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  1. #721
    Quote Originally Posted by Lollis View Post
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    TBC Levelling shat on Vanilla and while I don't particularly like many of the questlines for Cataclysm, the process is a marked improvement especially on Vanilla Azeroth.
    My super unpopular opinion here, but my ideal version of wow is cataclysm zones/quests/class balance but vanilla (aka pre-squish talent points) talent trees and a level 60 cap. (So obviously no Hyjal, Twilight Highlands or Uldum)

  2. #722
    Quote Originally Posted by czarek View Post
    That is not a really skip its more or less take a position in right place or go slack behind us.
    ???
    "It's not a skip, but those people that aren't partaking in it will be behind", the logical consequence of not using a skip is being behind.

    Seriously, do you even process your own arguements or you just write them out with every logical contradiction included and that obvious?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kralljin View Post
    ???
    "It's not a skip, but those people that aren't partaking in it will be behind", the logical consequence of not using a skip is being behind.

    Seriously, do you even process your own arguements or you just write them out with every logical contradiction included and that obvious?
    No im facerolling random words.

  4. #724
    Quote Originally Posted by czarek View Post
    No im facerolling random words.
    Well, at least you're aware of this issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kralljin View Post
    Well, at least you're aware of this issue.
    I know you will arguing anything i would to explain. There is no reason to continue this clueless discuss.

  6. #726
    Quote Originally Posted by czarek View Post
    I know you will arguing anything i would to explain. There is no reason to continue this clueless discuss.
    When people defeat their own arguements, then i can't think of a better name for it than "clueless discuss".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kralljin View Post
    When people defeat their own arguements, then i can't think of a better name for it than "clueless discuss".
    Oh thats what im takin about xD LOL. Sometimes is better to pass it over than go deep in trash talk. I saw ur other posts in other threads ur that one person that always got right and know better. Cheers have a good life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kukkamies View Post
    Is time not power? To me time is the biggest power out there. Being 70lvl and geared 130-150 hours before others is very significant to me. By the time non-boosted get there the boosted are finished with the game.

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    What is your definition of p2w? Because obviously it's not the common one

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    You get to 70 and gear 130 hours faster than those who didn't pay. So do you have an advantage? Imagine if every week you would get a new more powerful item. The ones who didn't boost could never play pvp with ones that did. Luckily there are time gates and limits, so they can catch up after few weeks.
    But by that logic, you also mean its unfair that people are lvl 60 with full naxx gear, cuz they will clear stuff faster than a fresh dinged lvl 60 with greens, they will get to 70 faster and get gear faster... right?

  9. #729
    Quote Originally Posted by Lollis View Post
    "Super fast"

    The 2.3 levelling nerf was only like 18% or so. Post 2.3 levelling in Azeroth was still shit, just not quite as shit as pre 2.3 levelling. The main change to the levelling process in 2.3 was the reduction of elites and slightly reduced emphasis on grouping and having to run around like a fucking idiot between zones to complete a single questline because you could actually stay a little longer and get some dings going.

    Regardless on how I dislike some of the quests in general, for 1-70:

    Cataclysm Rehash Levelling (1-60) > TBC Levelling (58-70) >>> Post Nerf Azeroth (1-60) >>>> Pre Nerf Azeroth (1-60)

    TBC Levelling shat on Vanilla and while I don't particularly like many of the questlines for Cataclysm, the process is a marked improvement especially on Vanilla Azeroth.
    So you dont know what you are talking about.

    It was a 15% XP reduction from 20-60
    Quests also gave more XP.
    And as you Said a lot of elite/group quests were nerfed.
    Dungeons in vanilla was nerfed and dropped better loot.

    If you cant see how much of an impact this does.......


    I lvled most of my characters in TBC after the XP patch and it was like flying.

  10. #730
    Quote Originally Posted by Rageadon View Post
    But by that logic, you also mean its unfair that people are lvl 60 with full naxx gear, cuz they will clear stuff faster than a fresh dinged lvl 60 with greens, they will get to 70 faster and get gear faster... right?
    They put hours of gametime into it instead of real money. Not sure if it's unfair with that. It's still stupid for new players of course with pretty ruined economy. Personally I won't play until there's fresh realms without boost. Pretty sure they'll make fresh realms at least to manage pop, just gotta hope some are no boost allowed.

  11. #731
    Quote Originally Posted by Zeanix View Post
    This is just shameful. They are exploiting children who just wants to pay2win.

    Wow is truly gone.
    Lol you think there are children playing this game? The only people playing this old ass game are old ass men.

