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  1. #561
    Quote Originally Posted by Mojo03 View Post
    I don’t get how no one is talking about how the whole thing is in 4:3 format.

    Like wtf, really? You’re going to showcase this to the world in an IMAX format, exclusively on a streaming service, even though you shot it in widescreen and force us to watch it with black bars covering 1/3 of the screen for seemingly no reason.

    Just blows my mind.
    It was shot in the format you watched. The Whedon version actually put bars on the shots eliminating much of what was on the actual film. Hence the card at the beginning of the film stating as much...

  2. #562
    What a piece of shit that movie is.

    Over long. Over wrought. Over serious.
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  3. #563
    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    It was shot in the format you watched. The Whedon version actually put bars on the shots eliminating much of what was on the actual film. Hence the card at the beginning of the film stating as much...
    Weird that this article, with quotes from the DoP and director, say differently.

    “The film wasn’t actually shot with IMAX cameras, nor was it originally framed for the boxy aspect ratio”

    Furthermore, they actually state they went back and made the movie fit the 4:3 ratio for for the streaming version.

    So not only was it NOT shot that way, they intentionally went back and made it fit the 4:3 ratio.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.pol...box-look-on-tv

  4. #564
    Quote Originally Posted by MyWholeLifeIsThunder View Post
    "It's better than the Theatrical Version!" Is something we all should agree with. Let's be united by that <3
    Absolutely agree. I’d put this at mid tier DC movie now, and I can honestly say Whedon made it worse, so I’ll eat that plate of crow as Snyder cut works on some fronts. I went in expecting to hate it, made an effort not to hate watch it, and I certainly didn’t hate it. I think if I’d not seen what seemed to be about half the movie already I may have even enjoyed it more. Moreso if every single action scene didn’t drag out 2-3x longer than it should.

    Snyder just needs someone, some equal, to rein him in and we’d see some good shit out of him. I always compare him to Dan Akroyd, in that Akroyd is batshit crazy, but you pair him up and you can get some good stuff. Snyder just needs a buddy he can work with, and I honestly think he’d be great. On his own, well this movie is a great example, he just can’t control himself. He thinks a 4 hour film is ok? Give me a break.

    If all Snyder had to do was take the established characters and tell a story, instead of introducing half the cast, he may have made a compelling film. If I were at the helm of the DCCU, I’d do solo films, introduce characters, NOT kill villains, and the let Snyder play with all the toys and put together 2-3 bombastic team ups with 1/3 of a large justice league, and end it with a massive free for all JL vs Legion of Doom, that ends up with them teaming up to fight Darkseid (yeah, it’s been done, but not live action!) He can pull that shit off. Just don’t let him try to do character development. Action action action. Last 30 minutes of endgame just for 2 solid hours.

    Oh and for the love of God drop the damn desolate future shit. Save the cheerleader, I mean, Lois save the world.

  5. #565
    Quote Originally Posted by MyWholeLifeIsThunder View Post
    "It's better than the Theatrical Version!" Is something we all should agree with. Let's be united by that <3
    Its not. Its different than the theatrical version, but just as shitty.

    Actually an argument can be made that it is worse, considering it didn't;t have the impossible task of another director jumping into it half through and trying to make a cogent movie narratively and tonally, like the theatrical one did. Snyder had time, resources and the ability to make it as long as he wanted...and it still ended up garbage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bodakane View Post
    Its not. Its different than the theatrical version, but just as shitty..
    you can't rly say that, by all metrics the theatrical version was worse, just by having a better and more compelling character development and backstory for some of then already make this version better.

    not saying one is shit and other is good, is a rabbit hole i don't want to enter, but this version is straight up better.

  7. #567
    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post
    you can't rly say that, by all metrics the theatrical version was worse, just by having a better and more compelling character development and backstory for some of then already make this version better.

    not saying one is shit and other is good, is a rabbit hole i don't want to enter, but this version is straight up better.
    It has a better flow, probably mostly because it’s only his version he’s using, whereas Whedon was forced to use bits and pieces of 2 versions, with no prior experience with this DC universe and somehow make it work.

    Let’s also not forget Snyder had like 6 years to think about it and make this version and pretty much an entire extra year to edit.

    Without getting into the atrocious decision to make it 4:3 format, It’s still pretty much a shit movie, in my opinion, and especially bad considering how much extra time and effort he got with it, but to each his own.
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  8. #568
    Quote Originally Posted by Fencers View Post
    This is the incorrect understanding on your part again. Critics don't have to justify their opinion. The language you use still seems to come from a default position of critical reviews being a consumer guide.That is not necessarily it.
    I mean, I guess they don't have to, but they do. The critic gives a rating, then use a bunch of big words, often pretentious, to explain why they scored a movie the way they did. Which is what I'm calling, "justifying their position". If I said, "I like this thing, and here's why", that would be me rating it then justifying my rating.

    When a critic praises a movie that the general audience thinks is trash, or trashes a movie that the general audience enjoyed, I get curious how they defend/justify/explain their position. That's all I'm saying.
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  9. #569
    I liked it, want to see what he had to do for the next one. Much better ending in this.

