That is an objectively irrational stance to take. You'd rather re-do content and be at the mercy of RNG for a second time than have the ability to upgrade your current set of gear. Listen to yourself.
That's literally a non-issue with upgrading tiers 0/4 like in MoP. - https://www.icy-veins.com/forums/top...point-changes/
No item could be that broken anyway, there's always competitive choices. So that's moot.
For most players they would have to redo content anyways.
the mop system and this system are literally not even similar.
The mop upgrades made a 10 ilvl peice a 20 ilvl peice and they made a 1000 ilvl peice a 1010 ilvl peice. if one is better, its still better, cause they all go up the exact same.
but this system makes that 10 ilvl peice, suddenly 1000, and that 1000 peice, still a 1000.
So let me give you a hypothetical.
Blizzard releases a new system tomorow
"LEGENDARY UPGRADES!"
"With a new currency we have deployed you can upgrade your old expansion legendaries to all be equal to current game legendaries!"
Some players would be rewarded for holding onto their legendaries from YEARS ago that have lost all use other then taking up bank space.
while many players would be told "lol go fuck yourself, should have gotten those legendaries and held onto them, knowing we would do this some day"
If you have an item A that increases your dps by 10% and one B that increases your dps by 50%, upgrading 10% to both does not suddenly make item A better then B.
But make both items able to upgrade till they increase your dps by 100% and suddenly A and B are equal, even though A was weaker.
Now tell players who sold A months ago that they are fucking dumb cause they sold a bad item, and tell people who kept item A for whatever reason they are good players, and suddenly you make hoarders.
You ever heard of the meme commonly made with RPG players of "Mass item hoarders" cause they refuse to sell ANYTHING incase it might be useful some day?
yeah, by having items useless, and then randomly adding uses to them later is how you make those, and that is a bad idea.
Honestly, it's irritating that people like you exist in this community because it makes actual reasonable discussion with the developers almost impossible when people like you clog up the conversation by throwing BabyRage temper tantrums about how you didn't get exactly what you wanted from them. Also, it's highly questionable how you say you've been playing this game for 15 years, but have somehow failed to realize that mechanics like this have existed since before WoW was even the most popular MMO out there. You're free to dislike the current system but calling anybody who tries to provide reasoning for the things Blizzard does or doesn't do a fucking shill, again, just makes you look incredibly silly.
Yes, but all items got upgraded the same amount.
here since it seems you dont understand the issue.
Mop upgrade system
Item A= ilvl 100
Item B=ilvl 150
Item B is obviously better, and now they added upgrading! each upgrade adds 10, and you can have 2 upgrades
Item A= ilvl 120
Item B=170
Item B is obviously still better!
Now we have this new upgrade system
Item A= 100
Item B=150
Now the upgrade system is added, with a cap of 200
Item A=200
Item B=200
suddenly they are tied, this item that before was worse, is suddenly equal to, or even possibly better then item B.
That could not happen with the MoP upgrades.
The new upgrade system makes all things equal.
The mop system equally upgraded all things
here is a good example of it, the Equality versus Equity diagram.
Mop was an equality upgrade, all items got the same upgrade, so items that were already strong stayed strong, while items that were weak stayed weak.
This new system is equity, it makes them all equal, so suddenly items that were better are now equal to all others, and items that were worse, are suddenly equal with all others.
THis in itself is not bad, but when it is done RETROACTIVLY isthere an issue.
Cause again, suddenly those items you sold months ago cause we didnt know there was going to be an upgrade system ,are now able to be upgraded, and oof too bad you sold them months ago!
- - - Updated - - -
How do you enforce that then?
"any items not equipped on your charecter upon this announcement, cannot be upgraded, any items restored cannot be upgraded, any items in yoru bank cannot be upgraded" etc.
The problem is, if they allow you to retroactivly upgrade gear, then people who hoarded gear are rewarded, while people who got rid of shit items cause they were shit, are punished.
No substantial portion of people are hoarding items that are clearly worse items, as far as 20+ item level as you've insinuated. So that is moot.
You are able to upgrade items you currently own. So use the item restoration before the patch, otherwise what you have going into the patch is what you can upgrade.
