Sylvanas Windrunner Raid Boss: The Big Elephant in the Room

[Ezyah]

You really believe she will be killed ? AH !

"Heroes, you put my HP to 5% now i see my wrongdoing"

[turboether]

She has about as much chance of dying as Tyrande does to the Night Warrior curse.

Aka, nil.

[loras]

You really believe she will be killed ? AH !

"Heroes, you put my HP to 5% now i see my wrongdoing"

And then Baine comes along and *bonks* her out of existence.

[Verdugo]

And then Baine comes along and *bonks* her out of existence.

Baine will be too busy being useless.

[vashe9]

I hope (and am almost sure) they won't kill her

[mysticx]

It would be awesome if Tyrande bumps off Sylvanas (Closure to the whole Teldrassil-storyline and all), so knowing Blizz, that won't happen, no way to tell what *will* happen though, being popular didn't save Arthas or Illidan from being removed from the story, so saying "She's popular, so Sylvanas will stay" doesn't quite cut it either...

[ClassicPeon]

they need to be careful here

WoW will be dead for many if this char goes

very old players are very bored with the game and any reason to quit will make them quit

Does this forum really need a #SpeakForYourself?

Why do people presume to speak for others.

Do they think it makes their opinions more valid if others supposedly agree with them?

[Verdugo]

Does this forum really need a #SpeakForYourself?

Why do people presume to speak for others.

Do they think it makes their opinions more valid if others supposedly agree with them?

Pot, kettle, etc.

[Syegfryed]

who cares who it is, as long the characters free us from Sylvanus for good?

It could be an ambulance for all i care, just erase her for the narrative and put an end to it.

[Bwonsamdi the Dead]

Honestly, it'd be ironic if Arthas does it again. But She'll probably just jump off the Maw or something

[Zuben]

With all her 4D chess mastery it would be clumsy to go out as a raid boss. I think she will survive and will meet her fate in some other occasion. Perhaps even Vader it out in the final moments.

[Fleugen]

But by god do I hope they off Sylvanas. Redemption arc being teased or no it would just be a gross injustice on the art of writing in general, not ot mention her character arc.

I don't get why people consider this a "tease" of a redemption arc.

Sylvanas has always "teased" a redemption arc. It's called "being an anti-hero/anti-villain." Illidan, the Anti-hero, always made the right choice even when it made him, specifically, look evil - That's what an anti-hero does, they act non-heroically/villainously while accomplishing heroic deeds. No one would deny Illidan is a hero - But he's not a hero in the sense that Anduin or Thrall is a hero. He's an Anti-hero.

Sylvanas is an anti-villain. She has always made the "heroic" decision, even while accomplishing evil deeds. No one would call Sylvanas a "Hero", nor would they currently call her a "villain" - But just like Illidan, ultimately, appears as a hero despite multiple evil acts in getting to his heroic deed, Sylvanas will, ultimately, appear as a villain despite multiple heroic acts in getting to this evil deed.

She's mulled about SEVERAL evil endgames throughout the years as an undead, from killing and raising all of Stormwind as undead, to extinguishing all hope/life in the universe, and now to ending the entire cycle of life and death by releasing the Jailer - None of these goals can be argued as heroic, not even relatively so.

Why does anyone believe she's suddenly going to about face? She has no redemption potential. She has no redeeming qualities. Her being confronted by Anduin just reaffirms that she's not backing down - And the fact that she ultimately DID make Anduin the next Lich King as she was ordered seals her fate.

What do I think is going to happen?

I think she didn't force Anduin to serve the Jailer, and he will ultimately fight back as a free willed undead. Which is an even stupider plot twist after she literally planned to force Daelin to work as a sleeper agent against Jaina. She didn't have morals at all in BfA, but IF they plan to give her a "redemption" it's not going to redeem her, it's just going to show that she acted as she always has - Shitty, and willing to bring about terrible actions, but not willing to take peoples autonomy away as Arthas did to her. (Which is why the Daelin thing is such a conundrum. They ALREADY had her take people's autonomy away and she had no issue with it. Why is it an issue that she has to take Anduin's autonomy away in this case?)

[Soulwind]

I think she will almost redeem herself, and then the Jailer will squish her.

People who want evil Sylvanas to pay can enjoy that, and people who wanted her to become a hero can think that she would have, had it not been for the bigger bad guy.

And Tyrande will silently fade into irrelevance once again.

[Nyel]

Yeah, I'm sure she won't get killed so this poll is pointless. They will do the same as they did with Azshara in 8.2.

[Fleugen]

And Tyrande will silently fade into irrelevance once again.

The sad part is - I think most people agree with this general sentiment.

It sucks - But I also don't want her getting the kill shot. While it will fit with her arc for her to get it, they are definitely going to milk this Night Warrior thing longer than they already have, and putting Tyrande on the backburner for what should be her kill shot is definitely a way to keep that going.

[Soulwind]

The sad part is - I think most people agree with this general sentiment.

It sucks - But I also don't want her getting the kill shot. While it will fit with her arc for her to get it, they are definitely going to milk this Night Warrior thing longer than they already have, and putting Tyrande on the backburner for what should be her kill shot is definitely a way to keep that going.

I'd rather have that than her getting revenge and then turning into yet another a maniac that we have to put down.

[Fleugen]

I'd rather have that than her getting revenge and then turning into yet another a maniac that we have to put down.

But that's precisely what is happening by her NOT getting the killshot.

Now she's going to stew in the hatred. She has no closure. She is going to continue to stew and generate problems for the Alliance because she has no closure against the wrong done to her people.

Her NOT getting the kill shot is what will drive her further down into madness. Not the other way around. Her killing Sylvanas would, presumably, sate her rage for a time potentially, or if nothing else finally offer her the chance to grieve the loss of Teldrassil after having her moment ("The hunter is nothing without the hunt." - I kind of suspect, if she DOES get the kill shot, that we'll see Maiev and her have a conversation not long after. They've always had a strained relationship, but now she's in Maiev's shoes.) - Her NOT getting the kill shot guarantees she will not be sated, ever, as she has nothing left to turn her rage against and no closure - and will turn further into the Night Warrior power, allowing it to influence her even more than it already does.

[Aucald]

I'm currently of the mind that we'll winnow Sylvanas down to X% and then she'll attempt to ghost out, all the while prattling on about how we're rabble who don't understand her grand goal or what have you - only for the corrupted Shalamayne to erupt out of her midsection as the newly-minted Domination Anduin runs her through at the Jailer's behest. She'll die betrayed by her once-benefactor and with the understanding that she created the means of her final death and subsequent replacement.

[geco]

Becoming a maniac would not be bad.
If in return they give us a felt expansion in how the Kaldorei progress and gain territory. Something similar to Garrosh.

With an ending something like "or if we are very sorry." But we are not going to give him back any territory nor are we going to create these new military units and these new Monsters.

[MatPandaZ]

Didn't they specifically say we had an 'encounter' with sylv? I don't think it will be us vs her as such, but maybe like gunships or other indirect battles. Perhaps we fight anduin to reclaim his soul, pass, and that twinkle of hope in Sylv's eye grows ten times that day that if he can be saved, then so can she.