  10. #570
    Quote Originally Posted by s_bushido View Post
    I don't understand this notion that critics must agree with audiences, otherwise they're doing it wrong. It's not their job to predict how the audience is supposed to feel about a movie... Do music critics get the same flack for pointing out that X pop song of the month is yet another formulaic, soulless, autotuned, 4 chords, over-produced mess?
    I would argue that the goal of a critic is to inform the public. The same reason there are professionals who critique restaurants, Broadway plays, etc. etc. The critic is supposed to be the professional who has a good eye and good taste to understand what is good & bad to the extent that they inform the audience what is enjoyable and what is not. I don't have the money or location to watch hardly any plays. So of the few plays I watch I rely on others to inform my decision on which to consume. I have to choose a new restaurant to eat at, I haven't eaten there before, so I rely on others to inform my decision on whether I should take a chance at eating there. I can't possibly make a decision before I've consumed the product, so I have no other choice than to either guess blindly or if I want a better chance at enjoying the product, look to what others have said about their experiences, which helps inform the decision I will make on whether or not to consume that product.

    So to that end, if the professional critics are almost always at odds at what I find enjoyable, meaning they primarily recommend I watch movies that I do not enjoy and tell me I should not watch movies that I do enjoy, I would ask, "what's the purpose of a critic"?
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  11. #571
    Quote Originally Posted by korijenkins View Post
    Your opinion on a film can evolve over time. That 3 might've become a 2 or 1.5 by 2021 and with reflection on the original film.

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    The contrived manner in which the boxes are "woken" bothered me immediately.

    Why didn't they wake up at the end of Man of Steel when Superman screamed after killing Zod?
    They woke because they sensed Superman's death, not his scream.

  12. #572
    Quote Originally Posted by Aurrora View Post
    They woke because they sensed Superman's death, not his scream.
    so those visible shockwaves accompanying the faint scream that got way WAY too much screen time and attention/notice from various characters to be accidental - were... what exactly?

  13. #573
    Quote Originally Posted by rogueMatthias View Post
    If they feel they need to pause it for a while or can't sit through it all in one sitting that's already a fail.
    It's got six parts and an epilogue, if it helps think of it as a Justice League streaming series. It works for the medium it was delivered in, if it was a theatrical release I'm sure they would have shaved the runtime down for people with shorter attention spans and smaller bladders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Witchblade77 View Post
    so those visible shockwaves accompanying the faint scream that got way WAY too much screen time and attention/notice from various characters to be accidental - were... what exactly?
    Superman's dying scream, they didn't awaken for just any scream.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mojo03 View Post
    It has a better flow, probably mostly because it’s only his version he’s using, whereas Whedon was forced to use bits and pieces of 2 versions, with no prior experience with this DC universe and somehow make it work.

    Let’s also not forget Snyder had like 6 years to think about it and make this version and pretty much an entire extra year to edit.

    Without getting into the atrocious decision to make it 4:3 format, It’s still pretty much a shit movie, in my opinion, and especially bad considering how much extra time and effort he got with it, but to each his own.
    Right, again, im not entering in the shenanigans of "if its shit or not", im saying it is, straight up, a better version, regardless of the variables.

  15. #575
    ive decided that the best scene was when they are rushing to get to cyborgs dad before he gets tortured and gives away the box location or whatever and they walk up 12 flights of stairs.

  16. #576
    I liked it a lot, way better than whatever it was that we got in 2017. Better than most Marvel garbage we've gotten.

    Still, at 4 hours this would've never worked in theatres. I can't really blame Zack either for it, I put most of the blame with WB for not having a god damn plan in place and launching an ensemble movie after only 2-3 movies. 'End Game' worked so well because there was a decade of buildup (even if it was often of questionable quality).

    Finally, I still think it would've worked better if they released it as a mini-series, instead of one long cut. Even viewing it at home, 4 hours is just too damn long.
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  17. #577
    Quote Originally Posted by Witchblade77 View Post
    does it disrupt police force? does it disrupt other countries? does it disrupt judicial proceedings outside of London to a degree that could be considered being throw several centuries back in civilization's development?
    1. Yes, legal proceedings being disrupted/vaporized has serious consequences on police activity, starting by warrants and court summons not being issued over destroyed evidence/dead witnesses to trials not taking place.
    2. Again, yes, since the legal proceedings can be dealing with people and companies from other countries. The proceedings halted or worse foreign citizens being blown up is disruptive.
    3. Yes and no. Yes, it disrupts legal proceedings in just about every part of England, and can set judicial proceedings back for months to years. But no, not centuries.

    And i am only talking about blowing up the Royal Courts, and not the surrounding buildings like the Inns of Court (all barristers must belong to one of them, further disrupting legal proceedings), the High Commission of Australia (the diplomatic mission of Australia in the United Kingdom), and other important institutions.
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  18. #578
    Quote Originally Posted by Ivanstone View Post
    Justice League. Man of Steel. BvS.
    Can you provide any substantive evidence that Snyder’s production went over budget? I specifically mention his production given how much they reshot Justice League without him and to the detriment of the film. If not, let’s agree that you’re lying.
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  19. #579
    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post
    you can't rly say that, by all metrics the theatrical version was worse, just by having a better and more compelling character development and backstory for some of then already make this version better.

    not saying one is shit and other is good, is a rabbit hole i don't want to enter, but this version is straight up better.
    Its not. It's worse. There was no real character development at all and that was supposedly what the bloated run time was for. There's no metrics that say this was better.
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  20. #580
    Quote Originally Posted by Valkyrst View Post
    Can you provide any substantive evidence that Snyder’s production went over budget? I specifically mention his production given how much they reshot Justice League without him and to the detriment of the film. If not, let’s agree that you’re lying.
    His movies cost a fuck of a lot more than most comparable movies and for what purpose? Aquaman cost much less and transported us to an "alien" world. Avengers 3/4 cost a little more but it was much bigger in scope. The worst part is we already know that Snyder can shoot a cheeper movie but didn't. JL/BVS in particular look worse than 300.

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