View Poll Results: Who lands the killing blow

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  • Thrall

    5 1.54%
  • Tyrande

    116 35.69%
  • DK Anduin

    33 10.15%
  • Sylvanas kills herself to deny them justice

    70 21.54%
  • Bolvar

    5 1.54%
  • Player Character

    21 6.46%
  • Jaina

    1 0.31%
  • Baine

    6 1.85%
  • Zovaal

    45 13.85%
  • Arthas

    18 5.54%
  • Ysera

    5 1.54%
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  1. #381
    She won't die - that's the bigger elephant in the room.

  2. #382
    Quote Originally Posted by Yarathir View Post
    I'm still waiting for Arthas to willingly ally himself with the Jailer, tbf.
    Are you sure she WILLINGLY ally herself ? Asking for friend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Council View Post
    as i will point out again.
    Arthas did worse and people want to redeem him
    Arthas was a pawn of greater powers he didn't understand. Sylvannas knows exactly what she's doing and who's she's sided with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Depakote View Post
    Arthas was a pawn of greater powers he didn't understand. Sylvannas knows exactly what she's doing and who's she's sided with.
    She doesn't seem to understand anything. Why allying herself with the guy who is ultimately responsible for her personal ordeal? Why further empowering him, and voluntarily so, on top? That would be some epic Titanforged levels of masochism.
    Quote Originally Posted by Super Dickmann View Post
    The Jailer's first ever appearance involved chucking him [Baine] off a cliff for being too shit to even qualify as a Maw trash mob.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soon-TM View Post
    She doesn't seem to understand anything. Why allying herself with the guy who is ultimately responsible for her personal ordeal? Why further empowering him, and voluntarily so, on top? That would be some epic Titanforged levels of masochism.
    Because she sees herself as a victim and that by burning Darnassus that she was setting them free from an unjust system when in reality it was only her flawed point of view that she was imposing on others. It's typical victim complex.

  6. #386
    Quote Originally Posted by Soon-TM View Post
    She doesn't seem to understand anything. Why allying herself with the guy who is ultimately responsible for her personal ordeal? Why further empowering him, and voluntarily so, on top? That would be some epic Titanforged levels of masochism.
    Unironically Sylvanas being a masochist who's into this for fetish-related reasons would be more charitable to the character. Compare the likely canonical version of her just being a mouthbreathing moron who inexplicably trusts the Devil despite him living in a giant spiky tower torturing guilty and innocent alike and employing the same people who got her to this point in the first place. At least that version has some agency.
    Dickmann's Law: As a discussion on the Lore forums becomes longer, the probability of the topic derailing to become about Sylvanas approaches 1.

  7. #387
    Quote Originally Posted by Ardenaso View Post
    to be fair Danath Trollbane has returned and assumed control
    a bit of story progression from the same school of thought as the dev's sylvanas bits and the Silverhand orderhall split that wasn't mentioned. Stromgarde was taken over by undead and then purged and then somehow used as a neutral meeting area to see another massacre before it's later use as a warfront base with alternating leadership.

  8. #388
    Tyrande, Sylvanas killing herself to spite us, and DK Anduin in descending order is about what I expected too. Though Tyrande got the Nathanos kill.

    Still want my headcanon of using the powers of the afterlife, rezzing her repeatedly so everyone she's slighted can get in line. The night elves can have her blood to write that peace treaty if my forsaken forsaken can eat her brains.
    Quote Originally Posted by Daevelian View Post
    So this is how far the Lore forum has fallen? Eesh.
    I take it back, BfA is not the lowest the games lore could have gone, this thread proves that.
    Quote Originally Posted by Aucald View Post
    And just like the thread before it, let's back away from sexualizing Azshara and return to the original topic at hand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Powerogue View Post
    my forsaken forsaken can eat her brains.
    I guess that dude/dudette is going to starve, poor thing. Sylv's brain must be the size of a pea - assuming she even has one.
    Quote Originally Posted by Super Dickmann View Post
    The Jailer's first ever appearance involved chucking him [Baine] off a cliff for being too shit to even qualify as a Maw trash mob.

  10. #390
    Quote Originally Posted by fakaroonie View Post
    Either retire her as a trapped soul forever or just have Zappyboi kill her. FOR SAURFANG!
    Killing Saurfang was the most just and noble thing she ever did in her existance though. Saurfang was a monster without empathy or reasoning. He literally murdered children because he thought it brings him honor.

  11. #391
    Quote Originally Posted by Diaphin View Post
    Killing Saurfang was the most just and noble thing she ever did in her existance though. Saurfang was a monster without empathy or reasoning. He literally murdered children because he thought it brings him honor.
    People change, she killed an embittered veteran with a rekindled hope for the future of the Horde who was fighting to protect both factions, including her own loyalists, from destruction at the hands of her dark allies.

