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  1. #81
    You're leveling a new character during a time when most of the rest of the playerbase are doing relatively new expansion content. Additionally, you can level in any expansion area, so leveling characters are spread out across all eras of WoW.

    Once you hit 50, you'll start seeing a lot more people leveling. Once you hit 60, nearly everywhere you go will be filled with other players.
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  2. #82
    The political situation right now is horrible. My wife and I quit our long-time guild just so we wouldn't have to interact with anyone.

    If it wasn't possible to play the game solo, we wouldn't be playing right now at all.

    25% of people are fascists, and 25% are enablers of fascism. We are the scapegoat. Given these odds, we prefer to not interact with anyone at all.

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  4. #84
    Quote Originally Posted by Afrospinach View Post
    Ugh.

    I am playing classic right now. This canned "nostalgia goggles" comment that you use as a replacement for your own constructive thoughts is something that does not work anymore, you know, with classic being live and all that. Think about it but don't hurt yourself mate.

    So you are on a shit server with shit people in classic? Boo hoo. There is an anonymity aspect to retail that makes consequences of antisocial behaviour irrelevant. This is not a new thing. This is not an even online thing. Even people driving cars behave like assholes because of the perceived degree of separation they have with their peers. You act like an a-hole in classic there are actual consequences and wow does that improve things a lot.

    Sure, there are a hell of a lot more pragmatists in classic than there were vanilla by a country mile, there are things done in classic to a degree that were never done in vanilla. On my server at least this has increased co operation with others, not reduced it.



    Oh um, yeeeeeaah.

    I was super confused by the internet when it came out. What was generating all these posts on forums with opinions and shit. Said no one, ever. Before online gaming there were plenty of forums. They were also more pleasant than now. Why has online interaction gone right down the shitter? why has trolling become acceptable in light of what you describe as some kind of "awakening" to the realities of online interactions(still kinda laughing at this btw)?. Are people just becoming more assholish? Or is there a generation out there really getting every inch worth of this anonymity and freedom from consequences. You can call me ignorant all you want but I think the one thing we can be sure of is that you clearly do not have a fucking clue either lol.
    Stop this bs already.

    Classic has been out for a while.
    Your actions have just as many consequences as they have in retail: literally fucking zero.

    Also, this has shit to do with the actual topic so we can conlude that you also failed at reading.

    To the second part: you literally said nothing.
    Nothing 'went down the shitter".
    I bet you are one of those wierdos on Argent Dawn or something trying to talk about your life in an online MMO while the actual players try to play the actual game.

    Your "but I wanna be more social" group of people are a fringe minority. Actual players who do actual content do not care about your small-talk bs.
    This has been proven over and over.
    You can go to whichever version of WoW you want and see it for yourself.

    This is because people went from experiencing the game to playing the game.
    The internet is a very useful tool when you need information.
    Whiel before you would talk to people to find out where the 5 bear asses dropped now you don't need to.
    In fact, you look dumb trying to ask something like that.
    For one simple reason: the internet is there for you to use. Every single piece of info you would ever need is there for you to research.

    It doesn't matter what you want. Your bullshit small-talk chit-chat social interactions are not needed, nobody cares.
    You can't unmake the past 15-20 years of progress and this is what it is, progress.

  5. #85
    Quote Originally Posted by VoidSeeker199X View Post
    What has happend that the game became so asocial?
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  6. #86
    Quote Originally Posted by VoidSeeker199X View Post
    I'm currently leveling a new character after I quit mid Legion and just reached level 40 the other day. In these 40 levels I had zero interactions with other players and saw maybe one other player in the zone I was in. The world chat is dead and all you see in trade chat is people spaming their boost adverts. This can hardly be called an MMO anymore. Now you could say: "Just play Classic then". And I tried that and it's even worse. Good luck finding people that are willing to do quests or run a dungeon normally. What has happend that the game became so asocial?
    Well... people play endgame? There aren't that many new WoW players around and most veterans already had they characters leveled in Legion/BfA so they only need to do last 10-15 lvls. Anyway, find a guild.

  7. #87
    Quote Originally Posted by Elodeon View Post
    The political situation right now is horrible. My wife and I quit our long-time guild just so we wouldn't have to interact with anyone.

    If it wasn't possible to play the game solo, we wouldn't be playing right now at all.

    25% of people are fascists, and 25% are enablers of fascism. We are the scapegoat. Given these odds, we prefer to not interact with anyone at all.
    wtf are you talking about?

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    Quote Originally Posted by VoidSeeker199X View Post
    I know it's the playerbase and it's making me sad. It's just not how it used to be. I remember playing on a private server a year before classic launched and it was totally different. The chat was full people invited you causually into a group to do quests and later you would add them to your friendslist. There was always someone to play with.

    I went back to Classic when it launched and leveling was much like it was in vanilla so it's not just the people. Some of it is, of course but some is influenced by design. In classic, combat tags were personal. If you tagged a mob, I would not get credit for helping to kill it if I wasn't in your group. People could be selfish and not invite, but they'd then see others doing the same thing... so people tended to invite when we were both doing a Kill X Mobs quest or a Kill Elite quest.

    By contrast, retail is a faction tag system. As long as it's tagged by your faction, you can get credit for just damaging it. That system makes a lot of sense in terms of efficiency - I was in Ardenweald doing a quest where I needed to clear an area to fill a bar... and I would just pull tons of mobs to myself and some others in the area and we'd all AOE them down. But we weren't in a group and didnt need to be.

    This is just one example of how game design influences the community. I don't need to invite people to a group for that kind of quest, so I don't.

