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  1. #321
    Quote Originally Posted by CostinR View Post
    I think it's important to try and salvage it from their point of view so they can make future movies.
    Yeah, it's not like they're actively making more movies or anything. Oh, wait. WW84 just came out and they're set to film Aquaman 2 this year. Never mind, this take was silly.

  2. #322
    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    Yeah, it's not like they're actively making more movies or anything. Oh, wait. WW84 just came out and they're set to film Aquaman 2 this year. Never mind, this take was silly.
    They've been "set to film" like a half-dozen movies since Justice League. I'm not sure I'd take that as a guarantee of much of anything.

  3. #323
    Quote Originally Posted by CostinR View Post
    I think it's important to try and salvage it from their point of view so they can make future movies.
    Nope. The company I work for did focus testing for Warner Media; not on this specifically, but I can't get into details. This ain't it though.
    "It's a big club. And you ain't in it. It is also the club they use to beat you with." - George Carlin

  4. #324
    Quote Originally Posted by s_bushido View Post
    They've been "set to film" like a half-dozen movies since Justice League. I'm not sure I'd take that as a guarantee of much of anything.
    Yeah, WW84 never happened!

  5. #325
    Quote Originally Posted by Beloren View Post
    Well I really enjoyed Man of Steel, most of the criticism seems to stem from the annoyance of the alterations to Superman's character. But IPs with large fanbases always carry that with them, new iterations will change things, and more devoted fans would hate some of those changes especially if they're socio-politically driven.

    I wouldn't be surprised if you'd find it did much better on average amongst the casual super hero fan base than the hardcore fans. Saying that, i totally understand the irritation with changing long standing character and personality attributes effectively telling these fans, this isn't my Super man or batman etc.

    Minus that, it was an enjoyable and interesting visualisation of an original fantasy (still being told over and over again)
    Yeah,i enjoyed it,im not completly sure why the dislike for it is so high as i have not looked in to detailed reviews,but my suspicion is that the tone for the character is very different,they made the film like a batman film,and not the campy kind rather the dark brooding one

  6. #326
    Quote Originally Posted by Evil Midnight Bomber View Post
    Well, It's going to be twice as long as the original version and all the reshoots Whedon did will be gone...so by that there should be a lot of material that's different from the theatrical release.

    But, exactly how different the core of the story is remains to be seen.
    The trailer just kinda seems all over the place. We’ll see how it goes, but I don’t think Synder is going to get the ”my cut is better than his cut” recognition that he’s seeking.
    Fairy tales are more than true – not because they tell us dragons exist, but because they tell us dragons can be beaten. -G. K. Chesterton & Neil Gaiman

  7. #327
    Quote Originally Posted by MrPaladinGuy View Post
    Ben Affleck is an alright Batman, Jared Leto should make an awesome Joker.

    Get at me
    I actually like Leto as Joker, tbh.
    Fairy tales are more than true – not because they tell us dragons exist, but because they tell us dragons can be beaten. -G. K. Chesterton & Neil Gaiman

  8. #328
    Quote Originally Posted by MrPaladinGuy View Post
    Ben Affleck is an alright Batman, Jared Leto should make an awesome Joker.

    Get at me
    I'll got at you with a kiss, I agree with tou 90% 'cause Affleck's Batmas in more than alright for me.

  9. #329
    Quote Originally Posted by Winter Blossom View Post
    The trailer just kinda seems all over the place. We’ll see how it goes, but I don’t think Synder is going to get the ”my cut is better than his cut” recognition that he’s seeking.
    I think its possible he gets the better cut. I just don't think it will be better enough to justify an extra 2 hours.

  10. #330
    So weird it was cut so much into one movie, and not two.

  11. #331
    Quote Originally Posted by MrPaladinGuy View Post
    Ben Affleck is an alright Batman, Jared Leto should make an awesome Joker.

    Get at me
    I’d love to see a Leto joker with a good script. He sure as hell didn’t have it in Suicide Squad and I’m betting he gets minor glossed-over bits in this movie. Some cool meme worthy lines and he’s done.

    I really feel like Snyder needs a partner, someone to work off of and reign him in when he goes off the deep end. First WW felt like 2/3 of a good movie Snyderized at the end. JL felt like a Snyder movie that someone tried to inject some fun and “these are super heroes” moments into. Right now I’m of the mindset that Whedon made the movie better. I’m up for being proven wrong, but I doubt that’ll happen. From what I read a few days ago there may be only about 30-60 minutes of footage from theatrical JL to Snyder JL.

  12. #332
    Quote Originally Posted by SavoirFaire View Post
    I’d love to see a Leto joker with a good script. He sure as hell didn’t have it in Suicide Squad and I’m betting he gets minor glossed-over bits in this movie. Some cool meme worthy lines and he’s done.

