".

    His base objective seems to be that of a "good" aligned characters, but he's using "evil methods" to try and reach that objective.

    I'd say in terms of how Blizzard drives him, I don't think he'll ever be evil(meaning fighting against us, the heroes) so if you want a "good or evil" answer, I'd say in the world, he's good.

  14. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by LarryFromHumanResources View Post
    I don't like his dumb lava beard.

    This. It looks like something from classic or TBC era. Its so low res and weird looking.

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    He's a giant dick, but I love him. He's also the only Keeper that hasn't gone fucking insane yet, and is still at full power (As the other Keepers were weakened and mind fucked by Yogg'Saron, and Ra-den...well...ye). He's also the Prime Designate of the Titan Watchers, he made Helya his bitch before she went on all 4's to the Jailer, he sacrificed his eye to peer into the Shadowlands, he made the fuckin Halls of Valor + The Val'kyr cause of what he saw in Bastion, this man made an entire pocket afterlife for the Vry'kul, this man kept going at it with his purpose and job even after being isolated for ages now, he went on disguise to aid us and became one of the coolest Vry'kul guys in Stormheim, he BTFO'd Legion ships with his lightning strike, he's got a cool fucking voice, he has a GIANT throne, he judges people based on worth in the battlefield, he mocked Skovald and laughed at his dumbass, he didn't cuck down like the other weak ass fuckin Titan Keepers when faced with danger (Granted, he wasn't affected by an Old God mentally, but still), he went to Ulduar to chat with his bros first thing after being freed of his Halls of Valor prison, he rules over the Warrior Orderhall, AND...ANNNNNNDDDDD

    HE HAS A FLAMING BEARD! YA KNOW WHO ELSE HAS A FLAMING BEARD?! SARGERAS AND KHAZ'GOROTH! ONLY CHADS HAVE FLAMING BEARDS! FUCK IT, I LOVE ODYN!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Martymark View Post
    He offers a daily quest to Alliance to kill Horde for his amusement.
    He offers a daily quest to Horde to kill Alliance for his amusement.
    During a worldwide Legion invasion.

    That flags him as evil to me.
    The dude loves battle. That ain't evil at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Verdugo View Post
    He made Helya what she is.
    Putting ones emotions over your duty as a Titan Keeper would mean you're a shit Titan Keeper. Just saying. Odyn kinda didn't give a fuck about Helya's weird ass questions and thoughts, so he just made her the first Val'kyr. Not trying to defend his actions, as he still made her a Val'kyr against her will (All because she merely questioned his methods, mind you), but Odyn's job as a keeper also requires performing your duty. And Helya's "questions" provided the perfect subject.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LarryFromHumanResources View Post
    I don't like his dumb lava beard.
    This is some fuckin' heresy right here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sammonoske View Post
    After she threatened Odyn with returning the Halls of Valor to Ulduar. Threatened her boss. Real smart of her.
    That too. Odyn was like "Man, y'all other Keepers are wack", so he just dipped with the entire fucking Halls of Valor lmaoooo

    Then Helya started questioning him, threatened to do that, and Odyn just hit her with the authority bat.

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    Look at this BADASS! No wonder Darkoms and Steve think the Eternal Ones are Keeper Level in terms of status and probably power (Even tho Ion said otherwise, but whatever, not like shit's consistent anyway). Dude's a fucking legend!
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    He's an asshole. Wasn't wrong about the Dragon Aspects tho.

  17. #37
    He's a jerk who made a lot of bad choices but on the sliding scale of villainy that's as far as he goes. I hardly see why we'd tear into him more than Illidan.
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    So this is how far the Lore forum has fallen? Eesh.
    I take it back, BfA is not the lowest the games lore could have gone, this thread proves that.
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    And just like the thread before it, let's back away from sexualizing Azshara and return to the original topic at hand.

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    I do, however I don’t quite understand the whole thing he did to Helya.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sammonoske View Post
    After she threatened Odyn with returning the Halls of Valor to Ulduar. Threatened her boss. Real smart of her.
    Her being a moron doesn't mean that "her boss" isn't a massive d1ckhead.
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  20. #40
    I don't despise him as a character, but he is very much a my way or the highway type character. I do however think he ultimately does what he believes is the best course of action for Azeroth, even if it makes his actions come across as wrong from a moral perspective.

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