As opposed to snowflake clowns like you??? Yeh the game is in such a gud spot when Blizz is making changes off shills like you that don't even play the game. And you're sayin these mechanics have always existed??" What exactly are you talkin about here? Fuk off. Most people that ACTUALLY play the game are pissed about these bullshit decisions.
And how do you know that?
Especially since the item restoration tool exists, and i know everyone i know who is even slightly progression player instantly restored every single item in the item restore tool that was from M+ when it was announced, and kept every item that dropped until blizz announced you could not upgrade old items.
And guess what, what you just said is bullshit, cause the item resoration only goes back 30 days, and i can tell ya right now M+ has been around longer then 30 days.
so people who kept those items are rewarded while people who sold them are punished.
random jo shmo who wears 204's cause they are his best gear, even though he has 207's that are better ilvl gets rewarded, while the rest of us in 213/220 etc but not our best gear are punished cause we sold that random 207 we got that if upgraded would have been our BIS.
You seem to know all the answers without having any answers at all But they said so themselves didn't they? They didn't want you to farm and generally prepare the gear now in wait for it. I think we can all assume that the dangling carrot stick for making addicts keep doing what they've been doing for months to be the reason here.
Nice logical fallacy, brother.
Nobody on this forum has a more relevant opinion than anybody else. Simply because you occasionally type words in capital letters and use ad hominems to dismiss the opinions of anybody who disagrees with you does not mean that you're more right or your opposition is less right. It's ridiculous interactions like this which make actual legitimate, actionable feedback for developers difficult to find because people like you don't actually want to make any suggestions to the developers further than to tell them they're "wrong and retarded" and anybody who dares to think otherwise is an obvious shill.
37 + (3*7) + (3*7)W/L/T/Death count: Wolf: 0/1/0/1 | Mafia: 1/6/0/7 | TPR: 0/4/1/5SK: 0/1/0/1 | VT: 2/5/2/7 | Cult: 1/0/0/1
???
I literally just gave you all the answers (One is equity, one is equality, they are VERY different) and your response is "nu uh, anyways they are abusing addicts"
Alright then.
They didnt want people to farm gear now, and they didnt want people to abuse the item resoration system or even feel fucked because they sold an item that could be upgraded to be BIS over the time limit of item restoration.
- - - Updated - - -
1. so you agree we should have to start fresh
2. and meanwhile your spending weeks farming it, random people who already had it get to use it, leaving you in the dust.
Last edited by FelPlague; 2021-02-14 at 02:02 AM.
You are the one initially claiming it is. The burden of proof is on you. I'm saying that the average person is not saving low ilvl items that are clearly not upgrades and are useless as they are higher ilvl. There is no rational reason to do so. Your subjective experience is contributing to your confirmation bias.
Quote exactly what I said that is bullshit.
Who cares if some fringe case held onto a 183 quest item anyway. You do. To the point that you're against players being able to upgrade the current gear they own for your own selfish victimization. I'm done. Everyone reading can see both sides.
And
that
is
the
fucking
issue
that the "average person" is then punished for not having saved items they got months ago.
yes, because it is bullshit, end of, to add retroactive rewards. end of story.
Blizzard adds an exploit that allows you to farm millions of gold.
a couple people abuse it and it gets fixed
we ask for them to get punished and then you chime in with
"The average person did not use this exploit therefore it is ok"
no, speaking that anyone gets to abuse it, while the rest of us do not because we did not play the game in a manor against the norm is not fair.
The argument you use, is the same used by people who exploit in the game, it is an argument of "But them doing it doesent effect you!" no, but that they got a bonus that we did not, while they played the game against the norm and we did, is not fair.
Last edited by FelPlague; 2021-02-14 at 02:07 AM.
Look dude, I get that you're obviously emotional about this subject but what I've been saying from the beginning is the same: You'd be a lot less more likely to have the feedback you're providing acted upon by developers if you presented your concerns rationally, without emotion, and without calling the developers a bunch of names for no fucking reason. I know you'll respond to this by saying "they never listen anyway," but I don't think a game as big as WoW can ever truly say that it's listened to all feedback and it's frankly pretty unreasonable to expect that they do.