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    Love the fact that the OP says it's BLIZZARD... yet you do realize that they are owned by Activision. If activision wants a boost for something, well you damn well know they are gonna get it. So don't ask blizzard if they have no shame. Cause they are just doing what Activision tells them to do.

    Now I will say this. I can see why people are so upset about boosts for classic. but then again, I don't think it's anything to cry about. It's 1 per account. You can't use it on Draenei or Blood elves, You are only getting your 40 mount, and you get blues. That's about it. And tbh. I can't blame people for wanting to get to 58 and get ready for Outland. Considering no one on my server does low dungeons anymore and only want boosts (And this is apparently happening on other servers as well.) it makes things worse.

    On the plus side though. it's not like it's gonna be hard to get to 60 when the prepatch drops. If what I am hearing is correct, when tbc prepatch happened before, Blizz shortened the xp you needed. so it's a bit faster. That and classes are much stronger. Sooo It's obviously and completely optional. We also don't know how much the boost is gonna be as of yet. If it's anything over 40$, it's probably not even worth it.

    My 2 cents on it. Also feel like OP is trying to bait a little. but that's just me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Season2mask View Post
    Who cares that it's not on retail? It's worse, it's on classic...where progression is supposed to mean something. Now you can just buy your way to 50 and even get a mount. Sickening, really.

    Totally anti-classic ethos.
    Dude, it is 2021, people has got al life. Besides, they are doing it at the "end of classic". I don´t see how it affect nearly anyone at all. If something, you should be happy as this will bring on more players, specially those who simply can not afford to spend hours leveling, as amazing as it was in classic.

  14. #734
    Quote Originally Posted by shise View Post
    Dude, it is 2021, people has got al life. Besides, they are doing it at the "end of classic". I don´t see how it affect nearly anyone at all. If something, you should be happy as this will bring on more players, specially those who simply can not afford to spend hours leveling, as amazing as it was in classic.
    It being {CURRENT YEAR} is irrelevant. People had lives back then as well. I played with plenty of people in TBC, who managed to level to 70 and play the game without a boost, that were married/had children/had jobs/whatever argument you can think of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Askyl View Post
    So you dont know what you are talking about.

    It was a 15% XP reduction from 20-60
    Quests also gave more XP.
    And as you Said a lot of elite/group quests were nerfed.
    Dungeons in vanilla was nerfed and dropped better loot.

    If you cant see how much of an impact this does.......


    I lvled most of my characters in TBC after the XP patch and it was like flying.
    And I levelled characters both before and after the TBC nerf, and before and after every subsequent change too.

    This magical "super fast" that you talk about didn't exist. The TBC nerf helped yes, but it wasn't anywhere close to making it super fast, it was still a shit multi-day experience until Cataclysm implemented the quest overhaul.
    Speciation Is Gradual

  16. #736
    I still don't understand why anyone is upset. Players got what they want, now they are mad that people who ONLY WANT TO PLAY TBC get to play ONLY TBC? Sounds petty.

  17. #737
    Quote Originally Posted by RedBrood View Post
    I still don't understand why anyone is upset. Players got what they want, now they are mad that people who ONLY WANT TO PLAY TBC get to play ONLY TBC? Sounds petty.
    Some people consider that back then TBC was an actual expansion, meaning the 1-60 world was still relevant and part of the experience. They are unhappy with the way it's now packaged as a contained thing like retail expansions, which are more seasonal content.

  18. #738
    Quote Originally Posted by Season2mask View Post
    HAHAHA. Fucking hell Blizzard, have you no shame? Let's start off TBC with allowing people to boost and buy a mount...that's unthinkable. Only Blizzard.
    Good. None of my friends that are adults would jobs would be able to level in under 3 months and I'd have to wait for them. By then half the game would be cleared.

    FFS I'm a purist and even I know restarting for new people is a bad idea. If you wanna do boring classic pve more play classic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Koward View Post
    Some people consider that back then TBC was an actual expansion, meaning the 1-60 world was still relevant and part of the experience. They are unhappy with the way it's now packaged as a contained thing like retail expansions, which are more seasonal content.
    How is a one time boost ruining the world for them. Its not obligatory.

  20. #740
    Quote Originally Posted by keelr View Post
    How is a one time boost ruining the world for them. Its not obligatory.
    Less people to play with for a part of the content. Also, I've seen multiple persons who consider it a bit of a waste to "skip" content instead of improving it or making it faster, which would have been another option for Blizzard.

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