    Context is fuuuun!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soon-TM View Post
    I guess that dude/dudette is going to starve, poor thing. Sylv's brain must be the size of a pea - assuming she even has one.
    I think he already is, the poor lad is all skin and bone. His jaw dropped when Sylvanas betrayed him. Dropped right to the floor.
    Quote Originally Posted by Daevelian View Post
    So this is how far the Lore forum has fallen? Eesh.
    I take it back, BfA is not the lowest the games lore could have gone, this thread proves that.
    Quote Originally Posted by Aucald View Post
    And just like the thread before it, let's back away from sexualizing Azshara and return to the original topic at hand.

  12. #392
    Quote Originally Posted by Powerogue View Post
    People change, she killed an embittered veteran with a rekindled hope for the future of the Horde who was fighting to protect both factions, including her own loyalists, from destruction at the hands of her dark allies.

    Context is fuuuun!
    He literally planned a war which was right from the beginning designed to be a genocide, though he thought they would "just" commit genocide on the night elves through permanently destroying them as a nation. At most Months before his death. He never expressed remorse for the genocides he commited, the most we saw him do was a self-centered manpain pity show. He deserved his death and killing him was probably the most noble thing Sylvanas ever did.

    And tbh, I hope Sylvanas survives. She at least has the redeeming qualities to be an entertaining character. Interacting with her literally improves Anduin as a character, compared to anything we saw prior with him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tromage2 View Post
    Baine is not independent, we need to safe him from death almost every exp pack and in WC3 aswell.
    Thrall is also not independent he is crying on every turn and needs people to tell him what to do and get his act together.

    Just two Horde main characters that are not independent but weak.
    Damn...

    Sylvanas and Jaina aren't independent either, with that logic.

  14. #394
    Anduin for sure. I mean the writing is pretty much on the wall at this point. They are trying to recreate the Arthas/Sylvanas story with Anduin instead.

  15. #395
    The two things pulling against each other here, as I’ve said elsewhere, are the effort of altering existing forsaken voice lines that have iconically worshiped Sylvanas since forever Vs the utter mess that would be validating the toxic underbelly of players that insist on playing actual villains in what is unquestionably a heroic story.

    I don’t know which side this is going to fall on, but one of those two factors is not going to fit well with whatever happens. Sylvanas can’t “win” here because that would just be a catastrophic message and a failure of storytelling, but they are not going to delete “dark lady watch over you/victory for Sylvanas” from the game.
    Last edited by Omedon; 2021-03-07 at 11:08 AM.

  16. #396
    Quote Originally Posted by Omedon View Post
    but they are not going to delete “dark lady watch over you/victory for Sylvanas” from the game.
    They had no problem with Nightborne in BfA having lines like "Elisande be with you" or whatever it was in english.

  17. #397
    Quote Originally Posted by bagina View Post
    Sylvanas
    (loudly, impatiently)

    ENOUGH!

    Sylvanas exists stage left


    For real though, WoW will cease to exist to me when Sylvanas dies.
    You said when instead of if she dies, are you preparing yourself emotionally?
    Bwonsamdi says: Bring me de head of de Horde's warchief, and I be forgettin' all about ya father's bargain.

    Bwonsamdi for warchief!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ophenia View Post
    They had no problem with Nightborne in BfA having lines like "Elisande be with you" or whatever it was in english.
    But NB are ultimately expendable fluff for one expansion, despite some crazy elf fans' spam in these boards. They are in no way as important or iconic to the game (as a whole) as the Forsaken, who have been playable since freaking Vanilla, and whose society was structured around Sylvanas in an odd interdependence of sorts. They worshipped her because she had liberated them from the Scourge, not because of some ridiculous totalitarian regime.

    That's basically what when you apply heavy handed retcons just in order to create cheap drama, as was the case with Sylvanas in Before the Storm.
    Last edited by Soon-TM; 2021-03-08 at 02:42 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Super Dickmann View Post
    The Jailer's first ever appearance involved chucking him [Baine] off a cliff for being too shit to even qualify as a Maw trash mob.

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    Who lands the killing blow?

    No one. She will be deafeated but not killed imo. Redemption in 3,2,1...

  20. #400
    Quote Originally Posted by bagina View Post
    This retarded meme has gone on for too long. What the fuck does that even mean? No, really? In WoW's context? In WoW men and women were always equally strong. Gender was never an issue. WoW women were always "strong and independent" as you put it, as in, just as capable as men. You have a problem with that, of all things? Because a female character shoots powerful lasers? No one seemed to care 15 years ago.

    How the fuck is any WoW female "strong and independent" in the SJW way? They all have husbands/male lovers, often have children, are very traditional and a family oriented. They never make a big deal out of being women, they don't act like they're worse off with men. Literally where are you seeing this? People need to spend less time on the internet and stop looking at everything through buzzword lenses. What the fuck.
    It means he's a lonely sexist dweeb

    Infracted.
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