  9. #89
    Quote Originally Posted by Simple Rick View Post
    It kinda boggles my mind people think of wow as a single player game. It would be a rather mediocre one if it was.
    I disagree with that. It's one of the best singleplayer games out there. Why? There's a practically infinite amount of things to do, even aside from the stuff that needs a group, i.e. alts, WQs, roleplaying, mog/mount collection, crafting, the economy, just, you know, exploring and enjoying the world. Different strokes for different folks. There's no need to be competitive at all if you don't want to be.

  10. #90
    Its become a "multiplayer, if you are in a guild" kind of game. Guilds have become sort of gate communities to avoid the wider playerbase with a more curated and controlled stable of people to play with. The cost naturally came to the "world" of warcraft basically being a treadmill to endgame instances. World Quests have obviously helped to a degree but whats done is done.
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  11. #91
    Quote Originally Posted by oldgeezer View Post
    I disagree with that. It's one of the best singleplayer games out there. Why? There's a practically infinite amount of things to do, even aside from the stuff that needs a group, i.e. alts, WQs, roleplaying, mog/mount collection, crafting, the economy, just, you know, exploring and enjoying the world. Different strokes for different folks. There's no need to be competitive at all if you don't want to be.
    I guess. I would just run out of things to do rather quickly. While wow is vast its pretty shallow in terms of difficulty.

  12. #92
    Quote Originally Posted by NabyBro View Post
    Stop this bs already.

    To the second part: you literally said nothing.
    Eh, speaking of saying nothing.

    Blah blah blah blah if it has been proven then where is the proof? At this point I do not really give a shit about your personal opinions or experiences. Put up, you know the rest.
    The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.

  13. #93
    As others mentioned, it's mostly social via guildmates. The world is less punishing for solo play with shared tagging and gathering nodes. Almost any class could solo well whereas, in Classic, every warrior I met during the launch was throwing party invites as their lives depended on it.

    Overall, it can be a single-player game if you want. But, the content you can complete entirely solo is extremely limited compared to group content. If you want to socialize in WoW, find an active guild that meets your playstyle.
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  14. #94
    Seems like the only ones who think the game lost its social side are the ones who don't even bother to look for it.

  15. #95
    Quote Originally Posted by Afrospinach View Post
    Eh, speaking of saying nothing.

    Blah blah blah blah if it has been proven then where is the proof? At this point I do not really give a shit about your personal opinions or experiences. Put up, you know the rest.
    My "personal opinion" is how the game is played today.
    I pug more than enough to know.

    I can guarantee you are one of the '10 y old sticker' people who don't even play the game.
    Your contribution to anything here is null.

  16. #96
    Quote Originally Posted by VoidSeeker199X View Post
    I'm currently leveling a new character after I quit mid Legion and just reached level 40 the other day. In these 40 levels I had zero interactions with other players and saw maybe one other player in the zone I was in. The world chat is dead and all you see in trade chat is people spaming their boost adverts. This can hardly be called an MMO anymore. Now you could say: "Just play Classic then". And I tried that and it's even worse. Good luck finding people that are willing to do quests or run a dungeon normally. What has happend that the game became so asocial?
    It can also be purely multiplayer if you want to.

    I tend to level almost exclusively via BGs and Dungeons. Multiplayer content only

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    Yes, it has been like this since 2016 (Legion).

  18. #98
    Quote Originally Posted by VoidSeeker199X View Post
    I'm currently leveling a new character after I quit mid Legion and just reached level 40 the other day. In these 40 levels I had zero interactions with other players and saw maybe one other player in the zone I was in. The world chat is dead and all you see in trade chat is people spaming their boost adverts. This can hardly be called an MMO anymore. Now you could say: "Just play Classic then". And I tried that and it's even worse. Good luck finding people that are willing to do quests or run a dungeon normally. What has happend that the game became so asocial?
    The communication moved from the open world to guilds and the pug scene.
    There is no reason to linger in the leveling zones as they have not impact on anything and you blaze through them like nothing.

    Wow is endgame focused. Not leveling focused. 3/4 of the players have all theri characters they want on at least 50 allready.

    You will see more people in the current packs zones. But that is not new. It has been that way since BC where you had no reason to even go to the old world except kara.

    If you want a game that is more focused on the levelingprocess i would recommend ESO. Swotor is even worse with meeting others and FF14 is... well basically wow but weeby.

  19. #99
    Quote Originally Posted by otaXephon View Post
    There's a non-insignificant portion of the playerbase on this forum who think that dungeons should have NPCs instead of players so they can continue living out their single player MMORPG fantasy. That said, there's plenty of human interaction in modern WoW if you seek it. I've made a number of friends just PuGing M+. Sometimes I'll go on twitch and find people with low viewcounts and offer to join their groups.
    To be fair, I would not mind AI characters (done well ofc!) to fill spots for auto-grouping after some time. Both for PvE and PvP, IF a long queue means more players needed. Who wouldn't mind lower q times?

    But the AI has to be good enough to not bother you and I think it's not there yet. Isles AI was okay but pretty bad imo. It played decently but just had no heart if that makes sense.
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  20. #100
    Quote Originally Posted by VoidSeeker199X View Post
    I'm currently leveling a new character after I quit mid Legion and just reached level 40 the other day. In these 40 levels I had zero interactions with other players and saw maybe one other player in the zone I was in. The world chat is dead and all you see in trade chat is people spaming their boost adverts. This can hardly be called an MMO anymore. Now you could say: "Just play Classic then". And I tried that and it's even worse. Good luck finding people that are willing to do quests or run a dungeon normally. What has happend that the game became so asocial?
    Leveling is pretty much single player.

    You will have plenty of social interactions at max level if you want to.

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