    I really feel like Snyder needs a partner, someone to work off of and reign him in when he goes off the deep end. First WW felt like 2/3 of a good movie Snyderized at the end. JL felt like a Snyder movie that someone tried to inject some fun and “these are super heroes” moments into. Right now I’m of the mindset that Whedon made the movie better. I’m up for being proven wrong, but I doubt that’ll happen. From what I read a few days ago there may be only about 30-60 minutes of footage from theatrical JL to Snyder JL.
    I think what we'll need to see is the Whedon Cut of the Snyder cut :P

  13. #333
    After all that said and done, I'd love to see Joss Whedon given carte blanche to make a JL movie.

  14. #334
    Quote Originally Posted by deenman View Post
    Yeah,i enjoyed it,im not completly sure why the dislike for it is so high as i have not looked in to detailed reviews,but my suspicion is that the tone for the character is very different,they made the film like a batman film,and not the campy kind rather the dark brooding one
    yes, i think that's it, because it felt different enough from the superman avid fans are use to.

    I'm not an avid fan, I haven't watched the majority of DC comics cartoons or films, so i wasn't annoyed at Superman's portrayal or the film's setting. however, i did pick up the very Batman'esque feel to it - but I don't hate the movie for that really, I mean a joint venture was always going to be in either Superman type brighter setting or the dark duskiness of batman, and as it's WB, I am not surprised at the dark feel - i mean look at their other titles.

    I did notice a common strand amongst most of the critics on here's comments about them, which was basically - it didn't feel like the usual superman. But i really liked Cavil in this role and I really liked the effects.. tbh, they made Superman feel a lot more realistic yet still Super.

  15. #335
    Quote Originally Posted by Beloren View Post
    I did notice a common strand amongst most of the critics on here's comments about them, which was basically - it didn't feel like the usual superman.
    The shift in tone would have been fine if they hadn't pretended they weren't doing it by including the Inspiring Jor-El Voiceovers.™ I'm sure there are plenty of ways that a more downbeat Superman could have worked, but they would have all required competent storytellers. Not storytellers that think Pa Kent letting himself get killed by a tornado for no reason is comparable to having him die of natural causes (something Clark literally cannot prevent with all his power).
    Last edited by s_bushido; 2021-02-17 at 05:05 AM.

  16. #336
    Quote Originally Posted by Beloren View Post
    yes, i think that's it, because it felt different enough from the superman avid fans are use to.

    I'm not an avid fan, I haven't watched the majority of DC comics cartoons or films, so i wasn't annoyed at Superman's portrayal or the film's setting. however, i did pick up the very Batman'esque feel to it - but I don't hate the movie for that really, I mean a joint venture was always going to be in either Superman type brighter setting or the dark duskiness of batman, and as it's WB, I am not surprised at the dark feel - i mean look at their other titles.

    I did notice a common strand amongst most of the critics on here's comments about them, which was basically - it didn't feel like the usual superman. But i really liked Cavil in this role and I really liked the effects.. tbh, they made Superman feel a lot more realistic yet still Super.
    well if nothing else they did land the visuals and feeling of power,all the previous superman live action movies were otrocious looking when hes flying or doing stuff,in this one its convincing,and yeah tehnology and budget was much better for this movie....but...lets not forget...star wars originals and jurasik park still hold out today with its effects

  17. #337
    Quote Originally Posted by deenman View Post
    well if nothing else they did land the visuals and feeling of power,all the previous superman live action movies were otrocious looking when hes flying or doing stuff,in this one its convincing,and yeah tehnology and budget was much better for this movie....but...lets not forget...star wars originals and jurasik park still hold out today with its effects
    Well Jurassic Park was made like 15 years after the Original Superman movie. And The original Star Wars Trilogy is actually comparably light on Special Effects. Mostly just spaceships flying through space. It's a lot easier to make a model spaceship look like it's flying through empty space than a living human flying through cities and country-sides.

  18. #338
    The trailer literally has the Joker saying "We live in a society...."

    I don't hold high hopes for anything from Zach Snyder....and I was okay with Man of Steel.

  19. #339
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    I dunno, people on the interwebz act like this 40 min extra footage will suddenly turn JL into a good movie. But last time I saw, it still shoves in a 3 new heroes w/o any prior background, CGI is abhorrent, everybody got a cube fixation etc. Bu hey, it has Darkseid, so it's a win, maybe?
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  20. #340
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    The Snyder DC films were OK. They were not great, and they had potential. Unfortunately, they never lived up to that potential. They could have done so much more with BvS, but didn't even have good special effects for Doomsday. WW, Aquaman, and Shazam have been the best of the DC movies so far, and, IMHO WW84 was mediocre at best.
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